I have little doubt that the vermin in Turkey plotted and schemed, in their little Turkish bath ways, to shoot down a Russian bomber.
Why?
Because the Syrian Turkmen were being bombed out into obliteration.
The attack appeared to be “an ambush” and “looks very much like a planned provocation,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters Wednesday in Moscow, suggesting Turkey was defending Syrian anti-government fighters based in nearby areas. “We can’t leave what happened without a response.”
Then there’s this.
A Russian pilot rescued by special forces backed up the assertion that no warnings were given, “not by radio, not visually,” according to comments to state media.
“If they’d wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves, taking a parallel course,” the pilot said. “But there was nothing. And the rocket hit the tail of our plane suddenly. We didn’t even get a visual of it in time to take evasive action.”
Bottom line: As much shit as we talk about Russia, in no way are they a declared enemy. Turkey should have warned them, or escort the Russian jet out of their airspace. No, not the fucking Turks. The Turks had to shoot the fucking plane down, because they’re Turks and without brains.
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A different and conflicting account here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/europe/turkey-russia-fighter-jet.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
I have been warning for years what scum these Turks are. In my day would would have hung them from stakes and feasted on our bounty as they rotted into oblivion.
+1 vlad, indeud
How many multiple multiple times did I say Russia was being provoked (last 6-30months). Now that it’s crossed over to events, The commentators/analysts are silly compared to me. I identified it 2 yrs ago. Mofos
The Turkey Gods are one of, if not the top, producers of legal opium. No doubt they felt they had the backing of one of their biggest customers…
Personally, I think we should be bombing jihadists not arming them.
Funny how that works…
Thanks for the picture. I finally used it.
Looks good. I recognized you immediately
tc, the problem with the Middle East is that, although people love to think they know how to tell the “good guys” from the “bad guys”, history shows that no one has really been able to do this. So perhaps the U.S. should just pull out of these civil wars and let the Middle Easterners continue to fight each other– or else let them solve their own problems, if they are ever willing/able to do so.
Yeah that’s true. My comment was meant more towards our government recent policy of using jihadist as proxy armies (an actually we’ve been doing this since the 1980s). I just think Islam is a particularly dangerous religion. Culture is destiny.
To quote Churchill: How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
I replied Frog but it’s being censored at the moment. Happy Thanksgiving to you. May God bless you.
Thanks for trying to reply. Happy Thanksgiving to you too, tc.
I can see going after specific individuals and groups that have harmed the U.S. or our allies. But even there, there is the complication that there are these civil wars and wars between sects of Muslims. So, when the U.S. arrives in a Middle Eastern country, everybody lies and tells us that whoever their own enemy faction is, that that person or group is the enemy of the U.S.
And we have often, for that reason, ended up attacking the wrong people, and creating more terrorists who hate us for having killed their relatives, friends, and countrymen, who were innocent of any wrongdoing.
It’s a real mess.
Very true. But this is also the “Great Game,” and I think if we just walked away from the field, you have ask what would fill that vacuum and would it be better or worse. Hard to have an answer and it is certifiably a mess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
perhaps we walk away, leave the middle east,
it would be great if the different sects wiped each other out,
i highly doubt that would happen, would love to see what may be.
Muslims want to conquer the planet in world domination as written on the koran.
I suspect if we left the middle east it still would never end.
it’s a great debate
who knows what the solution is ?
From the article I cited above:
“President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday evening — and a Pentagon spokesman later confirmed — that before a Turkish F-16 shot down the Russian Su-24 jet, Turkish forces had warned the Russian plane 10 times in five minutes to steer away.”
I don’t know why so many people love to hate the Turks. I know nothing about them, but the NY Times reports they did warn the Russian plane, as quoted above. Other news sources, that continually “cradle Putin’s balls”, as Fly has stated in the past, report Russia’s account of the incident only.
I guess hate makes the world go round. What was that on Trump’s hat? Make American hate again?
The warning was a ruse. if made. 10 times? almost laughably deliberately fake. recording released of warnings (yeah that proves they reached pilots) barely over border if at all, pilots would let themselves be blown out of the sky?, shot at while parachuting, surviving pilot said no warning no border infringement, Coordinated Deliberate Wargame
There is this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/recording-emerges-turkey-pilot-warning-russian-plane
zh leaves it open ended. manipulated media certainly possibility
We won’t bring up the unfortunate matter of Malaysia Flight 17.