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Tucker Carlson Asks the Question: Will the Left Refute America’s Forefathers Because They Owned Slaves?

I cannot see how the left cannot call for George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and others to be removed from the public square, libraries, museums, universities and our currency.

Since the left is out to get all racists, feverishly on the lookout for nazis and alt-right retards, ripping down statues of confederates, why not go to the source of all this racism, eh? America’s forefathers.

41 out of 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence owned slaves. Therefore, and using the same logic we’re applying to the white supremacists in the streets demanding, err, nothing, we must reject the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and America, basically.

The country is over.

Tucker Carlson lays it out perfectly. I’d like to hear from any left wingers who disagree with my train of thought and explain to me why we should revere Thomas Jefferson.

Naturally, Bill Kristol attacked Tucker for his cogent analysis. Brit Hume came to his defense.

NOTE: Earlier today, the President had it out with the media over this very topic. Here is the full showdown.

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63 comments

  1. jonnybegood2

    poor little snowflake. lost ability to day trade. 200 days post election and so few any longer give a shit about your clearly fake and transparent attempts to capitalize on the polarized election. i hear pornhub has little competition. could be your next calling. until then continue the circle jerks with your dwindling, eclectic and enlightened sycophants.

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    • Dr. Fly

      I’ve never day traded in my life, you gigantic faggot. I managed money and still do, but only my own now — thank you very much.

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      • jonnybegood2

        sad. i might be able to get you back on a trading desk. it would be tough though; you are a persona non grata and we’d probably need to put you in the basement for quite a bit.

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        • mistermoe

          This site keeps getting better and better everyday.
          Just kidding – actually it has become a haven for the unwashed and the inbred who want to worship at the altar of Trump.

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        • downtown

          you’re a fucking retard mistermoe, go jerk off one of your huffington post buddies or something.. You libs are so manipulated by the MSM you’ll never even realize it.

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    • paradox

      Fly – ban these mf’ers without any compunction or apology. They have no line of decency and decorum and only stomp on any that you show them in return. They are here to troll and to troll only – neither have addressed a single point in an article which asks some very pertinent questions, indeed. This is where the internet shows it’s evil side – a bunch of dipshits talking shit they would never say to someone face just because they feel empowered in their mother’s basement. Show them the door.

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      • The Maven

        I second that. Ban the shitlibs. Annoying douchebags.

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        • moonshot

          I disagree. The shitlibs serve our cause. They redpill more people than I do with their extremist views. Let them stay.

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  2. Cricket

    Tucker is correct, and one could sense his emotion. This is a defining moment of American history. There is no appeasing the left. This extreme polarization is going to end with mass internments of one side or another, and political purges. The conundrum is: how does one deal with such a problem and preserve the founding principles of this country? Tread carefully and choose wisely.

    A planned and orchestrated disturbance at Charlottesville has swept through American society like a Tsunami. You can be certain that the seditionists behind this event are planning bigger and deadlier programs. There are more in the pipeline.

    Let’s look at the landscape. From various sources one could say there are 300+ Jewish only groups, 190+ black separatist groups, 100+ anti-muslim groups, and hundreds more groups of various types segregated along religious, or racial, or ethnic, or ideological identity. Some might label these as hate groups, whatever that means. Under the moniker of hate, one could argue that today’s established political parties, or many of their PACs, are hate groups – such is the polarization.

    So, what of Antifa? Of all the extremist groups, they are clearly the America-haters and here is the litmus test: what better evidence of hating America than sending mobs around the country to tear down and destroy the monuments to those who dedicated their lives, risked everything, or fought, or died to established it.

    Meanwhile, has anyone noticed that the ‘so-called’ war on terrorism, that has dominated life in America for the last 15 years, drained the Treasury from foreign wars, led to TSA strip searches, civil asset forfeiture, no fly lists, and so many other egregious practices, has suddenly just evaporated?

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    • soupbone

      Just imagine, you could have been Canadians. But you took the other path to great riches.

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    • traderconfessions
      traderconfessions

      You are the Stephen A. Smith of IBC.. many words.. no sense.

      The “disturbance” was created by seditionists? My god you are a severe retard. The white nationalists.. AKA Nazi-dick suckers.. weren’t the cause of the riot? The white nationalist who drove his car into the crowd had sun in his eyes and it was just a terrible accident? Please stop embarrassing yourself..

      If you want to talk about seditionists..maybe start with Robert E.Lee. Right?

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      • moonshot

        Go ahead, pretend the Antifa & Co. we’re not armed to the teeth and violent, and that the car through the crowd was completely unprovoked.

        Anyone with eyes can see it was not one sided and that if the so-called “counter protestors” had not agitated things, it would have been a peaceful protest, even if they were spewing Neo-Nazi bullshit. Antifa and their financial sponsors wanted this, and was going to make sure there was violence. They are already saying they want to get back out on the streets for another round and are ready to violently attack any non-leftist rally, calling them racists even if they are just rallying for something completely unrelated to race like free speech.

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  3. duuude

    Meanwhile behind the huge distraction campaigns…the entire Congress…minus…2…voted to codify a cold war with…muh…Russia.

    Alex, I’ll take Financial/Military/Industrial complex for Trillion$

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  4. NotGekko

    The evil left is all about transformation. It’s why they pride themselves on the label ‘Progressives’. They feel it makes them sound so advanced, educated and upwardly mobile when the reality is the changes they impose may not sound so drastic at first. The real truth is they are all about incrementalism. Sure, they’re going after the civil war statues under the guise of ‘racism’ and don’t seem so hell bent on taking out any of our founder’s statues… yet.

    They’re aware that taking down of something greater like the Washington Monument is not something the main stream Americans have the stomach for. At least not now. The blow back would be too huge and their cause would then fail. They know they need to boil this frog much longer to attain their ultimate goals, in due time. Incrementalism will destroy our country until all of it’s laws have fallen down a slippery slope of authoritarianism forever.

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  5. bennyhill

    Learn your history folks. George Washington struggled with the idea of slavery and eventually freed his slaves at will 70 years before the Civil War even started. Confederates on the other hand were willing to go to war to protect their racist system, and lost handily.

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    • bennyhill

      Oh and Jefferson too, 60 years before the civil war when the north conquered the evil slave owners, supported freeing and training slaves and he even proposed federal laws banning slavery but it failed to pass by a single vote.

      Don’t be ignorant.

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      • slowmo

        Jefferson, of course, did not free the 600 slaves he personally “owned over his life, and still “owned” 130 when he died.

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    • bennyhill

      “I’d like to hear from any left wingers who disagree with my train of thought and explain to me why we should revere Thomas Jefferson.”

      Lolz

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  6. jacked rabbit

    The Confederate Flag was literally raised by a group of real people who actually died because they were repulsed by the idea of being American. They actually raised arms to kill Americans.

    Your line of reasoning is as straight as the line in those old Sunday Family Circus cartoons where the kid goes through the park, around the lightpole and through the neighbors’ yard. Next you will be retweeting pictures of George Washington cruising around in Bo and Luke Duke’s car.

    It must feel wonderful watching America progress without you. Holy shit, this was a great place once…Would love a ban because this feels like watching a methhead cousin take eight years to die.

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    • og

      I miss the old Fly and ibankcoin. Sigh…

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      • joshua

        Me too. Maybe the next trendy theme switch will be interesting again.

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      • Cricket

        A lot of the nonsensical comments that pop up on any Trump/Antifa material are paid to be here, I suspect. They suddenly come out in force.

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        • ironturd

          This is a ridiculous idea. These posters myself included have been reading Fly for years, half work in financial markets I imagine, this blog has always been a must-read as a market participant in my opinion. If the blog is going full political it’s going to have discontented readership choose to engage.

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          • joshua

            Always with the paid poster nonsense. Some people think differently, is all. I know when we have beliefs and “feel” a certain way, we assume we’re special. Really, most of you just sound the same, just like a left leaning blog would. You’re just used to being around a group of people that think exactly the same as you. I’m just not into that sheep mentality, so I prefer reading stuff, even if it’s nonsense that doesn’t totally fit my worldview.

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          • The Maven

            “Half work in financial markets I imagine”.

            LMAO! Most of you fucktards don’t even have a fucking job.

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          • ironturd

            Paid poster? Prove it. You’re a conspiracy theorist. Reading other points of view is not the same as labeling non-trumpfags all paid soros posters, that’s an insult to our actual professions, irl status and active political participation, dem or not. Your president is blowing up, that’s an objective analysis.

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  7. fxtradepro

    I’m one who believes in picking his battles, and I feel this is not a battle worth fighting. The removal of Confederate statues is the removal of treasonous men who attempted to succeed. Not to mention they lost the war. We don’t hang memorials in this county for losers. For that reason and that reason along (they were traitors) should the statues be removed.

    Now, The removal of Washington, Jefferson, etc, is completely absurd, yes they owned slaves, but so did nearly 100% of the world at one point or another. Men of yesteryear were barbarbous creatures. Get over it.

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    • mistermoe

      Bravo.

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    • Cricket

      Mob rule, right? Clever.

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    • ironturd

      Fully agree with this, there could be other monuments to southern heritage, other ways to honor the dead, etc. The issue and blow up over this weekend was over Trumps own response, which he is fully responsible for- equating white supremacists neonazis with the people who showed up to counter protest them, not the statue itself, and giving a national platform to racists and nazis. He appreciated david duke personally in his commentary.

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  8. red pill liberal

    This is no joke. I am from a city named for Jefferson. The same radicals who wanted to remove his statue at MU also advocate for renaming our city! According to them, anyone not willing to condemn our slave-owning forefathers is a racist bigot. This is an Orwellian whitewashing of history, which will condemn us to repeat our same mistakes again.

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  9. MAXIMUS

    wait why hasn’t anyone blamed Russia yet?

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  10. t.c.

    Of course Abraham Lincoln was also a white supremacists- he has to go too:

    I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races–that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to inter-marry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. (Lincoln-Douglas debate 1858.)

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    • Cricket

      Some ironies:

      Abraham Lincoln put in place the Emancipation Proclamation during the Civil War (1863). But it only outlawed slavery in the Confederacy, not the rest of the United States.

      Robert E Lee was against slavery. He inherited slaves by his marriage but freed them. In a letter to President Pierce, Lee wrote that “There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil.”

      Ulysses Grant owned slaves before, during and after the Civil War. In 1863 he stated: “I never was an Abolitionist, not even what could be called anti slavery”.

      Lincoln did not free the slaves. The 13th Amendment, Abolishing Slavery, was signed into force by President Andrew Johnson, born in North Carolina and resident of Tennessee – a Southerner. He was later Impeached.

      The first Jewish member of the US Congress was from Louisiana, Senator Judah Benjamin, in 1852. He later became a member of the Cabinet under Jefferson Davis. Here is what he pleaded (that was widely reprinted by abolitionists) in a New Orleans court case of 1842:

      “What is a slave? He is a human being. He has feelings and passion and intellect. His heart, like the heart of the white man, swells with love, burns with jealousy, aches with sorrow, pines under restraint and discomfort, boils with revenge, and ever cherishes the desire for liberty … Considering the character of the slave, and the peculiar passions which, generated by nature, are strengthened and stimulated by his condition, he is prone to revolt in the near future of things, and ever ready to conquer his liberty where a probable chance persons itself.”

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      • t.c.

        None of these facts matter. We must erase all history that is uncomfortable for any oppressed minority group. The Lincoln memorial must go, the Washington monument must go, and of course Mt Rushmore must go too.

        You’re a hateful racists and a white supremacist and I am very upset by your comment.

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      • doughjadank

        Holy shit dude

        Continue that letter to Pierce:
        “The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. ”

        Lee shared the views many held at the time. He held them so strongly he was willing to die fighting for the right to keep those blacks in chains, until God could sort the mess out. What a goddamn joke.

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        • t.c.

          Finally a man of great wisdom. Let’s us form an organization to remove all traces of Lee and Lincoln from this country!

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        • ironturd

          Cricket has previously made the argument that the non-nazis in Germany were the ones responsible for the Holocaust. He condemns them for not accepting this responsibility. This fits his outlook on history and political movements, where subverting historical convention with the gross selectivity of a certain concept or historical artifact, in his case he plops down some Lincoln and Lee quotes, trying to prove his point, that the confederacy fought for he rights and emancipation of slaves and the North, non-seditionists, were directly responsible for all slavery and consequent entrenched racism.

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          • Cricket

            Oh dear. If you could read and write English you would not make such assertions. I said that Hitler’s rise to power was a reaction to the left. I said nothing about the Holocaust. You brought that up.

            Are you an anti-semite or something?

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  11. gappingandyapping
    gappingandyapping

    Can we remove the MLK statues while we are at it? Also Harriet Tubman because they both trigger me into thinking about racial issues we used to have. We must erase them, also we must erase all streets that are named MLK.

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    • downtown

      It is important to note, the most easily offended are usually the most easily manipulated as well.. Soros and his deep pockets, the MSM just spoon feeding these fucking morons bullshit narratives and sending them out into the public to protest anything and everything.. Some in this country just need a good old fashioned ass whoopin!!

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      • mistermoe

        It seems that some of you are not morons because you the difference between confederate symbols and nazi symbols. Tell that to the fuckwits in VA who mixed the two.

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      • Po Pimp

        Let’s start with the morons that thought Obama was a Kenyan Muslim. How’s that manipulation thing taste now?

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  12. gappingandyapping
    gappingandyapping

    By the way does anyone find it odd that such a racist country as the USA would elect a black president?

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    • ironturd

      I would recommend a listen to the first episode of Revisionist History by Malcolm Gladwell. There is a real phenomenon by which the achievements and acceptance of one exceptional member of a discriminated group allows the rest/majority to unconsciously or consciously resume its discrimination thereafter under the guise that said discrimination has now been eliminated. All of Gladwell’s work with RH is enlightening, but this one is pertinent to your argument.

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  13. acehood

    Right, because you can’t celebrate certain aspects of these men’s legacies without implicitly or explicitly celebrating all of it? GTFO with this third grade logic. Washington and Jefferson were both deeply flawed men. Doesn’t mean they didn’t also do great things. But yes, this culture’s ‘hero worship’ fetish with the “Founders” has long been awkward at best and probably should be shelved.

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  14. MAXIMUS

    all history must be erased prior to emancipation

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  15. purdy

    Been on vaca. What happened? Did Trump launch a war? Propose killing brown people in the mid-east? …displacing, killing, maiming millions of men, women and children?

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  16. joshua

    Good thing is, I’m sure this will all clear out soon. A football player will kneel during the national anthem and everyone will have a melt down. Then a week later we can hear the same people that melted down give lectures on free speech and hearing people out. The commenters on Ibankcoin wanted Kaepernicks head, musta been a misunderstanding.

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  17. chuck bennett

    Cultural Marxism dictates you must burn down the whole society inorder to rebuild it.

    This is what they are trying to do.

    Frankfort school ideals. The sheep have no clue where they are being guided.

    Regards

    Chuck Bennett

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    • joshua

      Too many sheep, not enough thinkers. Agree. That’s why you don’t hear one original thought here in the comments section.

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  18. Po Pimp

    There is one clear difference that means everything in this stupid comparison. Washington, Jefferson, etc (Revolutionary War) won. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, etc (Civil War) lost.

    People bitching about removing Confederate statues make as much sense as if England had whipped our ass back in the 1770’s and we were protesting removal of George Washington statues in London.

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    • bennyhill

      Dumb analogy, confederates went to war to preserve slavery.

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      • Po Pimp

        So you are saying the statues should stay up because they fought for slavery? Talk about dumb.

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  19. Po Pimp

    Fly, you are better than this. I expect this kind of nonsense from that zeropointnow lunatic, not you kind sir.

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