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The Decade that Destroyed the West

My thoughts about 9/11 are best represented by a post I did in 2008. I don’t mean to be insensitive to the people who lost loved ones on 9/11, but I cannot even turn on the television and attempt to watch another memorial for more than a second. This country is full of sensitive pussies, always wanting recognition for injured feelings. Our enemies laugh at us, as we allow the TSA to assault old ladies and young children at our airports. Since 9/11, this country has become one big fucking clusterfuck.

The wars we pursued were done half ass and we’ve bankrupted the world, through a myriad of retarded policies all aimed at making us “feel better.”

I was in front of the towers when the airplane struck and can vividly recall the panic, anger, and sadness that affected everyone on that day. For weeks after the attack, I could smell the stench of 9/11 from from my neighborhood in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. It was horrible; but it’s time to move on.

After a decade of national paranoia and misguided wars that bankrupted the treasury, I believe the best way we can honor the memories of those who perished is to get our heads out of our collective asses and fix America.

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158 comments

  1. TheBigRagu

    AMEN !!

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  2. Anton

    Best 9/11 commentary ever.

    Couldn’t agree more.

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  3. CDude

    Echo that 100%

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  4. the man

    I could not agree more with Fly on this.

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  5. drummerboy

    from your mouth,to god’s ears.

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  6. juice

    werd

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  7. muktukchuck

    Monsieur – had this very same discussion over breakfast here in Canukistani wine country. An elderly southern gentile lady from New Orleans expressed very similar thoughts, I believe she used the term “pussy-footers”. A gay (full homo) broker from NY was shocked.

    In any case Sir you really should partake of the Okanagan when you travel to Vancouver. Think Napa with drop dead beautiful lakes and less rain. I’ll post some pics later.

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  8. steve moseley

    let’s make ron white in charge, to paraphrase,”if you kill someone in the usa, we will kill you back”

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  9. Rago

    x10000 – post of the decade!

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  10. Hugh Hendry

    Amen

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  11. rookie

    well said, i was getting out of the bowling green station a few blocks from the wtc just as the second plane hit. just a few blocks away when they collapsed. saw people jumping – one of the most traumatic events in my life. i became an alcoholic for a year and lived in fear for a month… but then i found my big hairy amercan balls, i suggest the rest of america do the same. enough is enough already.

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  12. McFlee

    You da man Fly

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  13. dae42

    Absolutely the BEST way to honor their memories.

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  14. toptick114

    Very well stated!!

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  15. Mr Tibbs

    here here
    the media will keep jerking us off until we’re spent
    unfortunately there are always going to be a few 10’s of millions who like to be jerked off and spend what they don’t have

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  16. parasailsam

    Sad to say Al Qaeda and the Taliban achieved what they set out to do.
    I think you said it well Fly.

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    • The Fly

      Yes, but the gig is not up. We still have great resources, unlike those cave dwellers.

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      • parasailsam

        True dat, I hope we start cultivating them to the fullest.
        Problem is,as I see it, is that corps look and plan globally, not nationally.
        That just keeps eroding the good ole USA.

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  17. The Rhino

    I wholeheartedly agree that the collective majority needs to pull their heads out of their asses. However, being a veteran of said wars those fuckers needed to be punished and the wars have provided more jobs then any other institution. Suck me. Kisses.

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    • bar_code42000

      those fuckers need to be punished? for what?

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      • cheesefries

        let me provide an example for Rhino

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94CCYYh-R7E

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        • cheesefries

          another:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbwwBv07-Aw

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          • The Rhino

            Exactly, and proud I got to dish out some of the punishment. We can’t let fucktards destroy the world’s economy or terrorize it’s people.

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          • Dishobgyn

            During the same time we were the ones who supported sadamm, and rumsfield travelled to baghdad to congratulate sadamm for a job well done against iranians.

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          • Dishobgyn

            If you want i can provide you with the clip, so you can wake up. We created taliban and alqaieda, to replace the communism, to keep the world polarized and keep our citizens in fear. We, yes our government could have stopped 9/11 from happening but ….

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          • JakeGint

            These are common tropes one can pick up in a casual scan of the internets. Yes, you can provide a clip of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam, just as one can provide a clip of Obama shaking hands with the current Venezuelan dictator.

            Neither comprise a fixed “truth,” however. I would ask that you read more into the historical situations of these periods, and in particular your wrong assumptions about our “creating the Taliban and al Quaeda.” Neither are remotely the truth.

            If you recall, and it’s likely you do not, but 9/11 was preceded — by a mere two days– by the death of “our man” in Afghanistan, Ahmad Shah Massoud.

            Massoud was not Taliban, and in fact he was killed by al Queda.

            I wonder, do you even know of this man and his role in the Afghan struggle? Do you know what he was doing for us and his people at the time, two days before the attack on New York?

            It might throw a monkey wrench into some of the things you’ve decided upon here.

            I would ask that you do some study before repeating stuff you read on the internets that might fit some of your preconceived notions…

            “Keep our citizens in fear?” Seriously? Were you “in fear” prior to 911?

            Are you “in fear” now? C’mon, doc.

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          • JakeGint

            “Comment awaiting moderation?”

            We-wease Wogah!”

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          • SUBCOMANDANTE CHINCHILLLLLA!!!
            SUBCOMANDANTE CHINCHILLLLLA!!!

            Focus on the chinch.

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          • dishobgyn

            I have more knowledge of middle east than you think and I wish I could discuss them with you in a different venue, other than this back and forth postings.
            Ahamad shah massoud or the head of mujahedin’s head was delived taliban in Kabul and Osama was the one who bitched himself for taliban to the job. No one else could get close masoud but the insiders of Al qaida. it is a long story but there is more to it than what you have heard in the media and net.

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          • JakeGint

            The Muj were not al-quaeda either, and in fact not even the Taliban.

            I suggest you review The Dark Tower… even your video of Hillary blaming us makes no mention of AQ… she’s talking about the portion of the Muj that later splintered and became the radical Taliban…which was NOT the Base… a group that came out of Egyptian and Saudi roots.

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          • dishobgyn

            Al qaeda wanted to kill Masoud for months to get close to taliban and get the support of Omar. I think the killing was just temporal since the two who kille shireh panjshire AKA masoud, requested the interview about a month prior and the interview was delayed by 22 days which coincidentally occured on sept 9th.

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          • JakeGint

            Massoud was not Taliban, you dolt!

            Did you just Wikpedia that? Geezus.

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          • Mad_Scientist

            Obama was the first american president to shake hands publicly with none other than … muamar qadaffi!

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          • dishobgyn

            do you know that terrorist
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUPb-3zkh0c

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  18. ottnott

    We could have used that attitude 9 years ago, when opportunists were using the trauma and fear from 9-11 to sell the Iraq war and turn the phrase “national security” into a password for suspending fundamental Constitutional rights.

    The morning after Colin Powell’s day of shame in front of the UN was when I really began to fear for the future of our country. After a presentation of weak evidence, conclusions based on flawed logic, and claims disputed by our own nuclear scientists, he was treated as if he’d walked across water to present tablets of stone.

    So, while I greatly appreciate your current viewpoint, and I acknowledge that it is still helpful and valuable (see below for evidence of that), I fear that the bulk of the damage has been done and will be affecting us for the next several generations.

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  19. prospectus

    Yes. Righteous anger, strengthened resolve, a laser focus and iron feet, immovable from the path of good principles. Stand for something whether the rest of the world joins you or not. Spit on the haters and inspire the weak.

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  20. ahole

    Bang-on, Fly. I knew the medicine would kill the patient after 9/11. The 9/11 memorials are fucking gay, imo, and I had plenty of friends affected and two acquaintances incinerated. More people die from fucking Big Macs and jerking off while driving than 9/11… so fucking gay. The proles in this country need a good flogging, and all teen mom’s should be fucking shot.

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    • Calgary G

      No kids huh?

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      • The Rhino

        Um, fat bastards, like you, kill THEMSELVES, from eating Big Macs. Obviously one who dies from eating Big Macs does not understand managing risk. People being killed who were completely innocent and did not intentionally put themselves in that situation is a different story. I think people should get a license to have a baby, but judging from your angst it seems like your hands receive way more friction than your bed sheets. Or, perhaps Alf is currently inside/behind you?

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        • JakeGint

          Thanks. I’ve seen this “Traffic accidents kill more people than 911” before and — like Ottnott above, but for different reasons — I quail at the seeming complete lack of moral sense resident in some of our citizenry.

          Or maybe it’s just an IQ thing, I dunno.

          But for the record — someone dying from natural causes is not the same thing as that person being murdered.

          Any follow-up questions?

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  21. razorsedge

    great post.

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  22. alf44

    Nice post, Fly !

    I would just say … that if I were to just throw out the date December 7 … you would immediately think Pearl Harbor. That cowardly attack brought us into WW II. We still remember that date and we STILL pay tribute to the brave men and women who were “murdered” to this very day … more than 50 years later !

    It is hard to imagine but … more innocent people were “murdered” in the 9 / 11 attacks … than at Pearl Harbor (over 3000 vs. ~ 2500 @ PH).

    I guess what I’m saying is that … BOTH were horrendous unprovoked attacks on our own soil in which thousands were “murdered”. A military response and retaliation was a given. Seeing the video of those planes flying into the WTC Towers STILL fills me
    with a combination of anger and sadness and STILL brings a tear to my eye.

    Remembering those that lost their lives on those dates
    is an honorable thing to do and is what helps to make
    this country … even with all it’s current issues … the greatest country on the planet !

    God Bless America !!!

    .

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  23. mike

    Me Dear Fly,
    I agree completely with what you’ve written.
    I was living in Western Canada on 9-11. My wife & I were depressed for months afterward.
    We’re both New Yorkers (Brooklyn, not Manhattan). In the 60s I poured concrete @ WTC (Colonial Sand & Stone).
    I, too, can’t watch any of the memorial stuff, although some of Mark Haines comments from that fateful day was well worth hearing replayed yesterday on CNBC.
    Sadly, the last administration ruined the country. Racism and political ideology have created a polarized, hostile climate in which nothing meaningful get done while the perpetrators of the financial crisis get a chance to do it again.
    Jimmy Rogers made a wise move.

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    • JakeGint

      Jimmy Rogers made the chickenshit self-absorbed move.

      I’m the last guy to gainsay anyone doing anything they want with their capital… this is a free country first and foremost after all…

      But Rogers — and other wealthy ex-pats like him — abandoning the country because they figure it’s unfixable, or they don’t want to deal with it’s problems, strikes me as the height of cynicism and dishonor.

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      • Jim Rogers

        Then buy fucking dollars senator.
        All capital allocation is self absorbed.
        Really Jake? The chickenshit move?
        By all means sell the skiffles and go long BAC you pseudo-patriot.

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        • JakeGint

          Are you some kind of an idiot, “Jimmy?”

          Do you really equate the health of the corrupt banking system with patriotism?

          Is going along with the weakening of our currency “patriotic,” Jimmy? Is that your “logic?”

          Let me guess, you must be one of the outstanding citizens from above that think people being butchered while sitting at their desks in the Towers is morally equivalent to their accidental death in a highway accident?

          Yes, “Jim Rogers” — leaving the country is a chicken shit move. Chicken Shit.

          Holy crap, I’m really hoping the weekend crowd is mostly foreign. The alternative is gauling (no Francais).

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      • bravo

        Speak it Jake. You are so right…They cut and ran. That’s what they did, they ran away.

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      • Po Pimp

        It’s called the free market economy. If you can get a better deal somewhere else then why not? I’m not in the same bracket as Rogers and the others but I can guarandamntee I’m better off having lived overseas for the last 8.5 years. It’s the best decision I ever made, bar none.

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        • JakeGint

          You are not Jim Rogers.

          “With great power comes great responsibility.”

          I don’t begrudge Rogers protecting his capital. I begrudge his giving up on the United States, where he carved out his opportunity.

          I hope that when you gain great wealth, Po, you will do something positive to give back. I’m also hoping some of that good will be directed back at your native land.

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      • Taco

        Jim Rogers didn’t leave America, because America wasn’t left to leave.

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    • Mad_Scientist

      Racism?

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  24. Raise taxes, Cut spending
    Raise taxes, Cut spending

    I have no problem at all with the memorials but I agree completely with the rest of your post.

    The reaction of the Bush/Cheney administration was understandable but completely wrong militarily and morally. It is time for America and Americans to get back to what they do best, making the world a better place for everyone.

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    • Cut taxes & Cut spending
      Cut taxes & Cut spending

      it’s nice to see you Monday morning QB.

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      • JakeGint

        I guess history will tell the tale, but I just don’t see Bush’s move against Iraq as a “moral wrong.” It may have been practically wrong, tactically wrong and politically wrong (esp given the fickleness of his political opposition), but I think he was working with the information he — and the Congress — had before him at the time.

        The “he knew there weren’t WMD’s” doesn’t make sense from a bad faith standpoint. Why would he not have “found” some if he KNEW there were none going in?

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        • Dishobgyn

          Because he had a job to do, and him bring a total fucking idiot did not help

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          • Cloris Leechman

            Yes, he had an important job to do: finishing reading My Pet Goat to some kindergarteners.

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          • Mad_Scientist

            No, he should have gasped in panic and made the kindergartners cry in fear. That would have been the really honorable and presidential thing to do. There are many things to criticize Bush about, but when you poke fun at this you sound like a complete jackass moron. Sorry.

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          • JakeGint

            The Left is out of bullets. History will provide a more rational analysis. I doubt it will concern itself with a children’s book.

            Reminder — Truman, at the end of his term, was universally reviled. It was the end of the Korean conflict, and he had a 21% approval rating… even after an attempted assasination AT THE WHITE HOUSE!

            Today, Truman is generally considered a top 5-10 POTUS.

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          • dishobgyn

            He was another fear monger like GWB

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          • JakeGint

            Is this more of your careful historical analyses of specific data? Why should we not call your callous commentary “fear mongering” as well?

            What’s worse? Responding — and possibly overreacting (giving you the benefit of the doubt here) — to an actual attack on our soil, or going about propogating illogical, ill-considered theories about shadowy uber-Lords, seeking to wrap the citizenry in a thrall of fear?

            I mean, listen to yourself. Look at the parcel of weak chicken parts that you’ve purchased here. It’s embarrassing.

            Do you really believe the country is “wrapped in fear?” It’s nonsensical.

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          • dishobgyn

            take a look look at terror alert level, next time when you take your shoes off at the airport or telephone conversation tapped without a court order allowed under patriot act.

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          • JakeGint

            Dish — the TSA is not being “wrapped in fear” it’s being wrapped in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

            Lefties like yourself will not use Israeli methods of examining likely suspects and therefore the entire population is forced to do a kabuki theater act like grandma is a danger.

            It’s got nothing to do with fear, but rather stupid politics.

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          • Po Pimp

            Bush I went from a 90% approval rating at the conclusion of Gulf War 1 to getting booted out of the WH in less than 2 years.

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          • Spooky

            Jake,

            “The Left” is really a straw man. Does not exist. What exists are people who disagree with you, and probably with each other too on a lot of points. It’s tiring. Please, friend…

            And I’ve been reading your posts down this thread. Can you really not acknowledge that the Iraq war was a politically-driven disaster?? Let’s be serious. Yes, all of congress, being the little p–ssies that they are, backed it. But even Star Wars the Phantom Menace can analyze why that was true. Please…

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          • JakeGint

            Get a clue, Spookster. If you back Obama, who is a leftist, you are a leftist, whether you want to admit to it or not.

            Why run from your convictions? Because of a commonly accepted label?

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          • Cloris Leechman

            I’m a moron because I think the president should have put down the book upon learning of the worst attack on US soil ever, and gotten back to his business, instead of finishing reading a book to some kindergarteners at a photo op? Who said anything about freaking out and making the kids cry? Uh…sure…whatever dude.

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          • JakeGint

            Your whole point is both irrelevant and petty. Why did you even bother?

            Do lefties think they score with such inanities?

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        • Raise taxes, Cut spending
          Raise taxes, Cut spending

          Cheney cherry-picked intelligence before it could be vetted, sources checked etc. He wanted to go in and finish the job that Bush senior wouldn’t let him do in 1991, so he grabbed whatever excuse he could find. He suspected there were WMD’s but the intelligence community had serious doubts about the quality of the intelligence. He didn’t care, it was good enough for him.

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          • Mad_Scientist

            That does seem to be what actually happened. But bear in mind that he duped many people in the process, probably including the president who trusted him. And of course there were the “opponents” like Colin Powell (if you believe his claims anyway) who didn’t have the balls to give a contrary view.

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          • JakeGint

            What a loaf of merde. Reminder — the President before Bush had the same intelligence and so did the Congressional leaders that backed the decision on Iraq. All of them were universally for an action against Hussein.

            “Cherry picked?” According to whom?.

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          • dishobgyn

            yeh the presidents before him were not stupid enough to go to a war, take over a soveign government, cause over 200K Iraqi casualty and over 350K indirectly, for no good reason.

            Wanting to do something is different and being moron bully and going ahead with your instinct is a totally different thing. for god’s sake you are the president of the most powerful government on the fucking planet earth. behave like one.

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          • JakeGint

            Please recall for me which Presidents lost the Towers and a large part of the Pentagon in a concerted four point attack using jetliners as guided missiles before 911?

            Do you really think any other President ever would have done any different?

            The President — whether you think in your small brain that he is “a moron” or “bully,” got the backing of the entire Congress before acting in either Afghan or Iraq. Which is much more than President dear Leader has done with Libya.

            I wonder, is he a moron in your eyes?

            Never mind that, answer this instead: Why do you think Obama as President has taken such an 180 degree turn with regard to the War on Terror from his days as Senator?

            Do you think perhaps he learned something when the intelligence book was opened up to him as Commander in Chief?

            Or perhaps he was drugged and brain-washed by an assortment of rogue cyborg Cheneybots?

            Again, I implore you to get more serious in your analyses.

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          • dishobgyn

            GWB attacked Iraq and there was NO evidence that they had ANYTHING to do with 9/11

            am I missing something

            regarding Obama, I dont support the guy, he is all talk when it came to his foreign policy. But I do respect the guy that he did not get involved with Libya.

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          • JakeGint

            Yes, you are “missing something.” The part where GWB said “I am attacking Iraq because of 911.”

            You are obviously missing a lot. Do you do any due diligence at all, or do you just scan lefty sites for glib non-facts?

            Have you studied up on Massood yet? First things first…

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          • Mad_Scientist

            They all chose to believe chalabi was credible. That decision has to be scrutinized. I don’t really think they all actually believed that either. Some had made up their minds to invade regardless.

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          • Raise taxes, Cut spending
            Raise taxes, Cut spending

            “Have you studied up on Massood yet? First things first…”

            Ah, the lame “When you know as much as I do, maybe then I’ll debate with you.” ploy.

            JakeGints favourite.

            It shows he has completely run out of bullets.

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        • Berserker

          Just for the record, senator Richard Lugar, who headed up the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations was never presented with any WMD “evidence” prior to the Iraq invasion. Reasonable questions regarding evidence resulted in the White House informing the senator and committee that, in effect, the “Foreign Relations” they were responsible for were “peaceful” relations only. Only the White House had “evidence” of Iraqi WMDs and such evidence was never presented to anyone else.

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  25. Bond Troll

    9-11 was the catalytic event but it didn’t cause the problems which we are facing. We and our leaders who we have elected, past and present are totally responsible. I am not encouraged that we have the self reliance and wisdom to face off the self-immolation desired by the tea baggers and move forward.

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  26. highyield6

    Best post yet

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  27. ckw

    Great post! Considering I served in the military for 8 years, couldn’t agree more! It’s time to fix the problem at home.

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  28. Bad Dougie

    “Big Mike says:
    September 11, 2008 at 10:15 am
    It’s ok Fly, the market will finish in the green today…
    Dougie Kass is bullish and going long SPY.”

    Yeah? Then why the fuck is this idiot touted as the one who claimed to be bullish on March 2009.

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    • Mad_Scientist

      When you’re bullish every day, eventually you’re correct. But people with limited resources lose a lot of money and capabilities in the process of getting to the day that you are correct.

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  29. Bad Dougie

    “The Fly says:
    September 11, 2008 at 11:08 am
    gas exploding to the upside, while crude dip= crack for the crack spread.
    WNR is the most heavily shorted refiner.”

    Lol

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  30. Dishobgyn

    We created, fed al qaida, and did not prevent the attacks when we could. We desparately needed a replacement for crumbled communism to keep the society occupied.

    If you dont have fear of a polar society, then people begin questioning the government, and thei stupid policies.

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    • JakeGint

      You are wrong, and your analysis is shallow. See my remarks above. This is a leftist trope rolled out by travelers seeking the Euro model. Problem is, the Euro model is only available because of our defense aegis.

      Think clearly… Communism “crumbled” in 1990. Why would we wait 11 years to “create fear” if it was so damn important to do so?

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  31. Testicules

    We knew (the west) there was a problem for a long time before 911 and yet we still continue to “pretend” it’s a small group of nuts that want us dead.
    Dice it up any way you want…but we are still facing a threat to our very existence…we are the unclean…the unwashed…the Infidels

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  32. Cloris Leechman

    Along that line of thought, I found this Andrew Bacevich editorial in The American Conservative constructive:
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/an-end-to-empire/

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    • Not buying it

      That is an excellent essay.

      It has always struck me that American Exceptionalism may really just be narcissism, and not much different from the British and French versions of earlier centuries.

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      • Cloris Leechman

        Exactly. In ego veritas.

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        • JakeGint

          The Brits were very close to America in their “exceptionalism.” Their problem was a lack of constitution and their embedded class system.

          They attempted to “solve” the latter by embracing Fabian Socialism, but that pretty much killed the whole “exceptionalism” thing to the point where the whole country is ashamed of it’s glorious past.

          It would be laughable were it not so bloody tragic.

          The U.S. is actually the evolutionary child of post-Civil War/Scientific Revolutionary Britain. It’s the perfection of that model, sans the feudalism. Which is why it remains exceptional to this day, despite the in-roads of collectivism. There’s resiliency in the model.

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          I’m not sure why you include the French in your argument, unless of course you are one of them. The French were “on top” for about 15 minutes. They have no truck with the label “exceptional” save perhaps in the food and wine department.

          Don’t tell them that, though.

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  33. horsetradin

    Dear Mr. Fly,
    Every time I see the media or some political hack fling out some cheap “memorial” to 9/11 to promote their own agenda of selling air time or continuing to rape our civil liberties, I cringe. Living in the Midwest, I did not suffer anywhere near what you and my east coast relatives had to go through. For everyone however, air travel in this country has turned into a complete “goat-f*ck”. The waste of resources and the psychological toll must have Bin Laden dancing in his grave. On this eve of 9/11 I can’t thank you enough for having the courage to speak the truth. Mr. Fly – we salute you.

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  34. ahole

    You righteously-indignant 9/11 people are all fags. End of story.

    I’m Manhattan native, too, and so double-fuck you to all you flyover shitheads.

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  35. ahole

    Dumb white trash and mid-west scum voting for idiots kill more Americans than all the dirka-dirks could dream. IN fact, the Tea Baggers almost blew up the economy… bin Laden could only DREAM of that shit!

    fuck you angry fags

    (I’m white guy, fwiw, and not some self-hating leftist faggot, either)

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  36. The Plumbers Crack
    The Plumbers Crack

    Here ye, here ye!

    The word master of the internet says it best.
    Fix this shit!

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  37. Craig White

    http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

    Watch this footage

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  38. Mad_Scientist

    If you are correct, I would argue then that we/the west was already destroyed before the event, we just didn’t realize it.

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  39. razorsedge

    was growin some tomatoes. they wernt doin so good. so i added miracal grow, wow they did great, after a week they were healthy and grown good, so i thought if i added more they would do better, hum i gave them more, 30% died, guess too much stimules killed them.this is not a political statement, just what happens to tomatoes.

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    • Calgary G

      Sometimes it’s hard to grow tomatoes Razor; just relax, and have another cup of tea, and it it will all work out for the best.

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  40. South of the Mason-Dixon
    South of the Mason-Dixon

    Well said sir.

    Unfortunately I doubt this country will be able to extract itself from it’s anus…for numerous reasons.

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  41. Blind Read Ant

    On this one, I respectfully differ Fly.

    I elevatored the world trade center, YOU?

    Could have been me. That day. While you “smelled” from Hoodlyn “for a few weeks.”

    Let me ask: would Hitler stop? Kaiser? Stalin? Atilla? Rome? If someone hadn’t gone AND KICKED THEIR ASS?!

    Thank you, but there exist values beyon those numerically denominated in communicated representations. I would be surprise to remind you of “liberty.” You clearly have life and property. With respect, I DISSENT.

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    • dishobgyn

      see below, we are all victims

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    • The Fly

      I never said I was against military response. I am against the manner in which the wars were fought. I fully support and rip and run approach. Fuck the nation building nonsense.

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  42. dishobgyn

    Jakcgint

    Open your eyes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_KYqFzhEs

    we are not as innocent as you think we are. we are always portrayed as victims. Did you ever considered that terrorism is a relative term. Did you ever considered why 2/3 of the world does not like us? it is because of our foreign policy.

    Only if Ron Paul could become the president. I am not Republican nor Democrat but his is the only voice of reason in Washington

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    • JakeGint

      I know why 2/3rds of the world doesn’t like us.

      I also know why 2/3rds of the world wants to come here.

      I really hope you are still in med school, and this is just a passing phase.

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      • dishobgyn

        sorry, I was a democrat when in school and then immediately republican but now that I have been out for 19 years, sick and tired of both of them. Time to flush both of them down

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        • Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke
          Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke

          Hi, Dishobgyn. You have made some excellent points here. However, you should be aware that political ideologues are not interested in facts.

          I posted this excellent article here yesterday, illustrating how the Repubs are doing more harm than the Dems, though both parties do suck, I must admit.

          http://www.truth-out.org:80/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

          Jake responded by asking me where it was published (Apparently his network of Tea Partier friends forbid him to read this particular web site)and asking whether it was written by Paul Krugman– which even reading the url name would tell you it was not.

          Political ideologues avoid facts like the plague. They read only the articles from the Right Wing approved web sites, and watch only approved TV, so as not to contaminate their minds with facts.

          If you want to discuss facts, perhaps you should discuss them with those people who actually care about them, rather than some of the John Birchers here.

          Perhaps one should not blame folks for wanting to fit in with their social network. It is one of the strongest human needs. Politics is usually based on perceived self-interest, and also on fitting in with a group of people who appear to have the same perception as you of what their self-interests are.

          The Internet is a strange thing. We know nothing about each other but the words that we choose to type. But you could be arguing political facts with someone who is a close relative of Dick Cheney or Michele Bachman and you wouldn’t know it. How likely would that person be to change their mind about politics?

          A person’s perceived self-interest, and that of their social network, is more important than anything they type on the Internets.

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          • Dishobgyn

            Great post

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          • JakeGint

            You two should get a room.

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          • Mad_Scientist

            Oh but the author with the ex-republican angst isn’t a political ideologue? Its hilarious when people actually believe that anyone disagreeing is a political ideologue but their own point of view is most certainly not ideological and is not supported by anyone who is. Its da truth if only the conservatives would stop fear mongering they would accept it and then obama could fix the world. Lol

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          • JakeGint

            This is the essence of the Frog’s solipsism.

            He (or she) thinks everyone else is some sort of ideologue and his (or her) left leaning sympathies are “zero grade normal.”

            I’m a conservative, but at least I freaking admit it.

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          • TeahouseOnTheTracks
            TeahouseOnTheTracks

            A John Bircher conservative … you’re so far right that your leftist charges to your detractors make them/us all right of middle rather than mere moderates. Just own up and show us your card.

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      • Yabollox

        Rome was hated by most of the rest of the world at that time. We are Rome today. Many of us would like to be Sweden or Switzerland, but we are Rome. And for the most part it’s a good thing.

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    • Mad_Scientist

      You ron paul cultists ignore that if american foreign policy was changed to the detriment of american interest, this would not appease muslim terrorists! It would strengthen them, give them courage that they are achieving their goals, and motivate them to strike “death blows”

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      • Dishobgyn

        You are a naiive red neck

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        • Mad_Scientist

          I have never lived in a rural area.

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          • JakeGint

            Dish is one of the most naive posters here, so don’t be surprised if she makes assumptions about those who haven’t swallowed similar leftist-conspiracist b.s.

            It’s a similarly lazy methodology.

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        • Mad_Scientist

          You are naive for believing you can placate the Islamic ideology. You are in dar al harb, and until that changes (I don’t think you would like that change)… no amount of foreign policy surrender is going to appease that ideology. It will only weaken us and give them greater strength for their efforts.

          It’s funny you libs keep saying how the conservatives and tea partiers are too ideological and therefore can’t be reasoned with, but you think you can reason with islamic terrorism?! That’s the Paultards for ya.

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  43. Colonel von Ryan

    The 60’s killed off America…this does not even compare…

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  44. Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke
    Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke

    Oops. My “comment is awaiting moderation.” When that happens, it usually doesn’t get through. I’ll try again.

    Hi, Dishobgyn. You have made some excellent points here. However, you should be aware that political ideologues are not interested in facts.

    I posted this excellent article here yesterday, illustrating how the Repubs are doing more harm than the Dems, though both parties do suck, I must admit.

    http://www.truth-out.org:80/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

    Jake responded by asking me where it was published (Apparently his network of Tea Partier friends forbid him to read this particular web site)and asking whether it was written by Paul Krugman– which even reading the url name would tell you it was not.

    Political ideologues avoid facts like the plague. They read only the articles from the Right Wing approved web sites, and watch only approved TV, so as not to contaminate their minds with facts.

    If you want to discuss facts, perhaps you should discuss them with those people who actually care about them, rather than some of the John Birchers here.

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    • JakeGint

      You have copied that screed before. Shall I put forth the treatises of the hundreds of leftist intellectuals that saw the light and switched to the consertive side?

      Would you give them similar creedance? Google “David Horowitz” or “Ron Radosh,” as they have some really good stuff, being born and bred red diaper babies.

      High entertainment about the real Reds, before you all went underground with admitting it.

      There are far, far more ex-communists than there are ex-conservatives, Frog. Why do you think that is?

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  45. Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke
    Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke

    My comment is always awaiting moderation. Have tried twice.

    I give up. If the moderator of the night is one of the John Birchers, it for sure will never get through. Maybe that is why we sometimes end up with lots of thumbs up for Progressive commenters, but not very many actual Progressive comments?

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    • JakeGint

      No, we get “not many” Progressive comments because the “Progressives” don’t have much to say in response to evidence and logical argument laid before them, so they mash thumb buttons instead.

      (or, like in your case, they repeat the same tired thing about how their is no truth, only “belief,” lol.)

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      • JakeGint

        And fwiw, a bunch of my stuff was in moderation too.

        I merely e-mailed Jeremy to get it out. You should try it some time instead of cursing the “Bircher conspiracy.”

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        • Taco

          Progressive democrats are followers of the central banker-created “Third Way,” aka communitarianism. These folks are Fabian socialists who believe in collectivism.

          UN Agenda 21 and the Earth Charter are their Bible and they ultimately want to make private property ownership a thing of the past, move the masses into cities (SmartGrowth), get rid of cars (loss of independence and mobility), and replace the world’s major religions with an eco-friendly Earth Mother Gaya (Pagan) religion, supported by Luciferianism.

          Be careful what you say you are part of. If you don’t know the roots of this movement, now might the time to find out.

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  46. Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke
    Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke

    Hmm. Shorter comments are getting through. OK. Here’s a summarized version.

    Dishobgyn, you have made some excellent points here. However, you should be aware that political ideologues are not at all interested in facts.

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    • JakeGint

      … so sayeth “The Frog King of Irony” about the young med student’s non-facts and internet wives’ tales.

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  47. J

    Good work in teaching these hammer heads a thing of two, Jake.

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  48. JakeGint

    Never mind all this political chatter… check out this banque-housing symbiosis piece. I mean, I knew they were quite dependent on one another… I just had no idea HOW dependent/symbiotic they were.

    Cheggitout.

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    • Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke
      Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke

      Excellent chart study there, Jake. Thanks.

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  49. Taco

    The way the deaths of 4,000 people was propagandized to promote war and the dismantling of the US Constitution (a goal of central bankers behind the UN) is a testament to how completely gullible most people are. People are extremely easy to manipulate, to achieve any political goal, since people still trust the paradigm fed to them by the mainstream media.

    It is no mark of success to own a nice big TV. It’s simply a symbol of your successful brainwashing.

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  50. Testicules

    2001-09-11 09:50:03 Arch [1020272] A ALPHA
    it’s reported that a US military helicopter circled the building then crashed into or next to the Pentagon – it’s not clear to whether it was the White House or the Pentagon – they are being evacuated
    from wikileaks now that is fucking strange

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  51. Aaron Pomerenke

    I agree 100%.

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  52. TraderCaddy

    Nice post Fly and some excellent comments by others along the way.
    My wife and I took the 2 hour drive to St. Pete. last night to watch the Rays beat the BoSox 6-5 in 11 innings in one of the best ball games I have seen.
    Unfortunately, we got home about 2:30 AM.

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  53. alf44

    I would just like to say this about Jake Gint !

    Whether you AGREE with Jake …
    or … whether you DISAGREE with Jake …
    there is one thing I’m sure we can ALL AGREE on …

    Jake Gint is one hellova typist !!!

    .

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    • Taco

      …and he’s communitarian, which means he’s uneducated to some degree because no one in their right mind would follow a political agenda created and funded by central bankers.

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      • Testicules

        HUH??
        A successful trader would follow each and every move…learning and anticipating

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      • cheesefries

        Taco,

        What the fuck are you blabbering about?

        Central Bankers? are you writing the script for a new Oliver Stone movie?

        I find it disgusting that over the course of history with every tragedy comes a group or someone that is in “the know”. They attempt to tell a story with some fucking conspiracy theory that attempts to make sense of the insanity in the world.

        They are the real pussies.

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  54. The Fly

    I believe it’s fair to say ALF has earned his way into the halls of respect at the iBC museum. His posts have been receiving a lot more thumbs up these past few days, after some kickass stock calls.

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    • alf44

      Fly … you are too kind, Sir !!!

      .

      Excuse me … I’m gonna need a minute.

      Does someone have a tissue ?

      .

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  55. EV

    More impressive than his ascendance is that you did not merely tolerate Alf, at times you’ve egged him on.

    Your actions say more about the virtues of free speech than any handful of platitudes can. well done to you both.

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  56. Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke
    Frog Playing a Colorful Accordion Song for Bernanke

    Way up there within all these political comments, Jake mentioned his chart study of the correlation between banks and housing. Take a look at his blog there. I may never agree with Jake on politics, but he does some great stock charts studies.

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