iBankCoin
18 years in Wall Street, left after finding out it was all horseshit. Founder/ Master and Commander: iBankCoin, finance news and commentary from the future.
Joined Nov 10, 2007
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Be Careful Where You Point That Loaded Gun

You internet fuckers, with no professional experience in the securities industry, better be careful who you accuse of being fraudulent.  The SEC loves to go after the “little guy” aka you. All of the recent carnage being applied to the Chinese stock sector will have ramifications. Outfits like Muddy Waters and Citron Research will be sued for defamation and their trading accounts will be frozen, if it is revealed that they were working in concert to manipulate share prices. I’ve seen this happen so many times throughout my career and the ending is always the same: bad guys lose.

While it’s true, CCME may be a fraud. How the fuck should I know? They have an auditor and I read somewhere that Hank Greenberg’s firm is involved with them. I don’t know. But, there is something distinctly wrong with people selling short a shares of a thinly traded stock, in advance of a research report that will kill the share price by 30%. Trust me when I say this: if iBankCoin affected the share prices of stocks we talk about, I’d NEVER mention a stock again. I’d be scared to mention anything, if it resulted in 30% moves.

Message to Citron, Muddy Waters and people of that ilk: retain legal counsel.

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51 comments

  1. Jacob

    first

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  2. TraderCaddy

    Muddy Waters in Hoochie Coochie Man.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4A6xx65WU

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  3. retox

    Fuck it – just call Citron Research admin contact 1-707-996-9498 or stop by and ask for Larry http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15512273/171-West-Spain-Street-Sonoma-CA/

    And Muddywatersresearch.com: http://seekingalpha.com/article/219172-orient-paper-and-the-unfortunate-shady-corners-of-wall-street

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  4. Fly

    Scamsters

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  5. GYSC

    Serious question,
    How much could they make vs how much to lose in these stocks on a report like this?

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  6. punyandy

    Can I change my stock of the year pick, please?

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  7. Nom Chompsky

    Similarly, Ben “The Bearded Clam” Bernanke likes to go after your “little guy”.

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  8. TraderCaddy

    Prediction: Mubarak will be in flight on a US Gov’t. plane by the time recess is over at the Egyptian mosques tomorrow.

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  9. Donovan

    Did you really register a copyright for “Fuck You, You’re Dead”?

    Now that’s funny.

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  10. panamaorange

    Manipulation?

    In a country that provides its citizens with
    “Vitamin P”, free of charge?

    Blasphemy

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/108582/20110203/china-makes-fake-rice-from-plastic-report.htm

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  11. Fly

    Plastic rice is yummy. Don’t hate

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  12. GYSC

    Question still stands.

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  13. Spooky

    Fly,
    Seriously, I had no idea about Citron. Sorry I brought it up.

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  14. Fly

    Gysc

    Your question is nonsensical. Therefore, I do not answe it.

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  15. discoordinated

    I think it might come down to whether someone at the SEC feels like makin it happen or not

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    • The Fly

      These site’s are being funded by hedge funds. They sponsor report. Build positions. Then issue report and cash in on drop.

      Tell me how that is legal?

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  16. Teahouse On The Tracks
    Teahouse On The Tracks

    Fly and members of the PPT caught on video doing some charity work for the communities youth:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MIs0sBBwBo&feature=player_embedded

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  17. JTU

    Anyone think PWER is a buying opportunity after 22% haircut after hours?

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  18. franky

    love it when you get pissed. fucking priceless.

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  19. Dr Fly

    I work hard to find ideas and make money. What these fuckers are doing is tantamount to a baseball players taking steroid, then batting .300. It’s cheating and it needs to stop.

    They can literally pick any stock and drop it by 20% on some bullshit report.

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  20. JakeGint

    As for me, I struggle even with large liquid companies covered by multiple analysts and unlikely to be subject to manipulation…

    …and I so want to believe!

    ______________

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  21. theedge111

    Waaaahhhhh!!…..The same momo/manipulation shit happens on the buy side. Look at Fannie and Freddie rising 100% despite being insolvent.

    Having a hard time feeling bad for you Fly. The baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. Stocks are priced for perfection. Trying to momo up questionable names is a losing proposition moving forward IMO.

    Carry on.

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    • bob the builder

      So by your logic, a 7 pe with 40% growth (in BORN’S case) is “priced to perfection?” No more huffing ether for you, sir. Ether is for closers!

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  22. alphadawgg

    The same guy who coined the phrase “priced to perfection”, said that about NFLX at $50.

    I actually owned NFLX in the spring of 2009 at $42 and change. Of course, I sold it shortly after some guy said it was “priced to perfection”.

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    • alphadawgg

      ….that phrase should be banned.

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      • theedge111

        Ahhh…I love emboldened bulls. They always mark a top. NFLX prcing model is about to be attacked from many angles.

        If BORN had a p/e of 7 then why was it fucked like a pig? Sorry, not buying it.

        The S&P rises 83% and you all think we go higher when real unemployment is at 16% as inflation runs wild.

        This is staggering IMO but if you idiots continue to buy then I guess we go higher for a bit before this house of cards comes tumbling down.

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        • carsony

          A wise man once said.. never be surprise how high or low a stock can go…Play your hand and hope your right… short term what if the market falls…. will it continue? that is why short term trading is for the birds, long term trading is for the bulls.

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        • Bob the Builder

          NFLX up 4% to the face! Why is any stock “fucked like a pig?” Because people are shorting a thinly traded name with impunity. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. Are you one of the “idiots” that missed out on this rally? Good for you. I’m slow clapping.

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  23. Trading_Nymph

    yet some analyst get it right, check out comment in article, Stupid Copper Bubble… http://af.reuters.com/article/metalsNews/idAFL3E7D40C720110204

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  24. Frog

    True, dat.

    When I can’t sleep, it’s great to know some other folks who can’t sleep either.

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    • Trading_Nymph

      Money never sleeps…actually I find the Asian and Europe sessions more interesting. Well, not this week for Asia cuz everyone is on vacation almost…but it causes me to oversleep a lot during amature hour., but I am up before the eur/usd daily fixing for sure.

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  25. chuck bennett

    fuck all this nonsense. I am not sobbering up while I read all this shit. Not sure who, but someone pissed me off.

    perhaps its because I chased the 23 year olds off for next time. my left shoulder doesnt work cuz of some gay operation. needless to say it hurts like a 25% hair cut. and yes I sold all my pwer, I f ed around and bought a couple frb 10 calls for shits and giggles. dam I’m dumb. atleast I sold my shares,

    seee you in the funnies

    regards

    chuck

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  26. Fly

    Edge

    Idiots are the ones who lose money. There are no bulls or bears, just winners and losers.

    What are you?

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  27. Quint

    What is more important to the Bearded Clam; the Unemployment Rate, or private sector job growth?

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  28. JTU

    9% unemployment! Bull Shit!!!

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  29. retox

    bananas – out the 2nd half of my EUR short now with 172 pips

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  30. TraderCaddy

    Shades of 1999.
    JDSU up in pre- market about 23% to about 22.00.
    According to the charts it got up to $1,054 at the end of 1999.
    I wonder if that weird looking guy with the beret that used to show up on CNBC back then is still the head of the Company.

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  31. drummerboy

    while some-one,or bodies should be hunting these mother fuckers down, and while they are at it,bring down MICHEAL MILKIN one more time and for good,oh and dont forget his main cohort dr.cohen,those two MOTHERFUCKERS who are criminals have been fucking dndn for too fucking long.and it needs to end. who the fuck goes after the sec to do their godamn job anymore……..zero, nada,zip.motherfuckers we need a REAL shereef in dodge.cause were not gonna get from these assfucks.

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