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18 years in Wall Street, left after finding out it was all horseshit. Founder/ Master and Commander: iBankCoin, finance news and commentary from the future.
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Don’t Believe the Lies

Who said equities are a good hedge versus inflation, aside from my nutsack? Last I checked, the previous period of American inflation was met with a staggered stock market. It was only until Reagan put the house in order, bringing down inflation, that stocks ripped higher. Sure, you can get a little commodity upside with inflation and some stocks will do well. However, if we are talking the sort of Zimbabwe-esque inflation that many of you dick suckers are talking about, WHO THE FUCK WILL BUY STOCKS THEN?

I swear, sometimes I feel like you people are fucking morons. Oh wait, this is America and the internets; you are fucking morons.

Oh, by the way, just because I said this market is due for a severe drop doesn’t mean that I am obligated to go homo-short banks right now. See, unlike you upright walking pigs, I am cognizant to the fact that the market moves methodically. It’s a rare, but recently common spectacle, to have large percentage gain drops and pops. I will adjust my portfolios accordingly, as I deem fit.

For now, people are buying the market. Trade rationally.

UPDATE: I sold out of FAZ for a loss.

UPDATE II: I bought 10,000 SD @ $6.80

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107 comments

  1. Fly's nutsack2

    You need to go to your local business school library and do some reading.

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    • The Fly

      Oh really?

      Cite an American market that went up during periods of rapid inflation.

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      • wilmer

        Commodity related stocks beat inflation and outperformed everything but physical gold during the runaway inflation of the 70’s. Look it up.

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        • The Fly

          I said the market. Stocks will tank. These fuckers are buying all stocks, based upon inflation theories.

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          • wilmer

            Agreed

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          • Walter

            Let’s approach this a different way. You have money, fly. You need to put it somewhere. Here are your options:

            -Keep it cash (and be ravaged by 100% of the impact of inflation)
            -Put it in bonds (and be ravaged by the majority of the impact of inflation due to rising yields
            -Put it in equities (and only feel the portion of inflation that can’t be passed through to consumers)

            Not to mention, equities with market power and pricing power will trade at a multiple premium in inflationary environments.

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          • wilmer

            Do some research. T-Bills outperformed the S&P 500 during the 70’s as well.

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        • Teahouse On The Tracks
          Teahouse On The Tracks

          Seems to me the price of beef/cattle skyrocketed too .. stock up on 2 1/2″ ribeyes if it comes to pass or risk being seen at Mickey D’s for an evening out.

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      • checklist

        i think this disagreement is one of timeframe.

        Fly is right, equity markets don’t react favorable to sudden rushes of inflation.

        Nutsack is right, in the fullness of time stocks have had a very consistent (kind of amazingly) rate of increase, adjusted for inflation, meaning that eventually they get back inflation + their trend gains, making them a good long term inflation hedge.

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        • Teahouse On The Tracks
          Teahouse On The Tracks

          most companies enjoy some inflation (3-5%) as it makes pricing a cinch with paychecks rising annually but runaway only benefits commodity plays until no one can afford that ribeye or golden ring.

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          • checklist

            but wages eventually rise to match prices, not smoothly, not calmly, not without pain, but eventually.

            And even in situations where massive inflation occured (europe or japan after WW2 comes to mind as a possibility) equity markets, adjusted for inflation, eventually recovered to the basic trendline that was in place before the inflation.

            From 1800 to 2000, the us and british markets had eerily similar returns. in that time britain experienced world wars on its soil, fell from worlds ultimate power, lost reserve currency status, and i think had a currency default. The US rose to preeminent world power, became the reserve currency blah blah blah. And the markets tied.

            Over very long periods of time, equities are good inflation hedges. Sudden significant inflation, though, as you mention, causes monstrous havoc in the short run.

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          • Po Pimp

            Problem is I don’t have 200 years to let all this shit revert back to the mean.

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          • Kreizi

            Oh yeah? And how many companies made it through 1800-2000? Go ahead, home-brewed Buffett, make your picks. Check again in 2200.

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          • checklist

            Plan on holding the same stocks for 200 years do ya?

            Or do you think here and there along the way a portfolio would rotate?

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  2. Fly Leech

    Hey chartologists, is VXX looking for support or is it heading for a breakdown?

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    • shaz

      Don’t bother charting an ETN subject to contango and backwardation.

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    • DanishGUY_Mucus

      VXX is an excellent long term short. Just short it and forget.

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      • shaz

        Agreed. I’m short from $31 most recently. I’ve been playing with paired trades of short VXX and long SH (or short SPY).

        After a parabolic VIX move, often both positions will be in the black by day’s end (and as I check, right now too. VXX -1.91%, SPY -.02%)

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  3. Kreizi

    I am as cool as a fucking big green crocodile lurking in the water closely watching feasting herbivorous creatures getting intoxicated and losing attention, getting far too close to dangerous muddy waters. The more you lose your fear, the more egregious my killing on VXX’s gonna be…

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    • The Fly

      But now you are covered with oil.

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    • jg

      overconfidence kills.

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    • Teahouse On The Tracks
      Teahouse On The Tracks

      regurgitate R.W. now or pay the price for ingesting contaminated fish & fowl by ending up as inventory in a Bruno Magli shoe factory … you have been warned!

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      • Kreizi

        For some creatures greed outweighs fear. They don’t live long. Shown by nature. Proven by Darwin. Don’t be a fool falling to abyss with fiat money in hand. Indeud.

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  4. Purdy

    Volker killed inflation – not Reagan.

    And the mkt did very well during the post-9/11 GWB inflation …maybe it just does well when inflation is unreported.

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    • The Fly

      Fuck you. Respect Reagan NOW!!!

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    • The Fly

      That was not rapid inflation. Show me a period when interest rates were 20% and the market went up, dick face.

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      • Purdy

        Inflation and interest rates are two different things – they’re not related in the short run as the Bushies and the Asian savings glut taught most of us. Eat me.

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        • The Fly

          Interest rates were high to fend off double digit inflation. Don’t get cute.

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          • eradke

            The market was not as connected back then, with the derivatives that are in place we will probably never see 20% interests again. Things that have changed.

            Speed of Information.

            More people in the financial industry.

            More non-human market interaction.

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          • Teahouse On The Tracks
            Teahouse On The Tracks

            and they will be high once again when the fiat currency tanks and inflation starts to run wild but you can still proper until rates hit the maginot line, no?

            http://www.chartsrus.com/

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          • Teahouse On The Tracks
            Teahouse On The Tracks

            prosper

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      • TA

        Of course high interest rates kill the stock market

        Who is going to invest when ‘risk free’ government bonds are 13% like the 80s?
        I had a few of those, not much much money back then though

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        • weirdo jay

          no. Historically high interest rates equal high stock market. It is counter intuitive but it’s reality.
          Maybe all the inflationist fears start to die off and money piles into stocks. Look at 1979 when all that money in gold sold off. in the 80s as people sold gold stocks ripped higher even as interest rates ripped higher as well.

          When money flows into american government because interest rates are high, the corrupt politicians make sure that money goes back into the businesses that elected them. Government will borrow and spend more than they have in bonds, so it really doesn’t matter as interest rates rise, stocks do too.

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          • Teahouse On The Tracks
            Teahouse On The Tracks

            that’s in anticipation of the pending disinflation from such high rates … day following night or blue sky after storm

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        • Teahouse On The Tracks
          Teahouse On The Tracks

          word > zero coupons

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      • Cascadian

        There was only one time in history when interest rates were 20%. The market tanked then because we had stag-flation and Jimmy Carter. Crap, maybe Jimmy Carter is back. So what does well with high inflation, which necessitates high interest rates, and slow economy? Gold? Collectables? Commodities? Farms and farmers? Wait– we have no inflation and low low interest rates. Maybe this is all different.

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    • DMG

      You sound like Joey Zaza telling Michael Corleone that Anthony Meucci, NOT Alexander Graham Bell, invented the telephone.
      iow, retarded.

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  5. Yogi & Boo Boo

    It was an idea that was passed around during the 1970’s. I don’t know how popular it was as I only read about it as a little cub. I guess the interwebs are really green as they recycle everything?

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  6. cashnguns

    Reagan would kick Obama-tards ass…he is a full blown disgrace to our country..hoping for riots soon

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  7. cashnguns

    BP probably made the 20 billion by lying to public and buying puts on their own stock..more scumbags

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    • The Fly

      I’d like an oil spill on the White House lawn.

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      • cashnguns

        we have one…our president.

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        • JohnCR437

          That was a really intelligent comment. That’s why I come to this website to read brilliant commentary like this. It only underscores Le Fly’s point that the Internets are full of morons.

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          • DMG

            Here’s another one, “I pick the world up and i drop it on your effin head.”

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      • checklist

        agreed. so, so, very agreed

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  8. panamaorange

    Had a revelation yesterday. Its unsafe to swing long this market until we SEE this 90% leak capture, which has been promised for weeks. I was very bullish until 24 hours ago.

    Took an entry in VXX at 26.10, 25% portfolio allocation

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    • The Zombie

      That’s quite a switch for you, Panama. No more Dow 12K?

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      • panamaorange

        IF they cap that well 90%, yes—i’ll be bullish again. But, im losing faith.

        They’ve underestimated the spill by 2-300%. They either cap it in the next few days, or the entire gulf economy could collapse. I have no idea how to find a bullish upside to that.

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  9. tradingnymph

    I know nobody cares, but China is coming back from Vacation tonight, and they will have to digest some pretty sucky econ data that came out while they were play with their boats…could be interesting tonight whether they get all giddy over our Short Squeeze on the euro rally breaking the 200M or be really pissed off….

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    • narcolepticnymph
      narcolepticnymph

      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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    • Purdy

      I care. Keep posting. Thanks.

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    • Kreizi

      Me too, actually.

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    • Alvari40

      Me too nympho.

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler
      Mr. Cain Thaler

      China is imperative to the price of oil. Continue, as I always like to browse through your thoughts.

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      • tradingnymph

        Alvari…thanxs too…and Mr.Cain Thaler…it is an honor…and it will be very interesting w/China and Oil, last week they extended their Cash for Clunkers until Dec, it was set to end in May…..but they are still having a slower auto sales around, which makes sense w/the big drop of their markets so far.

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        • Kreizi

          Nympho, pardon me asking such an intimate question, but what is your primary source on China info? (I assume you don’t speak Mandarin). You seem to be aware of much more than floats on the surface, not on China, but markets in general. Very valuable.

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          • tradingnymph

            Kreizi,Thank you for asking, I don’t waste my time reading stupid Analyst reports…I try to get to the source to everything by using the Google Translate feature….I read thru about 15 or 20 more global papers…I also don’t read WSJ either….I have a host of Industry Related Newsletters emailed to me everyday, not the stuff wall street reads. I am just one crazy stock junkie that has a strong passion for understanding this thing that Everyone says can’t be understood but just followed…..I am new to the game, just turned 3, so I still have a lot to learn vs the pros here.

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          • Kreizi

            Such reading and connecting the dots takes a lot of time. I’m impressed. For a toddler you are definitely very developed )) Keep on!

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  10. Dirk Diggler

    Sweet little 6 lb 8oz baby jesus, I am so fucking confused right now. 60% cash, 30% long, 10% hedged. Starting to get scrambled brains. I’m going to take my ball and go home for a week after I sell RINO (thx senor T.).

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  11. IBD

    This is too much like random motion – flip a coin – I have some VXX and I am close to dumping it.

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  12. slim

    Looks like I am banking more of your coin today, Fly, as I sell more longs into strength. I purchased these longs in early June based on your PPT hybrid scores.

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t need the coin. But I do enjoy taking yours.

    I think too many people on this board are overthinking the market.

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    • iGambleCoin

      I don’t know if I would call it thinking. Seems more like overreacting.

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  13. Le Fly

    I would rather buy property with low rates than stocks, if i wasn’t a space alien magician of course.

    Vxx lt short??!! You are out of your fucking mind

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  14. Bullish

    How do you add a gravatar pic?

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    • Yogi & Boo Boo

      See where it sez: “Speak Your Mind”? at the end of the line it sez “go get a gravatar!” click on the word gravatar and knock yourself out. That is all.

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  15. jg

    testing gravatar

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    • Kreizi

      Test failed. Or maybe you’re already banned by the future police for your yet unwritten comments.

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  16. Purdy

    Advance copy of president’s 2:30 comments:

    ‘A month or so ago – a date which will live in infamy – the United States of America was suddenly and carelessly attacked by somewhere around 500 or 120,000 barrels of oil a day.

    With confidence, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will form committees and seriously consider all ideas. So help us God.

    With confidence in our armed forces, with the unbounding determination of our people, we will eventually do something unless it is politically risky.’

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  17. Barak Obama

    We go higher because I say so.

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  18. buylo

    Fly: any more outbursts from you and I will have to inisist that you ban yourself until you don’t!

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  19. Mr. President

    People are shorting VXX?
    What the…??

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    • Kreizi

      No, no. Let them do it. They probably think the real Black Swan event is when volatility becomes equal to zero.

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    • shaz

      Why is this at all surprising? Are people not allowed to have different opinions than yourself?

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      • Mr. President

        Sure, they can. Doesn’t mean I can’t LMAO @ them.

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  20. buylo

    Fly: any more outbursts from you and I will have to inisist that you ban yourself until you don’t!

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  21. chalacio

    I like SD too but ain’t buying it until russell 2000 breaks its downtrend in the 60′ minutes. It was the leader that drove us higher and is the only index lagging now.

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  22. Bullish

    23 more Dow points and we can all pack it up for the day

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  23. GLDD

    sold out my GLDD

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  24. Fly Leech

    Obama says “buy BP” ! Never fall in love with a stock and buy those you hate the most.

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  25. shaz

    Jesus Christ, it reeks of finance.yahoo.com in here today.

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  26. eradke

    There will never be risk, like there was in the 80’s, The risk is dispersed through derivatives. You can never cross the same river twice and this is an example of that.

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler
      Mr. Cain Thaler

      Crossing the same river twice is easy, actually. You just turn around when you get to the other side.

      That’s a lot of faith being placed on derivatives, to be had. Last I checked derivatives re-allocate exposure, not remove it.

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      • eradke

        Well I think that faith is based on 160+ years evidence. Yes it does re-allocate exposure so it is less risky for those issuing the loan, lower risk lower yield.

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  27. alphadawgg

    That post is some funny shit!

    The Fly rules.

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