Having trouble finding words here today, especially with YGE trading down 15%. Having rode this in December from $4.30 to nearly $8, then back to breakeven as of yesterday, I open up to stare down a nice sized loss, for the first time since purchasing this stock. I refuse to ride a loss like this much lower, especially since I had always figured I would exit just under $4 if it traded there. At the least, I might reduce the size of this position if I attempt to ride it out.
You know, every few years you encounter a behavior or market personality you feel you’ve never seen before. After having gone through 2011, I thought I’d seen it all. As I’m driving home from the hospital the other night, I hear the evening headlines over the radio, followed by the words…”and on Wall Street the Dow finished down 16 points, just off its all time highs” and I laughed out loud.
If you are deploying the same set of strategies used last year, you are facing a steep list of disadvantages here. I have only a fraction of the number of positions I manage on average and have been doing a lot less these days, waiting for a better table to sit down and play at. At this rate, I think it takes at least 2 weeks for option premiums to settle, as we get through earnings and assuming we don’t see the market fall apart in that same time frame.
In the end, I still think we’re in the aversion phase of sentiment. Even if there were an easy trade here, how many of you would actually take it?
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dont see any easy trades. The inverses have made such huge moves. Last year’s leaders are no more. New leaders will emerge if/when the indices begin to show upside. Cash is king.
My question was…if there was an easy trade, would you still take it here. In other words, how’s your confidence overall?
yes, if I saw an easy trade I’d take it. Confidence for upside is low. If there was more fear my confidence would pickup.
My balls have tucked completely back into my body. Averaged down in $YGE today.
I have seen some easy trades, but not nearly the price target you would expect.
lots of whipsawing and need to play it tight
the mkt is fooked
Didn’t lose My ass on BP afterall what a ride though, blind folded and hand cuffed to a Demon drop coaster
we might as well just crash here
OA, please don’t give up on YGE. you are all our last hopes
Chub, maybe, but how many people traded this stock in various different ways at various different prices? I didn’t realize until recently that many folks waited and waited to buy this stock at $7 as opposed to $4. Then rode down huge losses in it, just because I said I was holding. Why wouldn’t I hold a winning position? Now the tone has turned to what a shitty stock this is, all the problems with it…none of which was mentioned when I was rocking a 70% gain in it. Regardless of all else, I won’t lose a ton of money over it. Too much of that has been going on, and as a group, we have to get back to focusing on good trading mechanics.
wait now, just for the record, hes not my last hope, ive got a 2% poz on in this thing from higher. everyone should take responsibility for their own trades. ive been to bejing, and those kids need to do something about their air quality, so long long term thesis…no one gives you your $$ back in this business.
true, the market is HUGE for alt energy needs in china. But YGEs balance sheet is the main concern here. Their cost of capital has to be enormous and one of the most levered solar comps out there.
I got out of YGE around $6. I’m not playing captain hindsight because i post in the comments real time, but the triangle breakdown was easy to spot. When it failed to make new high on 3/6 and reversed at $7 to head lower a trip to the $4.50’s was very on the table and I feel that as a trader you have to take your profit and move on.
As it is, it broke below bottom of triangle, came back up to retest and has since failed.
It’s a chinese company with quarterly losses for 3 straight years. Air is being let out on spec stocks. The TA and the fundi’s are in alighnment for this, so what’s the basis for buying it?
sorry, full disclosure I re-bought at $4.50 (playing the triangle bottom) and took a loss just below 4.
What’s the basis for buying it? Who’s buying?
One of them was me. Interesting thing is/was when I held through big down, I kept thinking OA and “Belief”, then now I sold with huge loss, I even don’t want to buy back such unhealthy stocks. Delusion disappear. That I feel. Back to focus good trade/investment as OA says. OA, how about TWTR ? Still for long term holding, or change your perception under 40 ?
Yeah, under $40.
i agree. under $40, hard not to change outlook. nothing but air under that level
i posted in Fly’s blog the other day, but do you think TWTR would be the social media target if Ackman/Icahn try to enter the space?
if YGE is bad, TWTR is a sh1tter. that thing is in the dumps.
i can’t see ackman/ichan enter the social media space for some reason
ES sell hit at 59 +12. Holding the TZA. Hard to find any buys at the moment.
Can’t find a damn thing out there…
OA, my confidence is low. YGE disgustingly MCPeed all over me. If Aversion feels like bruised testicles, I’m experiencing it now…
haha. this has got to be a low in sentiment right? I’ve honestly never felt this frustrated and loss of hope ever. Not even in 2011.
I played this one when MCP did it to me, why not spin it again for the YGE.. The Mentors-Golden Showers: http://youtu.be/lkTqOf8SeLE
bought some June calls in RYL…maybe not easy, but easy to manage. not exactly swinging for the fences since it is a June call, but I’m just taking a stab at something.
Covered my X short for a 3.5% gain. Yesterday sold DHI long for 3% and felt like it was a piss in the wind but today together with X I did make a week out of it.
Impressive. Hat tip.
$VXX, $TVIX what jokes, look at their returns versus the $VIX.
Gotta go with UVXY options to get the juice.Remember to sell on spikes.Too late to buy now though.Gonna sell my May 60’s today, not to you I hope!
Aversion must come out of my fingertips as everything i touched recently went down.Seems my only wins come when i bet against the market.I think the signs were there as far as the market “s concerned and i(we) ended up playing too many yesterdays trades.
Jeff.you talked alot about macro and EEM, Oil,etc,but i think it was like turning the Titanic.Our reactions to changing conditions were too slow.
For most, that type of stuff doesn’t excite people. We were pounding the table on an energy rotation in November. Nobody really cared at the time, because it wasn’t exciting.
Lol I should’ve sold YGE on a huge gain when it was at $7 but you know what? Fuck it. Not a massive position and it’s a secular play, and we’re in a cyclical bear environment for everything but especially Tech. I can understand if you have certain yearly goals to meet, etc. but if YGE is truly an *investment* are you really going to sell? Don’t see the largest manufacturer in an industry that captures less than 1% of the world’s energy market at the moment going away, especially when the solar spigot hasn’t even begun to wash over our dirty coal-rotted planet.
their debt to equity ratio is over 30x. that’s insane
The fundies are changing in this space. Look at what FSLR has done this year. The group is evolving.
This was debt accumulated due to a gluttony of supply, which their government has committed to consolidating. I know, who trusts China, but no one doubts their power to affect markets. YGE as well as TSLA have been labeled top tier, and weaklings like STP have been allowed to fail.
The trend is your friend in average sale prices which translate to gross margins. This is demand-related, and why I’m bullish. Like I said, solar isn’t even on the map yet.
Debt is an issue, and maybe YGE deserves a p/s ratio that’s 1/3 of “healthy” companies like CSIQ, but just know that if the fundies indeed change dramatically, the market is willing to give these companies a p/s of 1, easily, and we’ll see where it goes from there.
*TSL
sold half TZA + .83 Might dump it all on one more push down
just hold. u’ll make money. this market sux
What do you think of the gold miners in this mess and in particular AGI and GORO?
Funny, that was my main focus today was trading the miners.
We might be in for a meat grinder with no trend for a while. Most people are calling for new highs or the end of the world. Seems to me we might get the chop fest that everyone hates. Have to be quick and not greedy.
I would not take it, no. Only thing I am considering now is calls dated August or longer on the cheap.
the aversion phase has slayed the Fly. I’m in a bit of shock and disbelief right now.
yeh. he sold majority of his position and now at 90% cash.
I went to full cash. BIG ASS LOSSES.
One more push lower and I’m looking long.
dam, anyone seen that joke tim knights recent post? seems like he could potentially have been calling out his rival here.
does not seem that a lot of winners are in here….
$VHC is returning confidence quickly!
Sorry, that wasn’t intended for you ecchymosis.
Fuck you. Why show up to kick someone?
I’m not kicking anyone – just showing a big turnaround
i think he was referring to ripper
sry OA but when you run a service I have to attack you for losing money. why should I sign up then? maybe you can still convince me….
You must be looking for the next Bernie Madoff
Why even come around here? Kicking people when they are down… yeah, that’s makes us all want you to be a part of our team… Just go away!
are you a mole from the rival site??
I made these folks a great deal of money last year. I’m not doing much lately, so no reason to show up to pick a fight.
listen guys, I read through the comments and only see people being stuck and taking losses. then I ask myself why should I pay a guru that does not put out constantly winning trades? nothing against OA, but Im not impressed.
‘I made these folks a great deal of money last year. ‘ you are only good as your last trade. it does not matter what happened in the past.
Last time you called me out in my highest conviction trade, you were the one that got fag-boxed. Don’t forget that.
The majority of the trades called here are people talking their book, they have nothing to do with me. Fuck off.
ok you win sir.
but I wont sign up.
I’m not the guy trolling for your membership.
RSH up 5% rofl < when did that become a "safety"??
At one point down @ 20% for the week, hardly “safety”. They have a big wall to climb. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them be a name forgotten like Circuit City, even though BBY is maybe the more fair comparison…but I think BBY will be around awhile.
anyway, i’m in agreement with you…its one of those beaten down so much recently even on a day like today it couldn’t go down.
Let me preface this with I hate coal because of the Goberment, but I just picked up some $WLT thinking it may run some from the 7.42 level.
Out rest of TZA +.80
that was quick. i still have my QQQ puts on.
WX, I like it…buying before the bell.
crazy markets only really only down 1% for the year. scary
miners is the place to be. I’m in NUGT 37.6 and EXK 4.46
Jeff, thoughts on $HD? Liking the action since mentioned in AHWOA last week.
Very cheap calls, low beta…
People need to settle the fuck down. OA is a phenomenal trader, and everyone who’s followed him since the showed up can speak to that. Nut up and manage your own positions people. OA isn’t your nanny too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nh5CapYICg
strange, I can post here but not on Fly’s blog (no I didn’t get nasty on Sir Tropicana)
anybody else take a look at WX, yet? I bought based on the following. Longterm chart…stellar run in 2013, but has taken a breather in 2014. Shorter timeframe chart, I’m biased towards seeing this in a discouragement phase with Wall of worry up ahead. Earnings are coming up, but I took a stock position before the bell anyway. (thinking a tight stop just under the lows of 35.20, so I’ll probably set it for 35.10 or 35 even). Let’s make some $$ and protect our capital!
I had a bad feeling earlier this week about the market so I sold everything except YGE. Not sure why but I have a good feeling about it.
haha. YGE is nearing 52 week low. markets are near all time highs still.
It’s nice having a reprieve from the market. I did that last week and traded lightly this week…mostly selling winners mid-week and stepping into very little today…but at least a little bit to have something on. I think it’ll be great to have Fly with a fresh slate, too. If we’ve survived this long, we’re doing something right…staying small until the odds are ever in our favor 🙂
OA: I may be crazy, but I added to SINA at the end of trading. I get the impression the government crack down is a political shakedown that is being overblown in terms of likely outcome and impact on EPS. In China, it is more a cost of doing business. With their cash, the WB IPO and their investments in EJ, they look too attractive even with Chinese accounting. Your thoughts?
Exactly the reason I am building a position here. This stock will easily double.
Not receiving the email link to the webinars anymore. Obviously I could just be retarded and missed something. Anyone else still getting the email link?
ironbird – I’m still getting them.
Thanks Buccs.
I had this happen recently and had to re register with goto meeting. Somebody pasted me the link, but I think you can get there by logging into the AHWOA page and clicking the orang bar or some S.
Jeff,
I noticed the troll busting your chops. You are easily one of the best stock pickers I have seen. RC and Chess are great too. Chess deserves a lot of credit of late with his calls (I should have been as cautious). He nailed the sell off in biotech. This has been one of the most challenging markets I have seen in 20 years in a very compressed time frame. Bear markets may shock you, but you can usually see them coming: exuberant retail buying the double top that fails with economic issues brewing. Parabolic moves will likewise sharply correct. I don’t buy the whole Einhorn bubble theory, but the ferocity and speed of repricing the high growth names has been fairly startling. I would have expected a robust bounce to a failing double top to see the no bid selling we are seeing. As depressing as this all is, I try to remember how quickly sentiment has and will again change. The economic backdrop has not really changed and earnings have been fairly good. Have a great weekend.
I want to buy $MSFT but the fucker was
up todayof all days.I was even willing
to break my no buys on Friday rule.Maybe next week.
All out with several fresh haircuts except for URRE, which may stop out Monday morning. WTF. Nonetheless, AHWOA has been the best investment I’ve made in the last year, period. Thanks Jeff.
Db6: I’m liking SINA too, just have to wait till a red envelope of sufficient weight and prositutes of adequate depravity are supplied by SINA to the regulator busting their balls – then the current issues should fade away.
Dchanko,
Lmao. Thanks. Longs need a little humor and reassurance right now. SINA FV should be $6B (flush with cash and invested in EJ as well as WB) with a $3B mkt cap in one of the biggest and fastest growing economies (even now) in the world.
These”crackdowns” on porn are an annual affair. Political shakedowns, Chinese style. Here they are political contributions for the next campaign.
Hoping for a bottom soon
P.S. To dchanko: I suspect that regulator will also need to review more…evidence. To be sure of course that the masses are protected from such depravity.
I want to address the comments by ripper. I am a subscriber and I am up for the year due to the service provided by Jeff. His picks have made me a lot of money in the first 2 months of membership. Each person is responsible for their own trades. I am not trying to get you to sign up for his service. I just don’t think you should paint with such a wide brush. I met one of his subscribers who made 100% in 2013. The chat and live sessions a chock full of investment ideas led by Jeff. There are seasoned traders and rookies (like myself). I wish everyone success and profits in this game. It’s sad to hear about people losing money. No need to bring the salt.
This year has just been so tough. I’ve reverted non-directional trading, i.e., straddles, strangles, etc. right before earnings. Just trying to scalp 10-20% on IV spikes, gamma movement, etc. Working quite well, but I can’t wait to see OA get back in a groove so I can try to make some big money.
jeff…you have my support…we made tons of cash in the past..we will do it again
this pre market sell off in the miners (NUGT) could be a gift if your looking to get in. I have a stop to sell half at 41.8. Be back after 1pm.
GOGO trying desperately to hold that inverse H&S and confirm discouragement.
so i heard a few common folk at a restaurant talking about “needing to buy medical marijuana stock” yesterday. Found that interesting.
seems criminal what happend to PHOT a la muddy waters to NQ. Oh well, 70% discount from highs is something I can get behind.
Guess I could have waited till this morning for WX, but at least it came down to where I thought support was and successfully tested it. Close to stopping out, but that’s why you have to give it some wiggle room…or be even more precise on entries…so the heat isn’t as bad.
I hate this market
Let’s go homies! This is YOUR time! You were meant to be green…ev’ry one of you. Now go out there and take it!
Solar and china sux balls
I’m finding difficulty in finding appetizing setups as well; which, for me, means stay lean. I’m amazed by TSO, ALJ, WNR…they’ve run, taken a few days pause at best, and continue to do well…but who is buying them here unless you are daytrading with a stop on it. Meanwhile NOV taking heat today, and OAS continues to flag. Lastly VLO, potential breakout even higher…impressive, but lofty unless you play a tight stop
Figured I’d post my low beta calls and puts I bot this morning…lol
PEP June $90 calls (Cheap)
RCL May $50 puts
Nothing exciting just trying to find a winner…lol
do any of you realize it’s ok to not be levered long in these momo garbage stocks? how about actually going short? another vestige of day traders about to get carried out in body bags
Hey man, we said the same to you shorting the market all the way up last year. Not sure you’re the right guy to be giving advice around here.