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Soros Warns in Missive ‘EU Disintergration Irreversible’, Crisis to Rival 2008

In a rare opinion editorial, George Soros spilled out all of this thoughts from his big evil genius brain, and potential ramifications, regarding the UK’s exit from the EU.

Suprisingly, this isn’t as partisan as I expected from George. Moreover, he nailed the part that this was always about the refugee crisis. If we’re being honest here and go back in time to where this all started, it was the Arab Spring, something that was promoted and fomented by the Obama administration and Secretary Clinton. The United States created a power vacuum by removing secular strong arms, who were subsequently replaced by storms arm religious fanatics, which in turn created the crisis.

Soros is predicting doom, a crisis only comparable to the financial crisis of 2008.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision to open her country’s doors wide to refugees was an inspiring gesture, but it was not properly thought out, because it ignored the pull factor. A sudden influx of asylum-seekers disrupted people in their everyday lives across the EU.

The lack of adequate controls, moreover, created panic, affecting everyone: the local population, the authorities in charge of public safety, and the refugees themselves. It has also paved the way for the rapid rise of xenophobic anti-European parties – such as the UK Independence Party, which spearheaded the Leave campaign – as national governments and European institutions seem incapable of handling the crisis.

Now the catastrophic scenario that many feared has materialized, making the disintegration of the EU practically irreversible. Britain eventually may or may not be relatively better off than other countries by leaving the EU, but its economy and people stand to suffer significantly in the short to medium term. The pound plunged to its lowest level in more than three decades immediately after the vote, and financial markets worldwide are likely to remain in turmoil as the long, complicated process of political and economic divorce from the EU is negotiated. The consequences for the real economy will be comparable only to the financial crisis of 2007-2008.

That process is sure to be fraught with further uncertainty and political risk, because what is at stake was never only some real or imaginary advantage for Britain, but the very survival of the European project. Brexit will open the floodgates for other anti-European forces within the Union. Indeed, no sooner was the referendum’s outcome announced than France’s National Front issued a call for “Frexit,” while Dutch populist Geert Wilders promoted “Nexit.”

Moreover, the UK itself may not survive. Scotland, which voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, can be expected to make another attempt to gain its independence, and some officials in Northern Ireland, where voters also backed Remain, have already called for unification with the Republic of Ireland.

The EU’s response to Brexit could well prove to be another pitfall. European leaders, eager to deter other member states from following suit, may be in no mood to offer the UK terms – particularly concerning access to Europe’s single market – that would soften the pain of leaving. With the EU accounting for half of British trade turnover, the impact on exporters could be devastating (despite a more competitive exchange rate). And, with financial institutions relocating their operations and staff to eurozone hubs in the coming years, the City of London (and London’s housing market) will not be spared the pain.
But the implications for Europe could be far worse. Tensions among member states have reached a breaking point, not only over refugees, but also as a result of exceptional strains between creditor and debtor countries within the eurozone. At the same time, weakened leaders in France and Germany are now squarely focused on domestic problems. In Italy, a 10% fall in the stock market following the Brexit vote clearly signals the country’s vulnerability to a full-blown banking crisis – which could well bring the populist Five Star Movement, which has just won the mayoralty in Rome, to power as early as next year.
None of this bodes well for a serious program of eurozone reform, which would have to include a genuine banking union, a limited fiscal union, and much stronger mechanisms of democratic accountability. And time is not on Europe’s side, as external pressures from the likes of Turkey and Russia – both of which are exploiting the discord to their advantage – compound Europe’s internal political strife.

That is where we are today. All of Europe, including Britain, would suffer from the loss of the common market and the loss of common values that the EU was designed to protect. Yet the EU truly has broken down and ceased to satisfy its citizens’ needs and aspirations. It is heading for a disorderly disintegration that will leave Europe worse off than where it would have been had the EU not been brought into existence.

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35 comments

  1. thegametheorist
    thegametheorist

    Thanks for writing this and appreciate your foresight through this year. I have considered quitting the biz too and it’s days like yesterday that make me wonder what I’m doing with my life. As funny as your posts are, you have a real life impact on the people that follow you. Well played, Fly.

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  2. Dr. Fly

    Thanks game.

    You’re welcome to write for the site and vent. It was immensely helpful to me when managing money.

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  3. frog

    Soros is correct. Brilliant guy.

    I disagree with with the part about ” If we’re being honest here and go back in time to where this all started”, I would say this started with Bush removing Saddam. That was another place where the United States created a power vacuum by removing a strong armed dictator. Or you could go back much further than that. The Deep State under Obama and Hillary just kept on the same path that it had been on under GW Bush, except that Obama put a lot fewer boots on the ground.

    But the president and Secretary of State don’t tell the Deep State what to do. The Deep State tells everyone else what to do. That’s why it doesn’t change when presidential administrations change.

    The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow Government January 5, 2016 by Mike Lofgren
    https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Constitution-Shadow-Government/dp/0525428348/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466893287&sr=8-1&keywords=Deep+State

    The American Deep State: Wall Street, Big Oil, and the Attack on U.S. Democracy (War and Peace Library) by Peter Dale Scott
    https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1466893331&sr=8-3&keywords=Deep+State

    I do think that the EU will hang on for a few years here. And the stock market could continue to go sideways, or could go up, within that time frame.

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  4. roundwego

    Funny now that fiat is crashing soros media pictures turn from lord death to enlightened finance visionary.

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  5. t.c.

    So true about Obama, Clinton, and the Arab Spring.

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    • ottnott

      No. The Western nations weren’t interested in unleashing instability in those countries until the Genie was out of the bottle and the bottle was broken.

      Once the stabilizers (the repressive governments) lost control, the West started trying to figure out which factions and coalitions to back. There was a decided lack of factions that had a desirable combination of military ability, local political support, and friendliness to democracy and Western nations.

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      • t.c.

        Obama has been supporting Islamic take overs of secular dictators for years. He is still doing it in Syria, still arming and supporting the radical muslims there. Facts are facts, unless they get in the way of being liberal I guess.

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  6. ironbird

    Pretty crazy how the truth catches on so quickly. Lies and propaganda take decades to be believed. The cult is breaking down.

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    • frog

      Right Wing media lies constantly. The propaganda is the stuff you Right Wingers are believing.

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      • ironbird

        Listen up you bimbo. You the ultimate fartbox be the only one labeling. Stop trying kid. It makes you appear ignorant.

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  7. Dr. Fly

    This is coming from someone citing ‘DEEP GOVERNMENT’ theories. Very rich.

    Obama’s fast and furious program extended to Mexican cartels being used to arming ISIS in Syria. Naturally, it’s a conspiracy. We were so pleased when Putin decided to take out ISIS oil tankers and take the fight to them, weren’t we?

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  8. the raconteur

    Soros is talking his book. Don’t get me wrong, super kudos to him for being short the pound and long gold/silver. But…. you really think this is a big deal?

    The U.K. Is what, the fifth biggest economy? They will get new deals done that aren’t that different from their current ones. Do you think Germany will let the EU stand between its manufacturing businesses and the U.K. consumer? Maybe Brits will need to use a passport to travel to the rest of Europe. Sounds like a terrible inconvenience.

    I don’t see how this changes anything, especially in the next 12-18 months. Sure, politicians will jawbone, but they are politicians and that’s what they do.

    There’s things to be worried about, but I don’t think this is one of them. I’m buying UK cyclicals and the pound, and selling European bonds. Writing puts on stronger US businesses that sold off too like PCLN. Market probably has a bit more downside but there are some good opportunities if you look abroad, imo. Japanese railroads look interesting too.

    I can take the hits for right now. Was 50% equity exposure, will be at 60ish by end of next week. Still have some TLT but will be using it as a source of funds for new buys over the next month or two. Time to start gradually increasing equity exposure in longer term accounts.

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    • the raconteur

      Should have mentioned I got my face ripped off Friday down almost 5%. And that was with 50% equity exposure. Don’t want to come off as a know it all.

      I have to keep telling myself…

      The market is always right, even when everyone in it is wrong.

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      • ironbird

        Why is down wrong? The middle class wants a fucking cut. World Wide. Where do you think that comes from?

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        • the raconteur

          I never said down was wrong. I said using BREXIT as an excuse was wrong and that this won’t lead to a 2008-09 event like Soros is claiming.

          There’s things to be worried about but I still think this is just an incremental negative and people are overreacting.

          Currency swings killing liquidity and European bank leverage are a little worrying but we’ll see what happens I guess

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        • trumpmeister

          You’re going to be in a lot of pain when the market deep dives 1,000-1,200 pts from here. The monkey trade is a technical bounce from here. Every clown trader on WS thinks this is going to happen bc of the irrational exuberance displayed by the market for the past 4-5 months. The market has conditioned the. monkeys to think that way. However, Brexit is a game changer with consequences that aren’t fully comprehended until junior traders like you feel more pain. France, Italy, and the Netherlands are set to schedule more EU referendum in the next 12-24 months. That doesn’t mean more pressure on the British pounds like the media clowns lead you to believe. No, that is an attack on the EU in which the EURO is based on. The Euro is about to reverse momentum to the downside with .85-.90 as a target. Remember, that was where it was trading bet 2000-2002. That will mean crude correcting to $40-41 level and another upswing to the US dollar. A stronger US dollar means less profit for US multinational corporations resulting in a P/E compression.

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          • the raconteur

            I love the personal attack… very mature. Pray tell, what exactly would it mean if you knew how many years I’ve traded? If I was younger my opinion should be worth less merely because of age? Don’t ridicule me because you disagree with me. These halls are for gentlemen.

            More to the point, the EU is done as we know it but please tell me how that means we are going to have another crisis? Renegotiation terms is not a crisis.

            I don’t know if you’re talking DOW points or S&P 500 but if you’re saying the S&P is going to drop 1,000-1,200 points you’re out of your mind. If you referencing the DOW, then I agree, I think domestic markets definitely have more downside as I noted above. These are long term accounts. If we get more weakness I’ll get to lower my cost more. Im not levered and will have 40% of my book in non equities.

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        • trumpmeister

          First of all, you claim thatt your portfolio is down 5% on Friday. That’s nonsense for the fact that all the stocks on my screen from all sectors drop by 2.5-3.5%. Something is wrong with your portfolio allocation. Yes, the monkey trade right now is to buy the dip bc every traders are basing this idea on a technical bounce. We would bounce and be range bound if it’s business as usual. However, a Brexit is a moment that will change the entire financial infrastructure in Europe. I have London ibanker friends who pretty have all of their deals canned at this point. I disagree with Soros that it won’t be 2008-2009. 2008-2009 happened bc your Federal Reserve was a bear by raising interest rates into a recession. Bernanke at that time had no choice bc speculators were bidding up commodity prices despite a looming recession. High commodity prices are an attack on the influence of fiat banking system. The only way that 2008-2009 happens is if we’re starting at triple digits crude price. At this point, we will drop 1000-1200 DJX points/100-120 SPX points, and Yellen will be screaming no rate hike and more QE. Afterward, we will get price inflation and crude at $65-75 on the next peak. However, let’s make no mistake. The fuel for a blow up top on commodity prices is slowly being accumulated with all of this funny money printing. You just need 2-3 things happening at the same time and you’ll be looking at triple digits crude and a long recession again.

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          • the raconteur

            I invest internationally. My losses were only 2-3% in local terms but translated back to dollars put it at 5%. I don’t think there is anything wrong with my allocation, still up slightly YTD. Just caught on the wrong side of this but a lot of my holdings, especially in the UK, I’ve owned since at least 2014 so I’m looking at it as a good opportunity to reposition and in some cases upgrade to higher quality names.

            I agree with you on the near-term downside. If I was a trader I’d be positioned much differently. But my holding period is 2-3 years on average, I’m mandated to have a certain portion of assets in equities and it usually takes a few weeks to trade in or out of a stock so I can’t focus too much on short-term dynamics other than trying to exploit overreactions to the extent I can.

            I was surprised domestic markets weren’t down more given the carnage abroad. And even the foreign indexes mask the damage done to certain sectors.

            I also agree with you on the Fed and QE and that’s part of the reason I’m slowly increasing equity exposure, but foreign markets look much more attractive to me here than most of the US. I’m by no means all in and am leaving plenty of dry powder to buy more weakness… but as a long term manager I can’t let opportunities like this go by.

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      • roundwego

        Brits is the first domino. love how decisive they are. Boris is now PM, fuckers act quick. and the rest will follow.

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-25/brexit-first-many-dominoes-few-charts

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  9. peso trader

    You gotta serve somebody…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I11L71PD3Lw

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  10. moosh

    Stay short through a little noise is the word.

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  11. probucks

    Soros is the greatest!
    Fuck Buffett

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  12. 99 lead balloons
    99 lead balloons

    Predictions on gold? 1500 by end of summer?

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  13. mx2101

    No debate or argument being trolled here, just a comment- As I recall Mr. Soros published an essay after the Greek default that outlined a doomsday type scenario.

    And congratulations to those of you who are positioned for and profiting from current market prices.

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  14. JakeGint

    Fuck Soros. Read Jim Rogers most recent book? Guy is a fuck weasel. Not to be trusted.

    USLV.

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