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China Escalates Trade War : “On 1-10 Scale, It’s An 11”

Random shots post.

Trump is accusing China of manipulating their currency.

The Yuan is down 1.6% v the dollar today.

The US 10yr is down 10bps to 1.75%!

Gold +1.5% to $1,480

The Euro is +0.8% vs the dollar because the assumption is more Fed cuts.

BTC is +11% because people fear capital flight out of China.

A view from Wall Street.

Cowen, Chris Krueger

Krueger called China’s retaliation “massive,” adding that “on a scale of 1-10, it’s an 11.” He cited the Chinese government calling on state buyers to halt U.S. agricultural purchases, while there’s “increased anecdotal evidence that the Chinese government is tightening its overview of foreign firms.”

“While there were measures that could have been chosen with larger direct effects on supply chains, the announcements from Beijing represent a direct shot at the White House and seem designed for maximum political impact,” Krueger said. “ We expect a quick (and possibly intemperate) response from the White House, and consequently expect a more rapid escalation of trade tensions.”

“There now will be increased expectations that the Fed will cut again in September to offset the drag caused by this escalation in the trade war,” he added. “Such moves will only be a partial, lagged offset to the recessionary headwinds a cycle of retaliation would cause.”

BMO, Ian Lyngen

“The wait is over for those wondering how Beijing would respond to Trump’s recent tariff announcement,” BMO said. “The result: the yuan was allowed to depreciate well beyond 7.0.”

Instructing state-owned Chinese firms to halt U.S. crop purchases triggered “the obligatory flight-to-quality,” which pushed 10-year yields to 1.74%, with two-year yields keeping pace. That was “an impressive move that suggests August will not experience the traditional summer doldrums. Who needs vacation anyway?”

“The most significant unknown at this moment,” Lyngen added, “is how much further the yuan will be allowed to fall given that it’s already the weakest since 2008.”

Morgan Stanley, Betsy Graseck (bank analyst)

Bank investors’ eyes were “glued to the yield curve last week,” with Trump’s tariff tweet on Thursday, Graseck wrote in a note. They’re now asking about Morgan Stanley’s net interest margin (NIM), outlook.

Graseck didn’t change her NIM assumptions — yet. “We bake one additional cut of 25 basis points in 2019 in-line with our economist, and bake in the 10-year at 1.75% by mid 2020,” she wrote. She’ll update NIM and earnings per share estimates “if it looks like these trade tariffs are going through as September approaches.”

Morgan Stanley, Michael Zezas (policy strategist)

“The dynamics of U.S.-China negotiation and macro conditions mean the next round of tariffs will likely be enacted, and investors are likely to behave as if further escalation will follow in 2019 until markets price in impacts,” Zezas wrote. “This supports our core view of weaker growth and skews the Fed dovish.”

Zezas sees incentives for the U.S. to escalate quickly. If the administration “understands the Fed’s trade policy reaction function, then it may also perceive that a more rapid escalation could deliver one or more of three beneficial points ahead of the 2020 election: 1) A quicker, potentially more aggressive Fed stimulus response that could help the economy heading into the election; 2) More time to re-frame the potential economic downside; and 3) A major concession by China (not our base case, but it is, of course, a possibility).”

Veda, Henrietta Treyz

“The U.S. and China are moving into one of their most aggressive phases yet in the year-plus long trade war and we fully expect things to escalate from here,” Treyz wrote in a note.

Treyz added that China’s ability to quickly adjust their currency is an advantage they have over the U.S. that “goes to the heart of the issue for the Trump administration.” The administration may view China’s communist regime as a “systemic advantage” versus “free markets and democracy” in the U.S., as the Chinese can “subsidize domestic industry, quickly, enact lower tax rates and provide stimulus.”

Furthermore, her conversations with Republicans point to the belief that “China’s economy is on the brink of collapse,” she said, with turmoil in Hong Kong “considered evidence of an organic domestic uprising that many believe the Chinese government cannot contain.” Republicans may also believe Trump will “galvanize” his base behind him, while attracting “anti-trade and union Democrats in the Rust Belt as he takes on the mantle of a war time president going into 2020 by engaging in this trade war.”

(Updates shares in 2nd paragraph. Adds analyst comment from Veda.)

–With assistance from Ryan Vlastelica.

Markets are -2.5%, terrible, but not end of days decline. This could very well be the beginning of an extended drop too, however, so be on guard for another leg lower into the close.

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8 comments

  1. juice

    and Trump’s ploy of picking on the poor Chinese will force the Fed’s hand, thus Trump will get what he wanted

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  2. roguewave

    far east update
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwuraVduoRM

    ps glad I’m not a “no coiner”

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  3. fxtradepro

    this is how this plays out….more fed easing and chicanery from washington, dollar devaluation/destruction, rampant inflation in energy, food, and various consumer products, the avg american = fucked. I’ll be long this trade headed into the fall. Gold/Silver bugs and Bitcoin fags….the best is on deck.

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  4. skunkbuttstew

    GOLD, Bitchezz!!

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  5. mx2101

    Who in China is hurt? Doesn’t China take the 200 year view as opposed to the 15 month view? Would China have a problem putting its common people in misery, if this furthers manifesto destiny of the dynasty?

    Perceived Chinese systemic economic advantage sounds like unmasked modern monetary theory. Absolute control of currency and markets by the political party in control. What can go wrong?

    Dictatorship must seem like a great thing when your side is in power. I think millions of Americans have not connected the dots. It’s all great, until things change, and they come after you.

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    • numbersgame

      The Chinese gov’t has no problem sinking its people in misery – just as long as they can still maintain control. NK provides an example of just how miserable you can hold your citizens (with no revolt) with the right propaganda and complete control of all media. However, China is much less isolated and their ownership of prosperous Hong Kong actually makes it much harder for their propaganda machine to demonize Western ideas.

      This is a double wahmmy for the Chinese masses. Cutting food imports means higher prices for one of life’s basic essentails and a weaker Yuan multiplies this inflationary effect. Starving people do not make for a contetn population, so China has to be careful here.

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  6. numbersgame

    This is a pure panic move.

    The latest move is a big hit to exporters, especially in agriculture and other major exporters (chemicals, fertilizers, heavy equipment manufactures, autos. However, a weaker Yuan help US Consumers as well as US importers such as retailers: Chinese products are now much cheaper. The only way this move hurts Consumers is if it leads to a drop in US employment (due to manufacturing layoffs).

    So the fact that all companies including retailers (Walmart sales: $80B in US, $3B in China last quarter) are being hit equally hard tells us that the Chinese move is simply a *trigger*, not the cause of the market drop.

    Interest rates continue to drop as I have predicted they would for months (on this blog), but even I am surprised at the pace. I’ll sell another large batch if the 30-year hits 2 1/4.

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