These people are so delusional, so narcissistic, they are unable to accept the views of anyone else without casting aspersions.
The vice chancellor of Germany, Sigmar Gabriel, wants to offer young Britons citizenship, wildly claiming that they shouldn’t be punished by the ‘strange political elite’ in England.
I’m sorry, but wasn’t there a public referendum that was just widely in favor of exiting the EU? That’s called democratic choice, not something thrusted upon people by a so called ‘strange elite.’
Hailing from a nation who once rained bombs over residential areas of London, Vice Chancellor Sigmar believes the young Britons who voted for remain would rather be European than British, because the world is changing and they want a Europe ruled by the Bundesbank.
“They wanted to stay in Europe because they know the world is changing” and the U.K. can’t go it alone, Gabriel said in a speech to a Social Democratic Party conference in Berlin on Saturday. “So it’s a good sign that young people in Britain are smarter than their strange political elite.”
“Let us also offer it to young Britons who live in Germany, France or Italy, so they can stay EU citizens in this country,” said Gabriel, who heads the SPD, the junior partner in German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition.
Unfuckingbelievable. These people are dangerous.
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80 people just got blown to pieces in Baghdad. The Religion of Peace at work. Pretty quote tho.
Frau Merkel will lay waste to England economically worse than any WWII bombs ever could.
So perhaps Fly, you have gone over the age of 40. I remember a few years ago you had opinions about those people. From what I’ve read it is the old people in england that are for exit and the young people for the EU. Kind of like the US’s Sanders supporters are young and hopeful; hopeful that the old limp dickhead politicians will die and take their entitled friends with them.
I heard Brexit won by thousands of votes but a results from a recent poll show that now one million wish they could change their votes to remain? I’m telling you this shit is not going to happen.
You heard….
You have those voices in your head again?
I believe you might be correct. It might not happen, but that is not because that people changed there mind.
It is because tyranny is real. Hence the reason we have the 2nd amendment.
I don’t own a gun , my never own one. However it is a freedom we have to protect all of us from this tyranny. It’s not an amendment for hunting. That is a lie.
Pay attention and but aside your silly political ideals.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Once again. Mr Chuck Bennet nails it. Why is the will of the small people doubted? People need to read some history.
You forgot to include the part where he only wanted the blonde, blue-eyed, white Britons
I thought Germany was offering to do this so the people involved wouldn’t be forced by Brexit to go back to the UK? Doesn’t necessarily seem narcissistic.
Same way as lots of citizens of other European nations that are working in the UK are now facing the possibility of being expelled (eventually and unless some other arrangement is made.)
I am not a fan of the way Germany has bullied around the other EU nations, but that doesn’t mean everything they do is wrong.
They certainly can’t afford for moneyed Britons to leave in droves… Germany and the rest of Europe is so fucked that they need to do whatever they can to try prevent the inevitable.
It wasn’t a true choice though because no one had any idea what they were choosing. Just look at all the ‘wtf is the EU’ Google searches coming out of the UK post-vote.
Believing anything coming out of Silicon Valley is a mistake. Globalization is at risk. The lies and propaganda will be in overdrive. It just makes sense. If you had all your money in the scam would you allow it to be burned down? Of course not.
Classic elitism. The people are too ignorant to know what’s good for them. We should reinstall monarchs so that the enlightened can make informed decisions for the plebs.
Do you hear yourselves?
An enlightened despot would be great but very few exist. Instead democracy acts as a normalization of opinions based on the central limit theorem.
no need for me to chime in with the Herr Dr Monsieur le Fly & Monsigneur Chuck Bennett, as they speaketh pour moi
Benevolent dictatorship is inarguably the most efficient form of governing.
Majority rule is fine by me, but that doesn’t mean the majority is right. For instance, if you held a vote on climate change, 70 percent would deny it exists, and I’d prefer to accept the 99 percent of climatologists’ opinion on the matter.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” – George Carlin
Said every despot over the last thousand years.
You guys think the market has topped?
They are offering citizenships out of political correctness. What they are really trying to do is spread globalist ideology to those that can be molded. Notice they are not interested in offering citizenships to old people.
I’m beginning to come to grips with the fact that there can be no economic union exclusive of a political one.
The people that have to live with the implications of this for the longest voted overwhelmingly against it. A nation’s youth screwed over by a bunch of elderly racists.
http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-youth-voted-remain-leave-eu-brexit-referendum-stats/
fucking sad really http://time.com/4381878/brexit-generation-gap-older-younger-voters/
Racist? How is it racist to not want an unelected and corrupt Brussels to rule over UK? You people see everything as a race issue. You’re the racists. England wanted their country back. None of this is race related. Stop believing the liberal lies.
Anti-immigration sentiment among the older citizens, not shared by the younger ones, drove this vote.
Freebie,
If the English don’t want the Polish and Romanians coming over and “taking jobs”. So that means they are racist ? Do you even know what your talking about my friend. You should not listen to anyone who is trying to convince you that the English and Polish are not the same race.
This is what the immigration is about. Has nothing to do with color.
EU tells the UK who they can let in and who they can’t.
EU dictates that UK must except any European who shows up. You understand this?
Reality is, UK will be allowed to let people from their old colonies in. Kenya , Jamaica , India and so on.
Check again my friend
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Wow Fly, this shows that you have no clue what happened in Britain. The young people VASTLY voted to stay in the EU whilst the old grumpy fuckers (aka people like the fly), voted to exit. This is why the YOUNG people are being offered a chance to re-join the EU.
Understand what is happening before you comment.
Wait, let me understand Sia.
The YOUNG people are being “offered” to be Europeans and not Brits? You mean like the young people here wanting Bernie and instead getting anything but Bernie? Since when do young people know the first thing about anything? They’re fucking morons, just like you.
Check this guy out, with the all caps, wanting an onerous hegemony to rule Europe through unelected corrupt hacks. You’re a devil.
I know that Right Wing propaganda has told you a zillion times that if someone disagrees with you, they are evil, the Devil, the Anti-Christ, trying to destroy America etc. But it’s not so. People just have different opinions about what is best for Britain, or for the U.S.
Thinking it’s a good idea for young Britons to have the option of joining the EU voluntarily if they choose to do so, doesn’t make a person a Devil. And it doesn’t even mean that Sia is against Brexit. He hasn’t even mentioned whether or not he thinks the EU should exist or whether Britain would be better off staying the EU.
99% of scientists believe man made the earth hotter, who are also funded by the governments who want this agenda promoted.
My god, you people believe every fucking lie your evil liberal politican tells you.
Man did not make the earth warmer. All lies, a fucking carbon credit scam, the biggest fraud in the history of mankind.
Fly spitting fire. History is written by the Victors. If GB leaves the EU, it will be a glorious restatement of national sovereignty. If they stay, the vote will be seen in the future as the uninformed masses almost ruining the future of GB and the EU.
99% of scientists believe man made the earth hotter, who are also funded by the governments who want this agenda promoted
Now you are playing “stubborn idiot”, hopefully just as a romp.
The CO2 warming hypothesis is 120 years old. The physics behind it is as old as the universe.
The climate models are based on physics. The climate-change “skeptics” base their claims on short-term trends, unsupported claims of fraud and corruption, and a slew of erroneus claims about the instrumentation and methods used in climate science.
As Goebbels said “Say something once and it’s a lie. Say something twice and it’s a lie. Say it 1000X and it’s an eternal truth. ” Rupert Murdoch, Clear Channel Radio and the other Right Wing media outlets have said that man made global climate change is a hoax many more times that 1000X. So to most people, it seems true.
Right Wing propaganda is so effective that we have 2 GOP dominated Houses of Congress, and most governors and state legislatures are GOP dominated. And yet people hate government and are convinced that they should cast their votes against the establishment— How?– by voting for the party that already controls almost everything, LOL. You can’t ask for more effective propaganda than that.
Certain Left Wingers may be mistaken when they say that the Brexit vote was racist. But if there is any such thing as liberal propaganda, it surely is tiny and ineffective, because the Right Wing controls almost everything– all the while, whining about how the “mainstream media” is liberal biased.
Right Wing media IS the mainstream media.
You are the fucking Nazi frog. No one here is Right Wing. You are beyond forgiveness. You little frog. Are the problem.
If no one here is Right Wing, why are people constantly putting down liberals, calling us Devils, telling us things like “Everything that you don’t want to happen is going to happen. It’s called karma”– as if being a liberal is some kind of sin for which people should be punished– like you said to me recently?
If no one here is Right Wing, why do most people here who comment about politics, put down and insult liberals in a large percentage of their comments? So you’re not conservative or Right Wing? But you just hate and insult liberals constantly?
Because we can think for ourselves. What the fuck can you not comprehend. There is no label. We are free thinkers. You are a murderhole of ignorance spewed by your masters regurgitated like a slave. Wake up kid. Try it.
Frog, people are taking their time to stand against you because most of the things you write and say are both untrue and dangerous. If we were to embrace your insane progressive ideas, it would be the death of us as a people and a culture in a generation. This is ultimately the problem the difference between liberals and conservatives, liberals don’t think beyond themselves and don’t consider the future. Keynes was famous for saying “In the long run, we are all dead,” which I think captures the liberals attitude about life perfectly.
On the climate change issue, clearly their has been massive fraud coming out of the scientific community with respect to the data on Anthropogenic Global Warming. Most glaringly was this issue of Dr. Mann fake hockey stick temperature graph.
Here is the hilarious Mark Steyn on the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bARjABDqok
Your feathers get fluffed up so easily, Fly.
There are over two million UK citizens who reside in other EU countries. Some 700,000+ of those UK citizens weren’t even allowed to vote in the referendum. Almost all of those two million will be losing their EU citizenship when the UK withdraws as a member. Two million will be losing the employment, movement, and residency rights they currently enjoy.
To regain EU citizenship after UK withdrawal would ordinarily require the long process of obtaining citizenship in another EU member country. Gabriel is suggesting that Germany create a quick process to German citizenship so that Britons who want to retain EU citizenship will be able to do so.
Who said anyone wanted to rejoin the EU?
In case you have already forgotten, the topic of Sigmar Gabriel’s proposal (and my comment) was UK citizens who want to remain EU citizens.
Rejoining is a long, disruptive, and uncertain process.
Ott
My blood runs hot. I am not as cool and collected as you and your brand of smugness that permeates my computer screen like a fucking plague.
Allowing some cooling time before posting allows data and information collection to prevail over emotion.
I think, however, that your biggest problem is that you get too much of your information from sources that are deliberately trying to make you run hot.
Of course he does. American Right Wing propaganda is the most advanced and effective propaganda on earth. Rupert Murdoch makes Goebbels look like a piker, by comparison.
And the most effective way of propagandizing people is to make them “run hot”– get them so angry or scared or otherwise emotional that they can’t think clearly. It works. And it works just as well on intelligent people as it does on dumb people. IF you make someone emotional enough, they can’t think straight, no matter how high their IQ is.
I had a distant relative– an in-law of an in-law, whose widow is convinced that he died of Fox News. He watched it constantly and got all worked up from it, with his blood pressure way up. One day while ranting and raving, he just keeled over from a heart attack.
I believe that Brexit was the best thing for Britain. And I also believe that it is a generous offer by Sigmar Gabriel to offer young Britons citizenship. Because if they are living and working in Europe and want to stay, this will save them a lot of time, hassle and paperwork.
Frog
Again, how old are you?
The EU people are not about helping people.
Unless of course you believe giving native Americans whiskey and small pox covered blankets was a way of being nice.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
The new Churchill ad is awesome!
One of the greatest Americans in all of history.
Frog
I really don’t insult you as much as I should. But, really, you’re like a robot programmed to be paranoid and complain about media. No one here gives a shit about right or left wing agendas. I know they’re all the same, one giant orgy of globalist elite horseshit. Stop with the nonsense.
Ott
More than 90% of my reading with through traditional media, Bloomberg, Reuters, ap. You’re such a narcissist and condescending prick.
More than 90% of my reading with through traditional media
And most of what you write is in your area of expertise, or is opinion where I can just give a shoulder shrug if I disagree.
The global warming denial makes me sad, because you are dancing to somebody else’s tune when you do that. You don’t look good with strings attached to your limbs.
My commentary on this post was mostly to point out that there are a couple million Britons residing in the US, some for many years, who could have their lives severely disrupted by the UK withdrawal. It seemed to me that a German politician could propose to help them out without having the aim of, well, whatever evil it was you were accusing him of. To survive, the EU will be hard on the UK, certainly, but the German-citizenship proposal would also do some real good for people, if Germany decided to make it real.
Your ark and gold call was magnificent. That’s the kind of work you do when you use data and your experience and some hard thought. When you don’t combine those three things (or at least two of them), I end up looking smug and condescending to you.
couple million Britons residing in the US
Should be “in the EU”, meaning EU countries outside the UK.
lets start with the fact that I will never convince you to change your mind about how the world works and you will never convince me that your version of the world, wrought with ideals that seem nice on paper but don’t actually work in reality, then I can only deduce you’re being an agitator. Having gone through these mindless debates for years, I am keen to your way of thinking and know that the facade that you carry here, as this gentle man just trying to help others understand how the world truly works, backed up with news links written by people that agree with your train of thought, is no more benign and benevolent than a Hillary Clinton email server.
Let’s not pretend that we’re having a debate here and just stop with the pettiness. We both like to breathe air and laugh and have fun. But that’s all we can probably agree upon.
lets start with the fact that I will never convince you to change your mind about how the world works
You change my mind any time you teach me something, but that requires good data and good insight. So, I learn (change my mind) when you are talking about investment and finance, etc. When you raise the spectre of Nazi Germany, because Sigmar Gabriel wants to use EU citizenship to snag some productive Britons, I’m not impressed. When you imply that scientists find evidence of anthropogenic climate change because the government bribes them to do so, you are teaching me that you don’t know what motivates scientists, that you don’t understand the funding process, and that you have some crazy ideas about the government’s ability to act with one mind. I have long personal experience in the area, as you do in investment and finance. Like you, I will have both biases and deep knowledge about how the world works in the areas where I have experience.
you will never convince me that your version of the world, wrought with ideals that seem nice on paper but don’t actually work in reality
I’m not sure you’ve really paid attention to what I’ve posted. That’s forgivable — you don’t owe me any of your time — but it leaves you in the wrong. I start with the data, the reality. When someone comments that immigration has become a problem, because we are getting too many immigrants too fast for assimilation, I look up the numbers. The numbers guide whether or not I comment and what I have to say.
And I’m not an “ideals” guy. I want good policies — ones that have the desired positive impact at reasonable cost in terms of dollars and side effects. Ideology can inspire ideas and approaches that improve policy, but ideology itself is poor policy and rigid ideology is really bad policy. Good policy absolutely must be shaped by contact with reality.
I will continue to post as long as you allow it, and I will continue to follow your “politics only in politics posts” rule while I am here. React as you will. Make of my motives what you will.