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THE CIA MOVES TO INVALIDATE U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS BY BLAMING RUSSIAN HACKING

It’s happening. After careful analysis of all the media punditry and the ‘leaks’ coming out from the CIA, I can only conclude that there is a concerted effort taking place to invalidate the U.S. elections, in an effort to unseat Donald Trump.

Last night the Washington Post reported a leak from inside the CIA, saying they had a report that showed evidence that Russia hacked the elections in order to elect Donald Trump. They’re being very specific about that point. Pay attention.

Source: Reuters
The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help President-elect Donald Trump win the White House, and not just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, the Washington Post reported on Friday.

Citing U.S. officials briefed on the matter, the Post said intelligence agencies had identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, to WikiLeaks.

The officials described the individuals as people known to the intelligence community who were part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and reduce Clinton’s chances of winning the election.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” the Post quoted a senior U.S. official as saying. “That’s the consensus view.”

The Post said the official had been briefed on an intelligence presentation made by the Central Intelligence Agency to key U.S. senators behind closed-doors last week.

The CIA, in what the Post said was a secret assessment, cited a growing body of evidence from multiple sources. Briefers told the senators it was now “quite clear” that electing Trump was Russia’s goal, the Post quoted officials as saying on condition of anonymity.

In October, the U.S. government formally accused Russia of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organizations ahead of the Nov. 8 presidential election.

President Barack Obama has said he warned Russian President Vladimir Putin about consequences for the attacks. But Russian officials have denied all accusations of interference in the U.S. election.

A CIA spokeswoman said the agency had no comment on the report.

In response to the Washpo article, the Trump campaign issued the following statement.

“These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” Trump’s representatives said in a statement attributed to the transition team. “The election ended a long time ago … It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again.'”

Bob Baer, former CIA and current ‘Hunting Hitler’ shill, said in an interview today that if the evidence regarding Russia hacking the elections are true, then the only logical thing to do is to hold new elections.

‘If the evidence is there, I don’t see any other way than to vote again.’

Bear in mind, this is all in response to the Wikileaks revelations about the abject corruptness of both the DNC and the Hillary Clinton camp, via the Podesta emails. Instead of offering an explanation for their egregious actions, the elite cadre inside of the Clinton camp have instead gone on the offensive to blame the messenger.

The media is running with this story with long strides, not only suggesting that Russia hacked the elections, but also saying Trump was — in fact — a ‘witting asset’ of Moscow. What’s next, an arrest order for Trump and his campaign staff for being covert Russian spies?

This nation was attacked by a cyber warfare operation.’

Whatever happened to the smug certainty that the elections wouldn’t be rigged? I suppose what Obama meant was they wouldn’t be rigged had Hillary won, yes?

Paul Joseph Watson offers some valuable insight, in regards to the naked hypocrisy of America’s ruling elite.

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110 comments

  1. moosh

    House of saud is pissed. Good thing they can’t hack into the CIA.

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  2. jts5362

    Thank you mother Russia for saving the United States of America. God bless you

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    • frog

      I think there are a few of us who are not eager to bow down to “Mother Russia” somehow. Each to their own way.

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      • The Maven

        Thanking, not bowing down. Bowing down is what Oblablah does to the Saudi King.

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    • frog

      Gee, what a marvelous coincidence that the U.S.’s best interests coincide exactly with what Russia wants us to do. Very very unlikely.

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  3. zeropointnow

    This is insane. My guess is the CIA has shared some very convincing looking diagrams to members of congress, with IP addresses and servers and technical shit they won’t understand or have the time / ability to verify. It feels like this is about to get very ugly.

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    • skulduggery

      The author claims I have deep hatred for the Hilda-beast and that deep hatred makes me invent conspiracy theories. Hillary has enough legit shenanigans to write a thousand stories.

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      • frog

        Yes, Hillary has enough legit shenanigans to write a thousand stories– according to fake news. According to real life, she is not a perfect person, nor was she a perfect candidate. But she was the most qualified individual ever to run for the presidency.

        No, you don’t have deep hatred for HRC, You just make her name into the name of an animal, treating her as subhuman. No hatred there, huh?

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        • The Maven

          “Most qualified ever”. LOL. Washington, Jefferson, Madison…I could go on….

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        • frog

          She would have been at least equal in quality to Washington or Jefferson. And she’s certainly tons more qualified than DT.

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          • cancel19

            LMFAO! There is no blinder “person” than the one that doesn’t want to see!

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        • infinitezuul

          frog – I think you are a Republican operative being paid to make Dems looks dumb and reactionary.

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    • heckler

      I’ll have a “pizza” with extra “pepperoni”

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  4. skulduggery

    I don’t follow. Even if they provided information it’s up to others what they do with it. Also the judgement could easily be that the information was helpful.

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  5. skulduggery

    The problem would be disinformation. The Left really wants their argument to be that the truth came out about our candidate and she lost? Seems they’ve agreed she’s horrible.

    This has to be with Republican encouragement. They want the outsider out, then?

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    • frog

      The fake news misinterpreted every single line of every email that was leaked, and jumped to unsubstantiated conclusions about illegal activities. The emails leaks just gave raw material to the fake news outlets– and made sure that media never focused on Hillary’s policies or on the issues or on how much more she would have been the Savior of the working class and middle class, than DT will likely be.

      I am still trying to give him a chance to see what he can do. But his cabinet picks are not very encouraging on the score.

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      • hattery

        Denial is the first stage of loss & grief. (“Not my president”)
        Anger is the second (protests)
        Bargaining is the third (recounts)
        Depression is the 4th (crying about fake news and Russians)
        Acceptance is next.

        Best of luck.

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        • The Maven

          It is the effects of a constant bombardment from CNN.

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        • frog

          Well, everyone is denying what kind of president DT is going to be– especially those who elected him. And plenty of us are going to have tons of trouble accepting the things he is likely to do, if his cabinet is any indication.

          I am trying to give him a chance, to see if he can do anything constructive. But I can’t say that I see signs that he will.

          At least Dems may go through stages and have more than one emotion. Trump supporters seem to just have one emotion, anger, and one behavior: bashing Dems before, during and after the elections.

          Good luck bashing and blaming Dems now that Dems have no power in government. Whatever problems happen these next 4 years are going to rest squarely on the shoulders of Republicans.

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        • zeropointnow

          Well put Hattery.

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    • franky

      Yeah. Some outsider. His cabinet picks are out of a horror story.

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      • cancel19

        Yea, pragmatism does intellectually throw off the idealist.

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      • frog

        Franky, no kidding there. Crony capitalist welfare queen billionaire cabinet is what he has.

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  6. cancel19

    I guess the Russians are also responsible for the House, Senate, and more Governors going Republican too? LOL

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    • frog

      No, that is election machine fraud and fake news that are responsible for that.

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      • The Maven

        EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

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        • frog

          No everything is a conspiracy. That’s Trump’s line. But some things are. See my list of articles about election machine fraud possibilities further down this thread.

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  7. LP

    Oh, lawd. They’re wheeling out a Zapruder? Who gives a crap what this guy has to say; his father is in the right place at the right time dozens of years ago.

    Losers are trying EVERYTHING they can thin of to see what sticks – demonstrations and riots with slogans, shills leading donations for recounts, hacking conspiracies. Never looking inward, of course. I hope they give up soon, wondering how far the puppeteers will go…

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  8. uglyflint

    UnCivil War

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  9. juice

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KeC790Rkas

    Sheikh Imran Hosein ABOUT Donald Trump elected US president

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  10. ericbakerbruce

    Funny thing is I didn’t read one leaked email and really could’ve cared less. I was voting for Trump (or even Cruz, or Bush or Carson, etc. etc.) from day one. Nothing could’ve changed my mind. I guess I’m just a pu$$y grabbing, racist white male.

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  11. dragun

    sooo add another 1000pts to the mkt if election results over turned?

    or fall into a black hole because we look like a banana republic?

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  12. juice

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

    Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
    “I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.
    “If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.
    “America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

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  13. stockslueth

    Our government has lied to the American people over many years about many things. At this point I need absolute irrefutable proof.

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    • frog

      Did you need absolute irrefutable proof before you believed all the HIllary scandals?

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      • stockslueth

        That’s another subject entirely.

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        • frog

          Not really. You are talking about needing absolute proof. If this only applies to accusations against your own tribal leader, and does not apply to others, then it is certainly not fair-minded. Just tribal emotional irrational stuff in that case..

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  14. traderconfessions

    Nothing new here. Anyone who isn’t a Trump cuckpot has to be blind not to see a disturbing Trump/Russia relationship. Goes back before the election and to Manafort before he was booted. Just a coincidence that many of his cabinet picks have strong Russia relationships? The only reason that Tillerson will be nominated as SOS is his Russian connection.

    I predicted that Trump will be in handcuffs before Hillary and I might be right. Let the Trumpies continue to bash the CIA so they leak a damning document. This is going to be epic. The American people aren’t stupid and they are patriotic unlike the cuckpot lemmings.

    Trump knew all along that the CIA and NSA had damning info on him and his associates so he went on the attack early against them. It won’t end up well for him or our country, which of course he doesn’t give a shit about.

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    • juice

      the essence of Fake News … innuendo + speculation + allegory + flag waving + outright lies .. all in lieu of evidence

      all worth having a nuclear holocaust over

      brainless moron

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      • frog

        Of course it isn’t. But is it worth becoming a Russian territory, and us all having to learn to speak Russian within the year? If we give Russia control over the U.S., why do you think that would have a good outcome?

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        • zeropointnow

          Really Frog? Rewind the VHS and stop watching Red Dawn. Even Colin Powell said Russia has no desire for war.

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        • frog

          Please give me a citation for that quote. If he did say it, I would like to know when, and the context.

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        • zeropointnow

          Frog, see here from Colin Powell’s leaked emails.

          http://imgur.com/Q9dqorZ

          http://imgur.com/Z2JaZKz

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        • zeropointnow

          Frog – update. Colin Powell did not say that, my apologies. It was advisor TO Colin Powell Harlan Ullman – said July 1, 2016.

          http://dcleaks.com/emails/lpowel861/html/JulAug2016/00002069.html

          Powell’s response, however, was also illuminating:

          Step One, if I were around, would be to not go nuts just because the Baltic
          States are forever paranoid and want “reassurance.” Also, don’t let
          Poland and the others con us into placing bases and missiles on their
          ground (lots of money.)

          Putin has the better argument on the need for deterence. He is not
          countermarching platoons up and down the Fulday Gap. NATO has even
          identified a new gap they need to protect.

          —-

          Powell also says in the same email chain to:

          http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/06/28/483734866/russias-ex-spy-chief-shares-opinions-of-his-american-counterparts

          ‘Read the concluding paragraphs carefully.”

          [Who would have imagined it, a generation ago: A Soviet spymaster talking tradecraft, with an American reporter not even born when he began stealing secrets for the KGB. And then the two of us shaking hands and going our separate ways, into the Moscow evening.]

          To which Harlan says:
          “is this a surprise re Trubnikov?

          And Powell Responds:
          “Not at all. If it the observation about our intelligence that is interesting, not the source.”

          Conclusion: Powell does not see Russia as an enemy anymore.

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    • 'merica

      Fake comment.

      The CIA lost their credibility yet keeps digging their hole. They don’t want to believe it, but they lost their ability to influence the ideas of the people. The Internet is the reason for this, not the Russians. The greatest invention since the wheel.

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  15. ironbird

    All of this hysterical horseshit proves one huge fact. The only thing that really matters. Trump is for real. America first is not a scam. They shot Reagan.

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  16. traderconfessions

    You cuckpots were focusing on Podesta when the real conspiracy was Trump/Putin. Forget about the election.. you don’t see anything suspicious about Russia’s activity? It’s OK for a foreign country to fuck with our political system? Man, that’s very Neville Chamberlain of you.

    The evidence is coming. But you will deny it anyway as some CIA conspiracy. Nobody is tossing A-bombs. But expect some interesting revelations about Putin to emerge as payback. Trump is doomed if he keeps playing in Putin’s quicksand.

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    • ironbird

      What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know. Read a fucking history book dude. Without a doubt you know nothing of how the world really works. Past or present. Please do tell how exactly Russia is our sworn enemy? Just one detail of any actual knowledge or even pathetic libtard theory would suffice.

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      • frog

        Gosh, when you insult people by labeling them “libtards”, they don’t want to talk to you or respond to your comments. Gosh, do you ever wonder why people don’t love being insulted repeatedly? I know it makes you feel powerful and that’s why you do it. But it also pushes other people away from you.

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    • stockslueth

      What has America become that its election can be influenced by outside forces? Wait…..Is America some kind of banana republic?

      I’m not justifying the hack in any way but let’s also not forget that the hack revealed some real shameful and embarrassing information about the way the leaders of the Democratic party conduct themselves and how poorly represented we truly are. It’s nothing new really but technology is making it much harder to get away with it. I look forward to better representation and more honest politicians. It’s getting much harder to keep us ignorant.

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      • ironbird

        The libtards need a banana republic to survive. A functioning society does not need millions of bloodsuckers living off its carcass. This is all horseshit meant to baffle the herd and it stopped working awhile ago. They have no third act other than real chaos. We will see.

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      • frog

        “I look forward to better representation and more honest politicians.”

        Well, it is very unlikely that that can happen, because only one party has their information leaked. The other one looks great just because nothing about their side was leaked– even though in reality Republicans are far worse and are in bed with Russia.

        What you can look forward to is being robbed blind and harmed in numerous ways by Republicans, and the Russians they are in bed with.

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    • bubba12631

      I’ve heard this argument before:

      Dude cheats on his wife, wife finds love letters in his desk drawer, confronts him at thanksgiving dinner in front of everyone, throwing the letters on the table.

      His response: you had no right to go thru my drawer.

      Problem: Nobody gives a shit. Moot fucking point, bro.

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    • Dr. Fly

      Serious question trader:

      What sort of America do you imagine waking up to the day after the take election from Trump and give to Hillary?

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      • frog

        They can’t do that by a re-vote. Americans are so ignorant that they would vote for Trump all over again. And even if they didn’t, the voting machines are fraudulently programmed to elect Republicans.

        The only way to do it is through the electoral college. And that won’t happen because the electoral college reps in Red States are die hard Republicans who literally would never vote for a Dem to save their lives.

        We’ll end up keeping Trump. But anyone can see by his cabinet picks, that he is not the Savior of the working class and middle class that he advertised himself as.

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    • LP

      Releasing information isn’t really fucking with our elections IMO. More info means more informed decisions. Didn’t ensure anyone would do y when they saw x.

      And again, nobody likes her, not sure why that isn’t acknowledged. I mean, Obama destroyed her in the primaries for the same reason… as well as his own charm of course.

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      • cancel19

        LP plus a million! You state the obvious but the butt hurt snowflakes can’t take it.

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      • frog

        This is a reply to LP. I won’t reply any more to someone who insults me like cancel19 does.

        Releasing info about emails constantly gave the fake news people things to constantly misinterpret in order to make HRC look bad. And that is what they did. The fake news didn’t report just what the emails said. They constantly jumped to unsubstantiated false conclusions. Those conclusions are most of what they reported– not the actual content of the emails themselves. So, yes people did dislike HRC and decide not to vote for her, because of lies spread about her, based on misinterpretations of the emails.

        Also, her positive messages on her policies never got out to the people, because the media obsessed over her emails. She had a lot more programs to help the working class and the poor than DT did. But no one ever found out about those because the emails kept getting leaked and focused on.

        I definitely acknowledge that many people disliked HRC. The reason is because the Right Wing fake news press has bashed the Clinton family 24/7/365 for decades now. They bashed Bill Clinton for consensual sex and then let the next president get away with starting a war based on lies about WMD– because the next pres was a Republican.

        People assumed that the reason the Clintons were bashed was because they were evil. It wasn’t. It was because the Republicans had no ethics. So they just bashed the Clintons, and lied about them, or made mountains out of mole hills, because they wanted to decrease the power of the Dems and increase the power of the GOP. And they sure did.

        And the nation will be paying for that for years to come.

        Study: Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, gets the most negative media coverage
        http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders

        Four FBI Facts Prove there Is No Email Scandal
        http://zfacts.com/clinton-fake-email-scandal#more-7581

        The real Clinton email scandal is that a bullshit story has dominated the campaign
        If you agree with her on policy, vote with a clear conscience about the server.
        http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13500018/clinton-email-scandal-bullshit

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        • bubba12631

          Some light reading for such a fine Clinton family apologist… don’t run with scissors:

          There is a long gory history of Clinton “enemies” meeting untimely ends. For example:
          1 – James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
          2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
          3 – Vince Foster – Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
          4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
          5 – C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
          6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992… Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor.”
          7- Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
          8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
          9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
          10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
          11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
          12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
          13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
          14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.( RULED AS A LIKELY SUICIDE)
          15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
          16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
          17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
          18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death.
          19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.
          20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
          21- Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
          22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
          23 – Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
          24 – Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
          25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
          26- Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
          27 – Kevin Ives and Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Laer reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
          THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
          28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.
          29 – Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988 (PROBABLY ALSO A SUICIDE)
          30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
          31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
          33 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes.”( THAT MAY ALSO HAVE BEEN A SUICIDE)
          34 – Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
          35 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

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  17. bubba12631

    Inherently illogical.

    If a second vote were to yield the same result as the original, you could invalidate the second (and any and all subsequent votes) on the exact same grounds, with zero additional evidence.

    It’s completely illogical.

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  18. skulduggery

    “The evidence is coming?” Good. I’ll know whom to thank for being the invesigative reporter we sorely needed.

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  19. soupbone

    Youse are having a Sunday tantrum. You can’t trade and the fam is driving you crazy. This is a nothing thing. The election is over.

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  20. heckler

    This cyber shit is real. Have you guys seen Zero Days that stuxnet documentary? Basically says we used a worm to try and implode an Iranian nuclear plant.

    Anyway a couple of thoughts:

    I don’t think the CIA is purporting to say that the Russian hack job resulted in Trump’s being elected. Just that it happened. And it seems like that’s where people disagree? You think it didn’t happen? I told you this was Russia from fly’s first DNC Wikileaks post.

    Also, let’s get real. The majority of us aren’t sophisticated enough and/or would not spend the time to understand the “proof” even if it was presented. That would require an understanding of science (albeit computer science) and math. People are far too ravenous and have too much foaming from their mouths for that.

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    • frog

      True. Good points all.

      Without Wikileaks releasing what Russia hacked, Trump still might have been elected. Plenty of factors were responsible for Trump’s election– rage at the establishment voters, Comey’s & the FBI’s substantial help, the fake news, and the electronic voting machine fraud, most or all of which is in Red states, fraudulently giving election to Republicans by adding votes to their totals and subtracting them from Dem totals.

      OTOH, the election was close, and HRC won the popular vote by a a couple of million. So without the Russian hacked material, it is actually possible that Trump might have lost. But no one knows for sure.

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  21. cancel19

    All you deranged libtards tell me why it couldn’t have been a traitor or a mole at the DNC that leaked.

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    • frog

      You didn’t really think any liberals would answer your question, after you’ve doubly insulted us, did you? I know it makes you feel powerful to insult others. But it dies push others away from you.

      Seventy something percent of people didn’t vote for Trump, either because they didn’t vote, or they voted for someone else. You might need to cooperate with the rest of us some time, to work toward common goals. It would help if you treated us fairly rather than insulting us.

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      • cancel19

        You libtards have taken intolerance and insulting to the highest levels! So why can’t I do the same?

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      • cancel19

        BTW notice how you deflected and not honestly address my original question.

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        • frog

          Of course not. I told you that no one wants to answer your questions when you call them names. That still stands.

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          • cancel19

            No answer is the answer! You are rhetorically better then that. Ignore the ad hominem bait and focus on the real issue. Defend your cause.

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    • frog

      No. I don’t want to reward you for insulting people. We have too much insulting of people. If you want me to respect you enough to respond to your question, then respect me.

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  22. heckler

    I would wager that Russia has operatives posing as users on many American websites as well. Why wouldn’t they. Countries have whole armies devoted to this now. And with H. Clinton and the all the Neofucks from both sides obviously signaling they were interested in further increasing tensions (war) with Russia…

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    • moosh

      Of course it goes both ways. Why is Russia banning Microsoft?

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      • heckler

        It surely goes both ways. Welcome to the new battlefield. Everyone commenting on this site – these are the front lines. It’s time to stop acting like a bunch of butt-hurt fools trying to out cuck each other and starting thinking like Americans.

        Fly, you have the power here – post something constructive to the whole.

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        • ironbird

          That is all The Fly has been posting. You need to do some drugs dude. Cheer up.

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        • heckler

          Off to do some drugs. Developing… 🙂

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        • heckler

          Frog came back with a vengeance too, eh? 😉

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        • frog

          Fly is running a web site and wants traffic. Attention is money. Conflict and anger and fear get attention. Fake news gets tons of attention.

          Sometimes inspiration and constructive things garner attention– but rarely. That is a lot harder to do, even when it is possible, and most people can’t do it.

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        • heckler

          I agree with that. Remember when you used to be able to go all day without having “heard the news?”

          I wonder if it’s even possible to make America great again now that it’s 24/7 shilling from all directions. But that pays. And my Internet date had a mustache and my team is losing… so here I am.

          Anyway if Fly wants to be a news site I just wish he would make a play on the ball instead of reacting to everything and trying to start start fights. He’s smart enough to be original and still get the views.

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        • frog

          Slug fests are all well and good, in some areas of life. But some of us notice that we seem to be on the verge of a civil war, as Fly says– and that Americans can’t seem to cooperate for constructive common goals– literally can’t do so to save their lives.

          And we notice that we are very very easily divided and conquered by powerful elites– even though we may disagree as to who those elites are, and which party is dominated by those elites the most. Some of us, who would like to see our nation get greater through working together toward common constructive goals, see this as a problem.

          Some folks think that making the nation great or greater is all about electing one magic person– a billionaire business man who can do it all by himself. Some others of us think that that is highly unlikely– especially when the guy’s cabinet is full of crony capitalist welfare queen billionaires.

          And then there is the fact that Congress makes the laws. So we would do well to notice what they are doing. Because due to the Citizens United ruling and other factors, it is legal for crony capitalists to bribe Congressional candidates to legislate, or prevent legislation, that favors them and screws over everyone else. And of course they have been doing this big time.

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  23. frog

    That’s the unfortunate nature of the world we live in, Heckler. Where are the modern day Shakespeares, Faulkners, and Hemingways? They’re running fake news sites or spurring on various kinds of conflict on the Internet. Why? Because that’s the main way that writers can get paid and make a living in the modern world.

    Capitalism intensifies that kind of thing. That’s why I was for Bernie and prefer a blend of capitalism together with socialism. The “pure” form of capitalism inevitably ends up causing monopolies or at least oligopolies. And then those few businesses that remain, can purchase the government, thus increasing their ability to screw over consumers, air breathers, water drinkers, and food eaters– that is, everyone. So that “pure” capitalism inevitably leads to crony capitalism, with everyone being screwed except a few businesses.

    It happens quite easily, even in a democracy. Because news quickly becomes an oligopoly, as it is now. So feeding people fake news and propaganda 24/7/365, and getting them to believe it. is a piece of cake.

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    • heckler

      I would only add that I’m not sure there’s ever been a time in America when acquiring good, honest information didn’t require actively seeking it out. Peaks and valleys, and it seems to me we’re in a valley now. Hopefully bottoming.

      But this has been my favorite site since 2008. And Fly has the flourish and the relish. And OA’s made me a lot of money 🙂 And I know Fly’s a good family man. He’s from the streets and he’s put on a ski mask and laid his balls out across the kitchen knife more than once. He’s capable, we just need to show him there’s an audience.

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  24. Dr. Fly

    You should all get drunk and prepare for the civil war. Bad news for liberals: you have no guns.

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    • frog

      Some of us do.

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      • heckler

        What get drunk or have guns? Or both?

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        • frog

          Some do one. Some the other. Some both. Some neither. It may be a surprise to people on this site, but liberals are not all carbon copies of each other. E.g. Bernie voters and Hillary voters had a fair number of differences.

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        • frog

          Also, people who live in rural areas are more likely to have reasons to own a gun– and people who live in higher crime cities too– regardless of political leanings.

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    • cancel19

      Vodka Martinis is my fuel, extra Russians made me do it! LMFAO

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  25. Dr. Fly

    REMINDER: Do as you like. Bannings have been banned. I will not hold anyone accountable for their stupidity anymore.

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  26. 'merica

    What do you suppose would have happened if the RNC emails were leaked as well? What if it was discovered that these people aren’t actually members of the KKK, or devoted to Hitler’s ideologies? Put all the information out on the table.

    Fake news… It’s hilarious watching some of these news anchors say the phrase – their unease tells all. Democratic party is the Hypocrite party.

    The next election is going to be amazing.

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  27. jlabson

    It doesn’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning’s winning-
    enough said-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB-bN-RkJLM

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