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Reviewing Previous Routs in Oil

Let’s all agree that CLR represents the oil trade, as it pertains to both quality and risk, as they have operations domiciled in the reviled region of the Bakken shale. The question we have to ask ourselves is “how long with this correction in crude last and how low can these stocks go?” Our only guide is history, gentlemen. It’s all a guess. But at least with history, we can get an idea of where that rubber band of human emotion breaks.

Here are some of the more frightful one month drops in CLR, since 2008, and the returns in following two months afterwards.

Jan 2010: -11.4%, Feb: +3.95%, March: +7.75%
Feb 2009: -23%, March: +33.3%, April: +10.2%
April 2013: -8%, May: +1.5%, June: +6.1%
May 2012: -18%, June: -8.5%, July: -3.9%
July 2008: -17.6%, August: -12.2%, Sept: -22%
August 2010: -10.9%, Sept: +14.4%, Oct: +2.5%
August 2011: -18.5%, Sept: -13.4%, Oct: +25.3%
Sept 2014: -17.5%, Oct: -7.5%?, Nov: ?
Nov 2008: -39%, Dec: +5.9%, Jan 2009: -0.1%

As you can see, these sort of declines are not unique, but rather par for the course. I am going out on a limb here and saying 2008 type losses are out of the question. But that does’t mean we are done going lower. Every time we slid more than 15% in a given month, the following month was horrendous, sans Feb of 2009.

During May of 2012, we slid about 30% from May through July.

During August of 2011, we slid 31% before spring boarding 25% higher.

Right now, CLR is down 25% over the past two months. If I was a betting man, I’d say there is 5% down, 25% up in the name–good odds from my vantage point.

I will be averaging down if we leg down again.

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135 comments

  1. alf44

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    Eric Clapton Is Fly !!!

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  2. sethster99

    The permabull strikes again. How many times are you going to step in front of this train?

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  3. MarshalN

    Seems like cherry picking data here, how about an industry price instead?

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  4. jules

    Thank you for this post. I wonder how much of the markets growth since 2009 can be attributed to the US shale boom. That could be alarming if crude keeps going lower.

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  5. Halfbloodpope

    KWK going into BK.

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  6. Dr. Fly

    The post isn’t to foretell the future and suggest CLR can’t go lower, because it can and probably will.

    I just wanted to illuminate the fact that we’ve had drops like this before, and ultimately, it led to new all time highs.

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    • sethster99

      Hey Fly. Why not talk about the unwinding of the JPY carry trade?

      As OA has been saying, looking like 1998 all over again.

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    • Cloris Leechman

      Winter is coming.

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  7. No One

    Oil could hit 70 before it’s over.

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  8. Dr. Fly

    Notice how pessimistic everyone is now, based solely on a month of price action.

    Are there any bargain shopper left?

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    • Contrarian

      I bargain shopped today on MDR and RDS.A. This is panic selling, no facts in the way.
      Amazing to me how these blogs light up exponentially on down days.

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    • boyaj

      If Brent hits $85, I’m buying DVN. If Brent starts to slowly rise, I’m buying DVN.

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  9. UncleBuccs

    Dr Fly, not to get all biblical, but do you ever feel as though you’re casting pearls before swine?

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  10. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    I would not short anything in this space. I too will flip to Buyer here eventually. RICE is my name. Eventually worth $100.

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    • Paul Bunion

      I thought you were stepping aboard the downbound train (1929 version)?

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      • BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
        BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

        I am already short tons of stuff. Damage in this space is already immense. I was up 7.5% today. I said eventually. Depending on how this correction unfolds I could be buying rice another 25% lower. Also I would rather short companies that are overvalued trading on vapor. Energy companies have real assets.

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        • Paul Bunion

          I went back to your blog post and see I was early in putting you in the 1929 camp. Glad you did well today.

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          • BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
            BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

            Easy come easy go. Likely get my face ripped off tomorrow

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  11. larry

    The lunatics in the middle east don’t budge the price of oil much. What do you think that tells you? We’ve got no shortage of oil.

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  12. jules

    So basically we find some good names and wait until OPEC comes to a decision.

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  13. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    Good posts this week Fly.

    As for the rest of you, you guys fucking suck. It’s pathetic. My dyspeptic Grandmother shits out better content than the lot of you. As readers of the “best fucking site in the world” where the fuck do you people get off? You know this reflects poorly on you too Fly, everyone should be banned, forever, guillotine to the nose and penis, land salted, in that order, everyone. (except me).

    Take notes:

    Toast — You are, what the french refer to, a genuine connard. Way too soon for a bounce, your handle, your face and your meagre savings will prove complementary.

    Bruce Keller – you are a talisman of back luck and a card-carrying faggot. Your previous avatar, the one of your face, haunted my dreams — I dreamt of breaking your toes with a hammer like Mel Gibson in Payback. Actually, the entire dream sequence was the plot of that movie. Come to think of it, I think I just fell asleep watching Payback.

    Hello Moto — Fuck you. Fuck you 1000x times. Those commercials were terrible.

    Pelican’s Brief: Based on your infantile ramblings I must assume you are nothing more than three little boys on each others’ shoulders pretending to be an adult, a la the little rascals. Stop reading Poppa’s WSJ and make your fucking bed you sniveling little shit.

    Zuul – Fuck you. I cannot respect you unless you whisper in your pillow please daddy it hurts when you go long on the biggest up day of the year you fucking dunce FUCK YOU!

    Huggy – I wish I could flush your life away. Down 3.5% today? Learn how to manage risk you chubby little fatso.

    J. Livermore – You’re doing great. Appreciate the fine work. A+.

    Ironbird – Aside from the fact you like the movie Poltergeist, is there anyone save for that vapid Chinese copper loving bitch who is more wrong, more times than you? More wrong? Get it? More wrong?!?

    It Is Showtime – Pop quiz…it smells like prawns being cooked out of a rubber tire. You are: A.) In China B.) In Mexico C. Experiencing synesthesia while reading It Is Showtime’s commentary. Tick tock, pencils down it’s all fucking three.

    Trading Nymph – If this was *any*other*time*in*history* you would be condemned as a witch, for the heinous crimes of being a harpy nuisance. Oh, and the hexing of the crops, the stray cats, the boils about the nose and chin, the visceral tragedy that is your financial education, and the avatar of Bjork aren’t helping you either.

    Bluestar – Bluestar, Bluestar, Bluestar. What is there to say? As if being named some kind of faggy nightclub in westchester isn’t enough, you have to preach as if you know better? When you got fired for …. ummmmmmmmmm… not knowing your dick from a baby carrot in a cobb salad? (Cobb salads don’t have baby carrots you dunce that was the joke)

    Look, I’m sure there’s more where this came from. Just let the comments flow, and I will be back to critique you further.

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  14. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    This is insane

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  15. No One

    Not for another month

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  16. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    Good posts this week Fly.

    As for the rest of you, you guys fucking suck. It’s pathetic. My dyspeptic Grandmother shits out better content than the lot of you. As readers of the “best fucking site in the world” where the fuck do you people get off? You know this reflects poorly on you too Fly, everyone should be banned, forever, guillotine to the nose and penis, land salted, in that order, everyone. (except me).

    Take notes:

    Toast — You are, what the french refer to, a genuine connard. Way too soon for a bounce, your handle, your face and your meagre savings will prove complementary.

    Bruce Keller – you are a talisman of back luck and a card-carrying faggot. Your previous avatar, the one of your face, haunted my dreams — I dreamt of breaking your toes with a hammer like Mel Gibson in Payback. Actually, the entire dream sequence was the plot of that movie. Come to think of it, I think I just fell asleep watching Payback.

    Hello Moto — Fuck you. Fuck you 1000x times. Those commercials were terrible.

    Pelican’s Brief: Based on your infantile ramblings I must assume you are nothing more than three little boys on each others’ shoulders pretending to be an adult, a la the little rascals. Stop reading Poppa’s WSJ and make your fucking bed you sniveling little shit.

    Zuul – Fuck you. I cannot respect you unless you whisper in your pillow please daddy it hurts when you go long on the biggest up day of the year you fucking dunce FUCK YOU!

    Huggy – I wish I could flush your life away. Down 3.5% today? Learn how to manage risk you chubby little fatso.

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  17. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    Part II:

    J. Livermore – You’re doing great. Appreciate the fine work. A+.

    Ironbird – Aside from the fact you like the movie Poltergeist, is there anyone save for that vapid Chinese copper loving bitch who is more wrong, more times than you? More wrong? Get it? More wrong?!?

    It Is Showtime – Pop quiz…it smells like prawns being cooked out of a rubber tire. You are: A.) In China B.) In Mexico C. Experiencing synesthesia while reading It Is Showtime’s commentary. Tick tock, pencils down it’s all fucking three.

    Trading Nymph – If this was *any*other*time*in*history* you would be condemned as a witch, for the heinous crimes of being a harpy nuisance. Oh, and the hexing of the crops, the stray cats, the boils about the nose and chin, the visceral tragedy that is your financial education, and the avatar of Bjork aren’t helping you either.

    Bluestar – Bluestar, Bluestar, Bluestar. What is there to say? As if being named some kind of faggy nightclub in westchester isn’t enough, you have to preach as if you know better? When you got fired for …. ummmmmmmmmm… not knowing your dick from a baby carrot in a cobb salad? (Cobb salads don’t have baby carrots you dunce that was the joke)

    Look, I’m sure there’s more where this came from. Just let the comments flow, and I will be back to critique you further.

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  18. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    Hmm, had some moderation issues

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  19. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    Part III:

    J. Livermore – You’re doing great. Appreciate the fine work. A+.

    Ironbird – Aside from the fact you like the movie Poltergeist, is there anyone save for that vapid Chinese copper loving bitch who is more wrong, more times than you? More wrong? Get it? More wrong?!?

    It Is Showtime – Pop quiz…it smells like prawns being cooked out of a rubber tire. You are: A.) In China B.) In Mexico C. Experiencing synesthesia while reading It Is Showtime’s commentary. Tick tock, pencils down it’s all fucking three.

    Trading Nymph – If this was *any*other*time*in*history* you would be condemned as a witch, for the heinous crimes of being a harpy nuisance. Oh, and the hexing of the crops, the stray cats, the boils about the nose and chin, the visceral tragedy that is your financial education, and the avatar of Bjork aren’t helping you either.

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  20. No One

    If you are so worried buy USO and walk away. It will come back eventually. Or buy some oil futures and have it delivered to you.

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  21. Vincent Adultman
    Vincent Adultman

    Last try. Part IV:

    J. Livermore – You’re doing great. Appreciate the fine work. A+.

    Ironbird – Aside from the fact you like the movie Poltergeist, is there anyone save for that vapid Chinese copper loving bitch who is more wrong, more times than you? More wrong? Get it? More wrong?!?

    It Is Showtime – Pop quiz…it smells like prawns being cooked out of a rubber tire. You are: A.) In China B.) In Mexico C. Experiencing synesthesia while reading It Is Showtime’s commentary. Tick tock, pencils down it’s all fucking three.

    Trading Nymph – If this was *any*other*time*in*history* you would be condemned as a witch, for the heinous crimes of being a harpy nuisance. Oh, and the hexing of the crops, the stray cats, the boils about the nose and chin, the visceral tragedy that is your financial education, and the avatar of Bjork aren’t helping you either.

    Bluestar – Bluestar, Bluestar, Bluestar. What is there to say? As if being named some kind of faggy nightclub in westchester isn’t enough, you have to preach as if you know better? When you got fired for …. umm… not knowing your dick from a baby carrot in a cobb salad? (Cobb salads don’t have baby carrots you dunce that was the joke)

    Look, I’m sure there’s more where this came from. Just let the comments flow, and I will be back to critique you further.

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  22. The Wasp

    Now listen to me. Oil (CL) trades up tomorrow. Don’t doubt my words, for I sting. And remember, I am the greatest futures trader of them all.

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  23. Vincent J. Adultman, Attorney
    Vincent J. Adultman, Attorney

    I DEMAND SATISFACTION.

    J. Livermore – You’re doing great. Appreciate the fine work. A+.

    Ironbird – Aside from the fact you like the movie Poltergeist, is there anyone save for that vapid Chinese copper loving bitch who is more wrong, more times than you? More wrong? Get it? More wrong?!?

    It Is Showtime – Pop quiz…it smells like prawns being cooked out of a rubber tire. You are: A.) In China B.) In Mexico C. Experiencing synesthesia while reading It Is Showtime’s commentary. Tick tock, pencils down it’s all fucking three.

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  24. Vincent J. Adultman, Attorney
    Vincent J. Adultman, Attorney

    Continued FULL DISCLOSURE I HATE THESE PEOPLE:

    Trading Nymph – If this was *any*other*time*in*history* you would be condemned as a witch, for the heinous crime of being a harpy nuisance. Oh, and the hexing of the crops, the stray cats, the boils about the nose and chin, the visceral tragedy that is your financial education, and the avatar of Bjork aren’t helping you either.

    Bluestar – Bluestar, Bluestar, Bluestar. What is there to say? As if being named some kind of faggy nightclub in westchester isn’t enough, you have to preach as if you know better? When you got fired for …. umm… not knowing your dick from a baby carrot in a cobb salad? (Cobb salads don’t have baby carrots you dunce that was the fucking point)

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    • BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
      BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

      Preachy! Well I suppose I am come to think of it. I am never in doubt……but often wrong! As you were…Carry on!

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    • Trading_Nymph

      Not even worth my time. Yawn. Bored now with you, Be gone before I cast a spell on your tiny cock..

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  25. Vincent J. Adultman, Attorney
    Vincent J. Adultman, Attorney

    n summation of the heresy that is your commentary: I’m sure there’s more where this came from. Just let the comments flow, and I will be back to critique you further.

    Fly, no thanks needed for letting these poor bitches know where they stand. I am the king of the comments section, an irrelevant feif on the grande, magnificent estate of iBC. No longer shall I permit you bitches to piss on my feif, in desecreation of the Fly’s estate

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    • Paul Bunion

      It would be fief not feif, $@#!wit.

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    • JMac

      “Busy day?”, the Home Depot Floor Supervisor asked Vincent.

      “No, not really, just texting some chicks Boss.”, replied Vincent before posting the same thing on IBC nine times.

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    • Contrarian

      Days when the market shits the bed are not the days for you to stop taking your meds. Go back and find the nice men in the white coats.

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    • it is showtime

      Standup routine on the financial-advisor-postcrash circuit

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  26. Dr. Fly

    It’s almost as if they are knocking on my estate door and asking me to shit in my $100,000 toilet bowl.

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  27. alf44

    .
    … I’m confused !

    Does a Cobb Salad have baby carrots or not ?

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  28. Jesse Livermore's Ghost

    Not sure what I did to escape Vincent Adultman’s wrath.

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    • alf44

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      Vincent Adultman’s “posts” went on for so damn LONG …

      … he apparently graduated from Law School and became an Attorney !

      Sheesh !!!

      🙄
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    • it is showtime

      Youre a ghost

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  29. Indeud Abides

    Fly – what about $DSLR?

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  30. Panda Bear

    When will OPEC call a emergency meeting and close /CL limit up?

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  31. tradercaddy

    Chuckles on lawyer Vincent musings.
    Hey!
    What am I?
    Chopped liver?
    tradecaddy, esq., J.D., inactive member of the bar

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  32. tradercaddy

    I see fair value is + now.

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  33. RC

    Haha, this thread is full of win.

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  34. alf44

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    As I said the other evening …

    Every market session seems as random as a snowflake !

    Tha “bias” seems DOWN … but …

    … whothafuck knows what tomorrow brings ???

    It’s a Rock, Paper, Scissors Market !!!
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  35. it is showtime

    UCO SD adding CLR

    Gut says someone is fucking with Russia
    At least 3 such attempts this past year

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  36. Dyer440

    Fly, Vincent needs a blog- that rant was great!

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  37. levrage

    Sweet Jesus, this site is worse than my mother’s quilting circle.

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    • alf44

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      … you seem a bit too familiar with your Mother’s social life !

      Get a date !

      Get your own apartment !

      Get a clue !

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    • it is showtime

      This thread could be construed as a scene involving quilting. I see how you could have been effected

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  38. Dyer440

    I do like nat gas UNG long for the winter – waiting for it to break out of its range.

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    • boyaj

      Cramer foretold us about frac companies being valued way too high, it was almost like he called the Bakken top…

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  39. Sonny

    SPX down 4% coming off a 200% five year bull market and everyone’s thinking about something to buy. Somehow reminds me of April 2009 when everyone was looking for something to short.

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  40. xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M
    xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M

    HEY VINCENZO FATNECK, ATTORNEY AT LAW

    Next time you address me directly, make sure you address me as Sir Huggy Bear. If you do so, i’ll let your previous comments slide.

    Sleep tight in your indecent squalor there on the east coast.

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  41. xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M
    xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M

    Meanwhile EARL continues to collapse….hotdamn. This is getting real.

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  42. One-eighty

    You’d think the sudden drop in the price of crude would be a boon for other sectors. Most companies should be going up.

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  43. rahagar

    Vincent Adultman for President campaign begins tonight! LOL.

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  44. matt_bear

    I’m going all in front month spy puts tomorrow.

    Like when Billy decided to drop all his things and take on the Predator with a hunting knife.

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    • Shawn

      Excellent analogy matt_bear… you too will likely be killed soon. Or I could just bleed you real quiet.

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  45. xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M
    xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M

    I am starting to believe this is actually all about EBOLA. And if that is correct, and these modest skirmishes become more significant battles, look the fuck out. We are talking a serious world-wide recession and EARL at $40.

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    • alf44

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      Hazmat Suits are the NEW “must have” addition to your wardrobe here in the Dallas area !

      I’m wearing mine NOW … as I watch Thursday Night Football !!!

      .

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      • alf44

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        HONEY !!!

        COOK ME UP SOME “STEAK-UMMS” !!!

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        • xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M
          xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M

          ALF as far as Im concerned Dallas should already be quarantined.

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          • alf44

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            … prolly, a greater chance of being killed here by a swarm of “Africanized Bees” … than Ebola …

            … With All Due Respect !!!

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          • Bruce Keller

            I told you about the Ebola trend lines!They are the same slope as the SPY broken multiyear trend! MEETHOS

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          • test

            fuck you huggie Im in the middle of this shit with all these idiots…

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          • xxxHuggieBearxxx

            In dallas?

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          • test

            yep, ground-zero

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          • alf44

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            STFU … asshole !

            Unless you exchanged bodily fluids with the deceased victim … You ain’t @ “ground zero” !!!

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  46. Bruce Keller

    Why am I a talisman of back luck though? 🙁

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  47. wilmer

    The market sell off combined with the comments section reminds me of October 2008. Those were some great times on the blog, Herr Flykehoff.

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  48. the pirate

    I would have thought a ‘Daniel Plainview’ “ladies & Gwentleman I am an oil man” photo would be more in order for this post, but I digress…

    Cap’n Fly, Don’t you think (and I HATE this phrase), but ‘this time could be different”, IF there are political forces INTENTIONALLY manipulating the price of crude lower as a ploy to help the Saudis and bankrupt the Bakken? Just a supposition, what do you think?

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  49. Dr. fly

    Anyone find it odd that Jp Morgan reveals Russia was behind data breach then the price of oil tanked?

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    • Shawn

      Very spooky my friend.

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    • BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
      BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

      Yes there is a much higher game of chess going on that will never be reported in the MSM and the alternative media can only guess at. We are already in WWIII. It is a financial war. The Gods on mount Olympus are throwing thunderbolts at each other while us petrified humans cower in a corner worried about ebola and ISIS.

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      • juice

        even the post-fed rally (ahem, short-squeeze) was engineered by the powerful dark order secret societies to get better prices to dump merchandise and short anything and everything for the coming crash.

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      • butchbr73

        my take on this… we are getting close to $3 per gallon gas across the US… we have dipped below $3 in tennessee… whenever this occurs, something will magically happen where gas all of a sudden spikes to hurt the common folks across the good ole USofA. Get ready, this will be a fun game to watch play out.

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    • The Profit

      Conspiracy theories abound. Bill Gross is also secretly running the country from Janus.

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  50. smartestone

    from its current level of 1913, the ES has another 15 pts to fall until bottom

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