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Fuck Commercial RE

There is no way on God’s green earth commercial RE companies will keep their share prices intact. Quite honestly, as opposed to outright lying, it makes me sick to see Vornado Realty Trust [[VNO]] , SL Green Realty Corp. [[SLG]] , Simon Property Group, Inc [[SPG]] and Boston Properties, Inc. [[BXP]] so rich in value.

Their market caps deserve to be sliced in half, as their tenants file for bankruptcy and their lines of credit dry up.

As always, getting long [[SRS]] , sub $85, is a great idea.

Oil is entirely done. I really have no interest in trying to bottom fish commodities anymore. In retrospect, I was wrong. Time to move on.

The banks are doing great, based upon news of nothing. And, tech is getting punched in the scrotum by Zeus.

Right now, I am too busy to even think straight. I’ll get back to you fuckers later, with an idea or two.

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45 comments

  1. DPeezy

    Looks like the ‘goose stepping to $25’ call on C will come true, pre-bailout even! That’s some crazy shit.

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  2. Donny

    Donny has reached trading NIRVANA! GO DIG!

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  3. Juice

    Comm RE will be toast sooner or later. How its currently levitated, I have no idea. I totally hate SRS though. I’ll short the individual companies.

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  4. Ol' Jack Burton

    The Gubmint Boys are lovin’ oil and commodities getting a King Kong-style ass-whoopin’.

    Any speculation whether the no-short rule gets extended manana?

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  5. Juice

    CCL & RCL experiencing technical bounces. Should they get near 24 & 37, fire away.

    I don’t imagine cruises will be doing much business during a global recession, consumer led recession, credit crisis, depression or the unthinkable armageddon.

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  6. kidstock

    Cramer’s headling on his latest missive “Tech: All Talk, No Profit”

    I vote that he adopt that slogan for the theme for his Action Alert Portfolio — “All Talk, No Profit!”

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  7. Karl Marx

    Fly,

    Why do you not use options?

    I lost bottle on Monday AM and sold my C calls for a loss of commission…had I waited until now I would have had an easy double, and tomorrow who knows what.

    But why the avoidance on options?

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  8. Anton Cigur

    kid,
    Better yet, “All Loss, No Profit.”

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  9. jackman

    letting Paulson handle the bailout is like letting AIDS patients manage a hospital. They keep infecting everything they touch.

    BUY GS,C, MS, XLF, and guess what ? USO. Oil will be the next problem area. !!!

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  10. Ray Ray

    Wrong insect boy…commercial RE companies have some of the best balance sheets out there.

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  11. G.W. Bush the Bartender
    G.W. Bush the Bartender

    Fly, if you would have held your C position, you would have banked $700k in 2 weeks.

    Also, fix your ‘BB- on negative watch’ blog. The name keeps on getting filled.

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  12. ottnott

    How could you trust a bank share price when shorting is verboten?

    Throw in mark-to-meet-my-bonus-targets balance sheets, and you have a near certainty that the share prices will build up some air pockets.

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  13. Dinosaur Trader

    Fly,

    Take a week off man. You’ve had a great year and owe nothing to no one.

    Fuck the third-tier.

    -DT

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  14. Buckeye Bob

    As Jeff the bald headed fetal position says… Trade the market you have, not the one you want

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  15. Karl Marx

    Fly –
    How can oil be done with the USD about to get crushed when the Senate puts us in receivership??

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  16. Akebono

    JPM — a few points away from taking out the April ’08 and April ’07 highs.

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  17. CubsRock

    Karl, never mind what The Fly says today. Always go from his original plan, the plan that always works.

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  18. No One

    Yeah, Fly, where tha fuck’s my Nothing?

    __________

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  19. morpheus

    fly..heres an idea or two…go fishin..BUT dont go FLY fishing..cause then you would be gone..and that and the world as we all know it would cease to exist

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  20. JakeGint

    Fly,

    Did you see VMC today?

    your pal,

    Jake

    ___

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  21. MVIS getting jiggy
    long: AVAV

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  22. Ol' Jack Burton

    Answering my own question – Kass thinks the SEC will announce an extension to the no-short rule.

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  23. Donny

    This is fucking egregious people, fucking sick!

    I enjoyed the ride on DUG this morning, then I jumped off that train (which was headed back to hell), and paid for nice trip on the DIG train. 🙂

    Fuck Yes … better than sex. Fuck Yes … better than 150 mph.

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  24. ottnott

    The SEC, Treasury, and Fed have eliminated investing. With the absurd amounts of Fed liquidity and Treasury guarantees and with all the rule changes, everything is speculative.

    The Beanie Babies market is more transparent right now.

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  25. Satan

    Don’t think I’ve forgotten about our deal, Donny.

    Don’t think it for one second.

    *toungue flick*

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  26. The Fly

    Oh, Commercial RE have great balance sheets?

    Fuck, their goes my whole thesis, out the window.

    Heck, I’ll short them anyway and see what happens.

    VMC is worth $35 on a good day.

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  27. sniper6

    I’d short the living shit out of HBAN if I could, right now @ $19.50

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  28. Gunners

    Fly,

    Top short on your list is SLG. they are clueless right now. Commercial Real Estate hasn’t even gotten out of the bottom of the first inning. The cap rates haven’t moved up enough, the vacancy hasn’t moved up enough, and the rental rates haven’t moved down enough. all of this is coming. the idiots at SLG still think they will be immune to this. We have a long way to go…

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  29. chivasontherocks
    chivasontherocks

    Donny,

    may you reach a point in your life where you will say,

    fuck yes,–not better than sex.

    fuck yes,– not better than 150mph

    you probably will kid.

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  30. sniper6

    duh, $9.50, fat fuckin fingers

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  31. Danny

    according to my sources (VP portfolio mgt 6 bil RE portfolio)
    the reason why SRS isn’t/hasn’t been performing as well as it seems like it should is because people who need yield buy the reits.

    So in the sense that it was easy to bet against the fins when they were getting creamed, the comres have that prevailing positive that the fins never had – a yield that isn’t immediately in jeopardy.

    That’s the FYI I got when I asked how it was possible that SRS wasn’t higher from my source.

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  32. Waiting for Baseball
    Waiting for Baseball

    What’s that pissant Pisani been saying today?

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  33. sniper6

    Waiting- you wanna see baseball, me too. Long Bosox, short Angels

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  34. TraderCaddy

    The only thing I know for sure is that the cowards at TVLand took Leave It To Beaver off the air. Pass the bill or don’t pass the bill. Crash the market or don’t crash the market. I don’t care anymore. Where is Wally, Eddie,Lumpy, and the Beav?

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  35. Barney Frank, Gay Politician
    Barney Frank, Gay Politician

    is that the flush I just heard?

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  36. “The Don” – the donnymeister – the donone – the donster – is becoming perhaps too exhuberant – too excited for the Market Gods?

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  37. Ward Cleaver

    Don’t forget me and June, please.

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  38. George W. Bush, Still President
    George W. Bush, Still President

    Take it from me, Donny, hubris is a four letter word.

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  39. PharmPhucker

    Got me a Social Security Check in the mail. And stopped by and picked up my welfare check this morning, after I received my food stamps. Then my disability payment came in the mail, after my military retirement check came yesterday. And, I’m about ready to load a truck trailer with pig shit to go sell to Hank Paulson as a part of the reverse auction for bad shit. I’ll drop it off on my way to the unemployment office to get me another 5 checks since I was shit canned in my 5 former investment banking jobs with Lehman, Bear, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and AIG.

    God Bless the Gubbermint of this fine country. I’m getting phucking rich off the US taxpayer.

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  40. big snacks

    fly..

    the banks are the place to be.. hebener is 30% long.. he is rarely wrong for extended periods

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  41. big snacks

    C

    clean breakout bitches

    FLY your original thesis is correct on the market.. be long uyg and C.. just dont listen to the noise

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  42. SatanicChihuahua
    SatanicChihuahua

    Buffett is doing the same deal with GE he did with GS.

    $3 billion preferred with 100% warrant coverage, but this time the warrants are struck below market.

    What a fucking amazing deal for Buffett.

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  43. Buckeye Bob

    Something is wrong, the Buffet GE news didn’t leak out like it did for GS

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  44. JakeGint

    Anyone get some GG yesterday?

    _________

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  45. Tim

    Shut the fuck up DT. Who the hell asked you whether The Fly should take a week off. You’re implying that he’s acting weak or something.

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