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Based Upon the Unbendable Laws of Mathematics, Silver is Oversold

According to the proprietary algorithms of The PPT, ZSL is OVERBOUGHT. Therefore, as a result, silver is indubitably OVERSOLD. Today’s technical score of 3.76 is the highest score ever recorded in PPT history. The track record is virtually flawless. In the 10 previous OVERBOUGHT condition of ZSL, is fell 10 times for an average loss of 16.66% over a 10 trading day time frame. Over a 5 day time frame, the algo was correct 9 of 10 times, as ZSL retraced, on average, by 10.65%.

My favorite silver stock, due to beta, is AG. However, EXK is worth a gander. To play the metal directly, AGQ and PSLV should get the job done.

On a separate note, TSO reported great numbers and should buoy the refiner space tomorrow. Again, out of all of the refiners, I am expecting WNR to post the best numbers, due to the locality of their refineries. Understand the entire complex has been taken down, alongside a number of high profile commodity names. The sell off has not been specific to the refiners. When the bounce comes, people will buy up cheap names. In my opinion, the refiners offer excellent risk/reward profile, providing demand destruction doesn’t emerge, as gasoline sustains $4.00.

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72 comments

  1. drummerboy

    guess we’ll see tomorrow.

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  2. charlie

    For the record, PPT/12631 members have already put a plan involving this data into motion, hours ago.

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  3. Bullish

    How can EXK not destroy earnings given record silver prices? Guess we will find out tomorrow. Thats one wild stock though.

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  4. johnny2time

    Endless margin raises are becoming priced in, a retrace to $45 is guaranteed.

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  5. rookie

    silver futures swings are too rich for my blood.. but i bought some gold at 1510 today. we should bounce from here. euro mtg tonight so i think we may wake up to some nice gap ups if all goes to plan…

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  6. JakeGint

    Jake is out tonight… but the Goonch speaks, largely in agreement with Mister Fly.

    _______________

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  7. Trading Nymph

    Never fails…if I have Green across in all my positions the next day is all red for me.For Silver, if Jean Claude hits to raising rates in June then Fly will get his rally. (Nymph translation, the Head of the ECB makes a speech/press conf after their Rate Meeting, they won’t raise but may use language to indicate a rate hike as soon as June, Euros will be bought and Dollar sold…commodiity trade back on…buy silver).

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    • Trading Nymph

      OMG…the CLAM is speaking tomorrow, one hour after ecb….per schedule..Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke will be giving speech to the Chicago Fed’s Annual Conference on Bank Structure and Competition in Chicago

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  8. WNR is a Looser
    WNR is a Looser

    Earnings will be good tomorrow. You should see a 5% move upwards, but the time to sell this thing for good will be next week.

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  9. Thomas

    Speaking hypothetically, if Silver had gone up even more significantly would there ever come a point where the ZSL (Ultra Short Silver) go to zero? Or become a penny stock? Since they are inverses of each other. Just wondering.

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  10. pitbull

    the Evil Empire would just raise the debt Ceiling on zsl QQQ
    Nymph right !! but here in US we have these intial claims and “shit on yourself Non farm pat-off’s !
    expect mo all green /red sister

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  11. pitbull

    silver .gold bounce’s and short main indexes ,again!….! as it will lead the way down ..just like it did up !
    where slv goes so do stock ! ..
    30 yr bond ,,watch it !
    all focus on the debt limit again, watch !!

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  12. Diamond Dave

    So now you’re catching falling knives…..FIT (Fly is TOXIC)

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  13. Minsky moment

    What are the chances that that was the top in price and volume for SLV? Extraordinary run up in both. Up leg has three defined increasingly steep slopes. How many run ups have more? Also the amount of discussion on silver on these pages suggests a top. Disclosure no positions in SLV, just jealous.

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    • go2mars

      Slim to none.

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      • go2mars

        Well, assuming the SLV specifically is viable (which it is not). SLV is very different than the PSLV Fly suggested. SLV = paper silver scam , PSLV = they actually own it all and you can take physical possession of it if you want. SLV is encumbered which is to say not yours even if there is any silver.

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  14. Mick

    wnr MISSED …not good

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    • xxxHuggieBearxxx
      xxxHuggieBearxxx

      Today WNR will deliver the deathblow.

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      • Mick

        could get ugly… best margins going and they still drop ball … wow

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        • Mick

          1.8 billion in revenue and they only net 12 million …wtf

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          • Mick

            on a positive they did beat on revenue with a 30 day shutdown

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    • Quiet Storm

      Seeking alpha said it beat Est. by .13c.

      # Thursday 6:38 AM Western Refining (WNR): Q1 EPS of $0.17 beats by $0.13. Revenue of $1.83B (-4% Y/Y) beats by $0.18B. Shares -1.55 premarket. (PR)
      Comment!
      [Earnings, Energy]

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      • Kenny Fucking Powers
        Kenny Fucking Powers

        6:08AM Western Refining misses by $0.13, beats on revs (WNR) 15.33 : Reports Q1 (Mar) earnings of $0.17 per share, $0.13 worse than the Thomson Reuters consensus of $0.30; revenues fell 4.0% year/year to $1.84 bln vs the $1.66 bln consensus.

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        • jorge mann

          this fucking WNR don’t make no money no matter what the crack spread is …

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      • Wilco

        My thesis is that the oil men will not let these skyrocketing oil prices pass them by with regards to american reserves.If anything they will do what they can to get oil to $150 or higher,to cash in on the massive Alaska/Colorado fields. I know it will be a wild ride but I’m going with my energy trades.

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  15. Martin

    Is your WNR looking good this morning?

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    • jorge mann

      my WNR is shrinking down to a little more than a couple of inches, not looking too good

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  16. razorsedge

    1/3 drop in profit, but 16% increase in sales, did they buy something? give out free gas? loan money to lenny dykstra

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  17. flyyousonofabitch
    flyyousonofabitch

    i lost my on ass your unlubed wnr

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  18. flyyousonofabitch
    flyyousonofabitch

    i lost my ass on your unlubed wnr

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  19. Spy007

    No worries shit happens
    No one wins 100% of the time

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  20. J. Livermore

    Single worse decision I have ever made. Eliminates me from the game for quite awhile. GLTA. WNR a bad joke.

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  21. J. Livermore

    Based Upon the Unbendable Laws of Mathematics, WNR is Overbought!

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  22. Mick

    with 20+ fly posts about the greatness of wnr it appears that alot of people on this board fell in love with wnr a little too much… guess I picked a bad day to quit smoking…

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  23. Mick

    if wnr can not beat with spreads at historic highs then they have major problems

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  24. J. Livermore

    Looks like the shorts were right all along!

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  25. hitter

    one week ago the fly wished us all a happy easter with a completely gratuitous piece of blasphemy toward christians. a great sell fly signal in retrospect. his claims this week on vclk profits vs shld losses and if i read this post correctly, his claim that he is out of all refiners seem incredulous.

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    • J. Livermore

      You misunderstood the post!

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      • hitter

        You are correct. Fly and followers get a full dose of stock market reality today

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  26. J

    Perhaps I’m being a little silly, but if a firm closes down it’s operations for a month for maintenance doesn’t that have an effect on earnings? Were the analysts results taking that into account?

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    • razorsedge

      yep, n the earnings sucked

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      • J

        Anyone look at the report? Revenues were less than 2010 same quarter while cost of goods were also a little higher in 2010. WTF is going on? It’s like the oil price hike just passed them buy and they are still working with $80 buck oil. Don’t get it.
        1 2011 1 2010
        Net sales (1) $ 1,839,588 $ 1,915,395
        Operating costs and expenses:
        Cost of products sold (exclusive of depreciation and amortization) (1) 1,612,727 1,765,460

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        • Spooky

          2011 qtr had 30 less days

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          • Mick

            revenues less than 2010 because they close yorktown refinery… reveues were good not sure why earnings were so bad with great spreads

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    • William The Conqueror
      William The Conqueror

      If any company determines an unexpected event would have a material effect on estimated quarterly earnings then the company should release a statement to revise their quarterly forecast. Never assume analysts are proactive. That being said, my favorite and only open refining trade HOC beat by 0.20.

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  27. Spooky

    WNR – $12 mil income and $36 mil in hedging losses. Fucking pussies could not ride the spread. HOC great qtr though.

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    • J. Livermore

      So is everyone dumping their WNR at the open?

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      • prospectus

        I’m going to let things shake out a bit first

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      • Mike

        cant…got to hold for now and wait for next Q..accumulate more if Im going to hold…….thats my plan

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  28. prospectus

    And that’s why I hedged. Ironically, I will make more money if this thing tanks to $10 than if it goes to $18. But with the likely range over the next few weeks, it looks like a loss for me.

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  29. WTF

    Fucking assholes! They are supposed to run the operations and let investors/traders handle the hedging.

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    • jorge mann

      WTF, that is why WNR sucks … and they are taking my balls with them …

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    • WTF

      Apparently the retards expected negative spreads and hedged accordingly.

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  30. jorge mann

    I am surprise this POS is not lower than 14 …

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  31. Quint

    I’ve got a tough time getting so bearish on this market because oil and PMs are selling off. This should be a good thing for our consumer driven economy. Rotation to retail, tech and financials seems to be occurring which is always a little bumpy.

    Maybe it’s because I don’t have any energy or commodity stocks, although WNR at $14 looks very interesting.

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  32. theedge111

    Fly

    Throw your PPT out the window during corrections.

    Jobless claims were horrific today as they neared 500k. The ponzi style algos are not good trading in this environment. The economy is starting to tank.

    Time to play defense. Your gains are amazing the last few years. Sock them away and be thankful.

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