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Is World War Good For Stocks? Is Curing People of Disease a Good Business Model?

I have more questions than answers this afternoon.

Sure, we’re all well aware of the military-industrial complex and how it enjoys to bully 3rd world nations with advanced weaponry, systems that are then sold to other 3rd world countries boasting actual results in actual shit hole theaters.

“Look at the kill rate on these missiles Sir.”

“Wonderful, I’ll take 300 for my country.”

War is a business and the business of war is what America does best. Even when we lose, we win. Case in point, the Vietnam war. Think about all of the money that was grifted and made by the militarists in weapons and narcotics. It was truly a thing to behold. Sure, 50,000 American souls were lost, and over a million asians, but they were collateral damage. Plus, we built monuments and made sure their families received small stipends for their troubles.

But is war bullish when you’re fighting a country who could actually sink your aircraft carrier, or say occupy Alaska and seize its oil fields?

I’m not sure. Just asking.

On the subject of curing diseases that kill people, as opposed to treatments that prolong life, miserably — ’tis is another question. Does it make good business sense?

A kind hearted analyst at Goldman asked this very question today. And he mentioned Hep C and GILD — who cured Hep C, stupidly — ruining an otherwise cash cow business.

Goldman Sachs analysts attempted to address a touchy subject for biotech companies, especially those involved in the pioneering “gene therapy” treatment: cures could be bad for business in the long run.

“Is curing patients a sustainable business model?” analysts ask in an April 10 report entitled “The Genome Revolution.”

Source: CNBC

“The potential to deliver ‘one shot cures’ is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies,” analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. “While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow.”

Richter cited Gilead Sciences’ treatments for hepatitis C, which achieved cure rates of more than 90 percent. The company’s U.S. sales for these hepatitis C treatments peaked at $12.5 billion in 2015, but have been falling ever since. Goldman estimates the U.S. sales for these treatments will be less than $4 billion this year, according to a table in the report.

“GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise.”

The analyst didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

The report suggested three potential solutions for biotech firms:

“Solution 1: Address large markets: Hemophilia is a $9-10bn WW market (hemophilia A, B), growing at ~6-7% annually.”

“Solution 2: Address disorders with high incidence: Spinal muscular atrophy (SMA) affects the cells (neurons) in the spinal cord, impacting the ability to walk, eat, or breathe.”

“Solution 3: Constant innovation and portfolio expansion: There are hundreds of inherited retinal diseases (genetics forms of blindness) … Pace of innovation will also play a role as future programs can offset the declining revenue trajectory of prior assets.”

Last question: when did you find out we were the bad guys?

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22 comments

  1. natehois

    War is bad for Retail… less people means less swag being bought. War can’t be good for Showtime, as more people watching the news means less people watching the tentacle hentai he produces at his day job.

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    • infinitezuul

      If war breaks out I am going to buy so much MAGA gear you will see me from outer space.

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  2. heckler

    What did Trump accidentally say to that reporter? Something like, “oh and you think we’re so innocent.” The Orange Bumblefoon actually stumbled into some wisdom there.

    Curing people is bad business – much better to get them hooked on drugs that never actually fix you – case in point, SSRI’s.

    Finally, War is Fucked

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  3. numbersgame

    Is it wrong to wish an uncurable disease on Wall Street analysts?

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  4. it is showtime

    2 Thousand
    4 Hundred
    2 Twenty
    7 Seven
    dow removed from the top

    11 Weeks Elapsed

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    • numbersgame

      How many DOW points and weeks elapsed since you first made your “market top” call?

      I’m a Bear and even I’m getting sick of your low-info posts. You might as well just post: “The time is 4:05 EST”

      At the very least, pretend to give us some useful info, such as when you think the DOW will hit 20k. At least Zerohedge puts some effort into their permabear calls.

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      • it is showtime

        Stop being so “patronizingly pinheaded”

        Yes I’ve had to “clock in”, to some degree, for the last few years. I’m not “going away”. That’s partly what the posts are, …dumbass…, showing I’m not “going away” Are you kidding, that I’m not offering you “value”? Is why you wanna portray horrid boredom?

        And yes to some degree I’m sticking it in your faces the last 11 weeks. I was right about endgame from June’17 to Jan’18. I was right about the impending crack. I was right about the final countdown since Feb’18.

        This is a chronicling. That means a regular inspection of predictions, progress, revision, or vindication and revelry.

        It’s about giving you motherfuckers the middle finger as much as possible. Because it was a usurped, commandeered, programmed united states stock market. And it was all. …bs

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        • tonka

          Eventually there will be a recession. Eventually there will be a true bear market. Eventually from some level we will legitimately crash.

          No one debates these things.

          The only difference between you and everyone else, is everyone else realizes timing these things is futile. We poke fun at your inability to time it. That’s it. We don’t disagree that these things will happen.

          When we inevitably crash are you more right because you yelled louder on the way up?

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        • numbersgame

          me: “I’m a Bear”
          you: ” I’m sticking it in your faces the last 11 weeks”

          I’ve realized the market is overvalued for a while. However, unlike you, I’m not going to pretend that I was long right up until the Feb Market peak and then suddenly switched positions.

          Can you point to a post where you actually named level to buy or sell a stock or index, because I’m sure I can find posts from you going back to 2016 that are bearish.

          And technically speaking, the bull market isn’t even officially ended yet, because bull markets aren’t techncially over until a confirmed bear market (-20%) starts.

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          • it is showtime

            I’m never been long.

            You want to shut your trap? As every single utterance makes you look more clueless?

            I’ve held inverse etfs for

            years

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          • fryguy15

            I just screen printed that. Fucking brilliant

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          • numbersgame

            Wow.

            If you want credit for a market top call in 2015, or whenever, then I’ll give it to you, but I don’t know if that’s the recognition that you were seeking.

            I can tell you that I was short in 2007-08, and the governement threw all it’s power (SEC, FED, Congress, FDIC, Fannie MAe, Freddie) into removing capitalism from the markets, so be prepared for rules changing (always in favor of bulls) as things get worse.

            Carry on.

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  5. infinitezuul

    This Syria nonsense is a giant conspiracy theory. Allow me to explain.

    Trump and his band of trolls [including Russian trolls, obviously] have deceived the global MSM to think that war is coming. Another Middle Eastern’d War. Here we go again. The hiring of John Bolton is part of this, and he’s in on the gag. There will be no war. We will be spending a couple billion making sure the prospect of war is believable, but Saudi Arabia is helping subsidize this so all in all it’s not a huge expense. Not that cost matters anyway.

    Onto the point. While the global MSM is engulfed in the thought of and hatred for another Middle Eastern’d War, Trump and his band of pranksters [including the necessary special forces teams] will be eradicating the Deep State’s last lines of defense. This includes DUMBs, private islands, bunkers, and bases in other countries like North Korea, Cuba, and Iran. This, of course, will need lots of explosives, possibly even tactical nukes. So to hide this commotion, they will be explained away as earthquakes.

    Here’s the hit on Epstein’s private island.

    https://stjohnsource.com/2018/04/06/5-2-magnitude-earthquake-friday-shakes-usvi-makes-waves/

    More out there if you want to Google around. Happy hunting and enjoy the fake news about war! Good theater.

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  6. sarcrilege

    Bullying 3rd world nations is one thing, being bankrupt and starting a war with Russia whose allies are Iran, China and likely N.K. is an entirely different cup of tea. This wont end well for anybody. Who is at fault? We are for letting (((traitors))) in congress control USG. As Marcus Tullius Cicero (circa 60BC) explains:

    A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
    survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
    for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the (((traitor)))
    moves amongst those within the gate freely, (((his))) sly whispers
    rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government
    itself. For the (((traitor))) appears not a traitor; he speaks in
    accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their
    arguments, (((he))) appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts
    of all men. (((He))) rots the soul of a nation, (((he))) works secretly
    and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, (((he)))
    infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A
    murderer is less to fear.

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    • wubba wubba

      You should try prunes.

      Regards

      Wubba Wubba

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      • sarcrilege

        Could you do me a huge favor and ask the busty blondie sitting beside you, by your left, to drop me a line with her bathroom selfie? Thanks, much appreciated. And put on some weight…you dont look so good,
        https://tinyurl.com/ycvsd3vy

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  7. soupbone

    Goldman is biased aka misleading
    Healthcare advancements are an evolution and don’t like to be rushed or told what to do
    Syria is desirable
    Trump is readable

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  8. cancel19

    Hurry up already with this headline risk bullshit before “sell in May and go away” kicks in! I need to make some money after the $XIV crush volatility maneuver.

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  9. ferd

    The more likely war is with Iran. The Israeli government has already killed Iranians in Syria and the Iranian Supreme Whatever has pledge revenge. If this doesn’t get things going, Israel will just keep prodding.

    No biggie one might say …let em duke it out. But how will this room full of morons and traitors respond will Israel asks your sons to die for Israeli hegemony? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KMVhb57RqI&t=62s

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    • it is showtime

      Well last April’s attempt was pretty well uncovered. Did it again.

      “There Wasn’t A Single Corpse”: Russia Claims ‘White Helmets’ Staged Syria Chemical Attack

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  10. moosh

    Who benefits from saving people’s lives rather than prolonging misery, other than actual people? It should be health insurance companies right?

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  11. moosh

    Also, anything Goldman ballsachs says is motive for easy price share accumulation or distribution, on otherwise, no news. They want the gene tech editing theme much lower to accumulate.

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