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18 years in Wall Street, left after finding out it was all horseshit. Founder/ Master and Commander: iBankCoin, finance news and commentary from the future.
Joined Nov 10, 2007
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Trixies

Trust me, I am laughing at myself more than you’re laughing at me for being caught with my pants down in this prison called the stock market. It’s not like I loaded up in a bunch of small cap crap. I was cordially invested in “the very best companies in America”, with markets caps ranging from 5 to 15 billion dollars. Why was I in these stocks and continue to lose money in them for 8 consecutive weeks?

Programming.

For a moment, I will blame other people for my mistakes; but ultimately, I am responsible for my own actions.

1. The vulture capitalists live in a fantasy land of lies. They’ve bid up these private companies to the point of grande perversion. Nearly 70% of these new IPOs lose money, yet possess price to sales ratios that resemble the very best companies at their peak. I was given the task to find a company that went from large operating losses, in hyper growth phase, to making money, conforming with traditional valuation metrics, with its share price outperforming the markets. It was a much harder task than I thought it would be. I found a handful of stocks, like EQIX, DDD, TSLA and SPWR. But solar was utterly wrecked a few years ago, so they’re disqualified.

The point: there isn’t any historical precedence for success when investing in companies that are losing money.

2. Investment banks accepted the private markets absurd valuations and dumped it on the investor.

And lastly, the analysts came out with rave reviews, justifying the high valuations with excellent sophistry.

Come to think about it now, and of course in hindsight, there is rarely a reason to buy a stock that has operating losses. The reason why these stocks are being mauled is because the street has decided to punish any company who loses money to the point of barbarism. The capital markets will close on these companies soon and they will have a very difficult time raising money to keep operations going.

All of these growth stocks are down a good 30-50%. Perhaps they will bounce in May; but can we ever trust them again? The way these stocks dropped at 9:40 am is something I will never forget, for as long as I live. I was keyed in on NOW like a hawk, considering it the tell for the day, since they just reported great earnings. The stock went from +2 to -8 or -14% in a matter of minutes. There is no way human beings could’ve done that. Some asshole algorithm nailed that stock to the wall, and everything followed with it. WDAY, DATA, YELP and of course FEYE went straight down the chute. These stocks traded like bank stocks at the height of the Lehman collapse, loaded with toxic paper and too much debt.

These tech stocks are dead. They’re going all the way to single digits; that’s how they’re trading. It’s more than just margin calls or crazy short sellers. This is a high conviction trade for people who know better, especially me. Period, end of story; it’s time to take the lumps.

 

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122 comments

  1. Scungelli

    Agree

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  2. matt_bear

    Gold and silver stocks are for losers.

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  3. Helicopter Ben

    So are you unwinding the horsemen into the next market strength?

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    • The Fly

      Maybe tomorrow into weakness.

      I am done.

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      • The Big Spooky

        Always a hard choice. For the next round, take a look at the domestic natty stocks {CHK,ECA,WPX,SWN etc} – they are cheap, hated, and have some interesting fundamental tailwinds driving the stories.

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        • The Fly

          When I sell, I am going away. I’ll still blog, but might take an extended rest, even a retirement, from investing.

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          • UncleBuccs

            Do you think Chess might take you on as an assistant? Kind of like when a lawyer is disbarred and goes to work at the firm as a paralegal?

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          • The Fly

            Do you want me to answer that or felt it was a good time for an insult?

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          • UncleBuccs

            Got caught up with the apes. I really don’t believe you’re going to quit. 100% love from your uncle…

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          • JPMorgains

            Very unfortunate, this turn of events. May you find some happiness elsewhere in your life for a while. Life is too good to get brought down by this stuff.

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  4. No One

    Why did you post a video of yourself?

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  5. matt_bear

    What’s wrong old chap?

    Rocky didn’t throw in the towel after Clubber got him. It’s time to get back up and go race a black guy on the beach.

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  6. No One

    What are you holding right now?

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  7. The Fly

    Funny thing to boot, my son’s class had a stock market contest. Him thinking his Dad had an edge asked for my “expert” opinions. I gave him all of the crap I got fleeced in and his ranking is 900 of 935.

    You can’t make this shit up.

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  8. gb

    @Fly, You’re the Man!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOvktLgETbk , by Aloe Blacc

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  9. matt_bear

    That is awesome.

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  10. Scungelli

    Wait a second.. i was first to agree but also consider we’re only 1 Fed move away from capitulation to the upside on all caught shorting here at the top. As a product of the 2000 era stock market I say wait to see 1 last move straight the fudge up precipitated by short covering. It could still happen Fly. I think you know that better than me. Still rooting for ya!!

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    • steel_man

      the Fed is TAPERING — I doubt the Fed might REVERSE the taper, here at all time highs on the indices — no one is looking for the Fed to help stock prices move higher here — BEN IS GONE

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  11. CWB

    SPX is a good day or two from ATHs. Remain patient, I know..who wants to, but tech should follow.

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    • steel_man

      no, tech won’t follow energy and utilities and the other garbage stocks holding up the indices – on the contrary, the garbage is more likely to follow tech down the shitter

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    • it is showtime

      Of course the indexes are being kept up

      (That retarded reversal a week and a half ago?)

      Easy to rationalize near all time highs even though damage surrounding

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  12. Crimedog

    The problem with these recent issues that are tanking is that there is no *bottom* based on some history of support. They really could just keep falling. A part of me loves to see these companies punished for pumping revs at any cost without any actual plan to become profitable, but I certainly don’t like seeing the The Fly down and out. Stick in there buddy. Us peasants of the internetz appreciate your candor and take on the markets.

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  13. No One

    your stocks won’t go down as much tomorrow.

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  14. alf44

    .
    … I had a feeling by your “longer than usual” low profile today … that there was some serious “reflection” takin’ place !

    By ANY measure … the action in … well … pretty much EVERYTHING unless you caught the AAPL Gap … but, in your “horseman positions” today was just FUGLY !

    I know it must have been difficult !

    Made even MORE difficult by your choice to put yourself out there on a petrie dish … for ALL to prod and examine … like a FLY in a Biology Lab !

    I KNOW this will sting for a while !

    If you need some time … TAKE some time !

    —–

    Something tells me … You ain’t goin’ no where !!!

    .

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  15. steel_man

    DAVID EINHORN took over Fly’s blog

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  16. No One

    No sympathy for the devil.

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  17. weegoody

    I feel dirty after reading this whole thread.

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  18. Scungelli

    I just want to say fuck all you guys talking shit to Fly. Really he is a hero. Since 1st qtr 2012 he called that we were going to new all time highs. I think you’ll find that in a post related to YELP. He was right for 2 fucking years before we end up 500+ points higher on SPX and well over 200% higher on YELP when No fucking body had the balls to try and push the market over 1370 – so fuck off.

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    • it is showtime

      And U don’t think it will make the fall bigger/harder if (…) it happens?

      U

      yeah U

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  19. incometrader

    It’ll feel amazing to rid yourself of what’s been polluting your brain for the last 2 months.

    After some time you’ll be back looking for new winners with new energy like you always do.

    Anyone in the market for more than 5 yrs have been where you are and know what it feels like.

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    • alf44

      .

      Breaking Up Is Hard To Do

      —–

      I STILL git teary eyed about Wendy Lowrance !!!

      —–

      But, I digress !!!

      .

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  20. drake sucks

    FLY just play tna/tza via the ppt like you did back in the day. Why even mess with balance sheets and lack thereof? Play the “macro” waves of “risk on/off” via those 3x demons and sail away, into the proverbial sunset (no cliche).

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  21. pedro

    Sell them all and buy the most flagrant offender of operating losses trying to command a super high valuation: VHC.

    Seriously, shits about to go bonkers to the upside. Apple is about to settle and soon. The vagaries of a settlement’s language are eminently more favorable to forward-looking earnings estimates than Court memorandums/opinions.

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  22. matt_bear

    Do you think Putin has ever read one of your blog posts?

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  23. it is showtime

    Late-Stage Bull Market

    (I get to repeat it
    because it feels good)

    AAPL
    big dividend hike
    major stock split
    buybacks for eps

    Momo status ended
    Growth status sliding

    Just, ANOTHER, Reason

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  24. SGT HARTMAN

    And the Tabbed Bloggers need to be fired, picking one horseshit stock after another…

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  25. ironbird

    No One is the fucking devil.

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  26. ironbird

    Never thought it neccessary before but closing these monsters out of IBC may just be proper.

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  27. Drake sucks

    You can’t retire, btw. College tuition, Wholed Foods and Health Care bills aren’t going away.

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  28. Odd Lots

    Hey Fly,
    Long time listener, first time caller. I’ll start by saying that I thoroughly enjoy your market commentary. Your blog is a source of both information and entertainment which I cannot find elsewhere. You have often brought a smile to my face when chastising those that elect to battle you in these halls. Your humor and wit are unmatched in the financial media world. If you feel the need to take some time away from active management, I wish you the best and hope for a speedy return. There is nothing wrong with taking a break and clearing your head. Remember you are attempting to compete at the highest level possible on a daily basis against the most intelligent and wealthy people in the world while writing about your experiences. To me that is quite a daunting task but you have done it very well for a number of years. Thanks for your time and talent here at IBC.

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    • Mister Jinx

      I second this

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    • ironbird

      Indeed. Exactly what he said.

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    • Polly serial

      I agree. I have enjoyed your take on the markets and although I trade about 180 degrees away from your penchant for Chinese Burrito stocks, have at times followed you modestly and gained, but more than this have been grateful for your witticisms. Like for instance, referring to the markets as ‘the alphabets’ to your children. A much easier way to discuss this garbage to a young mind than calling it what it is. Tough call on closing out the trade here. Must say I was pleased to close the book on my very brief FEYE trade, though. There’s no telling how far these names get hammered. OTOH I kind of think there will be a lot of idiots following Einhorn and someone special is going to want to rip their faces off, soonish.

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  29. Mister Jinx

    Fly, if FEYE closes this week up a lousy dollar from its Thursday closing price, I think you’re still in the game. Up to you, but I still wouldn’t sell right here. Also wouldn’t sell YELP, even though I hate that fucking company. Maybe even the same with WDAY. SPLK looks pretty shitty, though.

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  30. AdHoc

    Dude, stick with your plan and bail, or flip short on these dumpster fires for that matter. That trade is done. Dude’s idea about PPT buying and selling TZA etc… Makes sense if it has worked

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  31. ironbird

    What happened to the ultimate bear shit site ZH? It is all Enquirer now. Nonsense posts. Banker deaths and complete horseshit. Almost a socialist version of a bear shit site.

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    • The Fly

      Tyler must be letting other people write. That’s not him

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      • ironbird

        Will except that. The overwhelming feeling of being fucked with in this tape has fractured my thinking a bit. Worn out moment. Indeed.

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  32. mojo

    Dear Fly, wish you could just back off for awhile and write a book.

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    • The Fly

      Give me a topic and I might do it

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      • speedius

        Urban planning, but with a twist.

        Really though, I just wanted to say holy fuck, and best regards.

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      • Floorsmall

        Book topic. Two women from different countries fall in love with each other. One of the women is an orphan. Over time they come to realize they are sisters, separated at birth. Around the same time, they also have decided they want to spend the rest of their lives together. The rest of the book is about them trying to get around incest laws to get married. After all, incest is not really a problem for gays and lesbians is it?

        Haha

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      • Biggranddaddy

        Collection of columns ,like Charles Krauthammer,with inside Wall Street experience,at the beginning

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  33. Mtbigsky

    Cheer up Fly. You are an excellent writer and the money will find its way back into your pocket. Fuck these bears they can’t take the market down and it’s driving them crazy. Sure all my stocks which were glorious last year ONVO, HIMX, DDD, PRKR, LGF, Various dry bulk shippers, etc.. Have ripped me a new asshole, but at least the spy’s holding up. It’s not like you are alone, many people have been screwed by 2014 but fuck it we gotta persevere. I’m telling you right now the rare earths are going to be the next rockets. Nobodies watching them now but UURAF, TAS, FPLSF. especially ucore the department of defense has a vested interest in a domestic supplier of rare earths. I’m buying now and holding forever. When/if I break even in all the other trash I bought in 2013 I’m done with investing in large caps. I’m only investing if they pay a sizable dividend or I’m looking for an outsized capital gain. Let’s face it nobody can predict the market it’s batshit insane. Anyone who claims they knew that all the tech stocks would be wrecked as hard as they were is full of shit. Anyways cheer up I read you every day and you put a smile on my face while my account is evaporating into thin air.

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  34. Juice

    The current Fly portfolio was last to correct of the hot/momo sectors, and will likely be last to find a bottom. Biotech & 3D corrected first & are attempting to currently carve out a bottom.

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  35. Bruce J Keller

    Well I only spent like $45 bucks on the $FEYE call yesterday and it’s still flat for me so I’ll hold it til next week just for entertainment value. But I think $INX 1872 retest will gimme what I wanted to happen during the last hour or two of yesterday. 😀

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  36. Db6strings

    So….that’s it? Ok, well I guess it is time to pack up and go home. It was all a well orchestrated prank. I hear you can earn a nifty .20 % on passbook savings. It was kind of like the end to Lost – they were really dead all along. “Watch out for the smoke monster as you exit the theater. Sorry your house burned down. And, of course: no refunds!”

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  37. xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M
    xxxHuggieBearxxx D.P.M

    Cut your losses where you are and make your comeback, you can do it.

    These tech IPO stocks are all one big scam. I’ve been wondering for the longest time who the greater fool was in this scenario…..I look at a companie like $ANGI. They’ve lost money for 18 straight year. 18 straight! But somehow they are worth, at one point $1.5B?? I know this business well, and there isn’t a scenario in the world I can come up with where there worth more than $500M, and thats a moonshot miracle that also isn’t going to happen.

    Yelp is the same shit. Yelp is a better company and has, at least, a FREE service that makes sense. But god knows how they’ll ever make real money off of it. I mean, sure they’ll make money, but enough to justify $6B in valuation? Never, ever, never ever ever ever ever.

    The sad thing is a lot of these companies are real success stories. Neat little companies that truly are an innovation explosion.

    But there is a cabal out there who are using them to rape and pillage and steal from the unsuspecting “greater fool,” whoever that turns out to be.

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  38. Mr.Partridge

    Dr.

    I am sorry to hear about all this, I think you just need a break, may a long one… I know you will bounce back.
    We all been there.

    Mr.P

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  39. Noni Kavuri

    I sold my YELP position in premarket. tech companies are crushing earnings but it hasn’t buoyed them, no reason to fight gravity, can always get back in.

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  40. The Real Muppet

    Good luck Fly! I enjoy reading your blog and hope you keep it up. I’ve enjoyed everything buy the “music” that is.

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  41. Jeremy

    There is no such thing as a making a “comeback” in the market. Each day is a new day; we trade because it can be profitable, is enjoyable, and because we can. Do whatever you feel like, but keep up the creative writing.

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    • Noni Kavuri

      Jeremy, would you do what fly is doing and cut the losses, as the Nasdaq still looks weak overall, and get back in at a later time?

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      • Bruce J Keller

        $NQ is just building up steam for one final hurrah to the top before pain in mid summer.

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      • Jeremy

        Well, cutting losses was the thing to do about 25% ago (in these stocks). At this point its just become a disaster and basically have to sell. Its just a terrible position to be in. Sell when you can and not when you have to.

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  42. ottnott

    Breed rats and become a post-apocalyptic meat baron.

    I know you had your heart set on becoming a post-apocalyptic kicking-old-men-down-stairs baron, but, in the post apocalypse, people will be chopping up their stairs for firewood. To roast rats. Destiny calls.

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  43. flyaway18

    I mean this sincerely, the ONE time I thought I wanted to quit: I had taken a swim in the bay behind my house (I was in my early 20s) , jumped off my neighbor’s dock, didn’t notice the wind was blowing out with me and swam too far into the channel. When I turned to swim back to the dock, the wind was in my face. Halfway back, I could barely lift my arms and I thought to myself, I need help. My neighbor was sunning on a loungechair at the end of the dock. I wanted to yell “help” to her, thinking she could save me. Then it occurred to me that if I yelled, I would be quitting and I would surely die. Right then, I figured out that it was the feeling of panic that was going to defeat me if I let it. It took everything I had to swim back AND lift my shaking body onto the dock. Fly, you will be fine whatever you decide as long as you don’t panic.

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    • johnny joker

      great advice

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    • The Fly

      Great parable flyaway

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    • jimmy_two_times

      funny, I had the same experience when I was 16 and my laser tipped in the bay, couldn’t right it and smart guy (me) wasn’t wearing a life jacket decided to swim back instead of staying with the boat.

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  44. johnny joker

    Fly – I’m a new reader and I have to say that there is no one else out there that keeps it as honest and as real as you do. Regardless of what happens in the market, you’ve got plenty of old and new fans alike.

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  45. jcvtwo

    Romania is nice this time of year. Watch a few people pee on the street. Smell the roses, return refreshed.

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  46. Poppin' Off

    Fly…

    Some will ridicule me for thinking a 1987 moment [for NQ] is right around the corner, and maybe rightly so. Topping is the same, and the other correlations are very hard to ignore. Regardless, it’s extremely difficult to think that NQ can bounce from here. If it does crash 10% or more from here, and if this is anything like 1987, there will be excellent opportunities for other names shortly after. Here’s to hoping this happens after you sell and that you get in at the right time. Don’t walk away!!

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  47. eatlovetrade

    For what it’s worth, I did a comparison last night between 2012 Apple and the current state of FEYE, DATA, NOW, YELP. Apple was very bubble-like back then and on its way down it had several counter-trend rallies that coincided, surprisingly well, to some fibonacci time series numbers. We just passed the 34 fib time zone, which was the start of Apple’s strongest counter-trend rally. Check it out if you have some time. http://eatlovetrade.blogspot.com/2014/04/a-more-recent-market-bubble-comparison.html

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  48. Bob

    Feye and Data much lower pre market, lmao

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  49. Blutarski

    Give up?? Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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  50. SK

    Fly, the year’s not over. You’re still up over 40% iirc from beginning of 2013. Maybe grandma can’t take the pain of drawdowns, but even if you’re down for the year you’ll likely beat the indices and everyone else over most time periods.

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  51. eatlovetrade

    Fly – don’t forget that many of these stocks report earnings first week of May. At least one reason to hold the bag a while longer

    YELP 4/30
    DATA 5/5
    FEYE 5/6
    WDAY 5/19

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  52. The Real Muppet

    Bloomberg TV has a new Rusky bombshell. Anastasia

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  53. Bruce J Keller

    Hey! What the heck does $FEYE think it is doing there?!

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