Western nations are on a suicidal path towards oblivion. The liberal policies that afford the benefit of the doubt to people who want to behead their men and enslave their women will lead to more deaths, destruction, and denigrate an otherwise enlightened peaceful way of life.
Turkey arrested one of the ‘attackers’ in 2015, on the border of Syria. They knew he was a fuckhead. They warned the Belgian government of this fact and they, in turn, did nothing. The pole smokers in Brussels said they couldn’t tie him to a terrorist organization, so they let him go.
Really?
Erdogan told a news conference that Bakraoui was detained in the southern Turkish province of Gaziantep near the Syrian border and was later deported to the Netherlands. Turkey also notified Dutch authorities, Erdogan said.
A Dutch government official said Erdogan’s comments were “being carefully looked into,” but that they could not yet say if El Bakraoui had been in the Netherlands.
“One of the attackers in Brussels is an individual we detained in Gaziantep in June 2015 and deported. We reported the deportation to the Belgian Embassy in Ankara on July 14, 2015, but he was later set free,” Erdogan said.
“Belgium ignored our warning that this person is a foreign fighter.”
Turkey insists that they provided the carpet eaters in Brussels with ample evidence to detain Ibrahim El Bakraoui; but they opted to for the multiculturally correct path–which in turn led to 34 dead and 250 injured.
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It is important to have realistic levels of fear. The Belgians should have been more afraid of this terrorist. And G W Bush and his fellow neocons should have been far less afraid of non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
America’s unlearned lesson: the forgotten truth about why we invaded Iraq
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/16/11022104/iraq-war-neoconservatives
Jesus Christ amen. That is a prayer from an agnostic to the fucking lord god that you grow a brain. At some point. Take your time. lol
The media and the pundits. The new normal. You know because it would hurt “trade” the fuck? The new normal. Go to a train station. Every now and then get blown to bits. Fuck that bullshit. Trump 2016. .
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We can be politically correct and fools OR we can make be great again.
Radical Islam, a political movement disguised as a religion, is at war with the West. Yet our leaders in Washington don’t want to think about this as a war but as a criminal justice problem. Well, keep thinking that and in a few years there will be many more tragedies ahead.
There is something to the idea that this is politics, not religion. Islam is very unlike the contemporary Western idea of religion– where as an adult you can choose it, or choose to leave it if you want. The whole idea of having a religion that in some countries people can’t leave it without being executed for that, is very much power politics.
The criminal justice point of view does have some merit too, though. Wars are between nations. These movements are not official acts of a nation’s government. Nations often have ISIS groups inside their country but don’t want them there and are fighting them to the death. ISIS is even more at war with the M.E. countries and Africa than it is with the West.
The Islamic State said they’d flood Europe with migrants in early 2015. Lo and behold…
Now they said they have 400 killers ready to detonate themselves all over europe. CONNECT THE DOTS and stop being a moron. You know I tolerate your opposing views. But, please, do not call this a criminal justice issue. These people believe women are less than dogs. In their countries, women aren’t permitted to drive. You’re weaving the rope that will be used to hang you.
Just like President Trump, they don’t think ALL women are less than dogs, just Rosie O’Donnell….
I am simply talking about definitions, not solutions. I don’t understand what the problem is with calling this a criminal justice issue. Wars traditionally are between nations, not between ideological movements and nations. This is something different.
If you call this a criminal justice issue, and you are in Belgium, you could choose to keep a criminal out of your country.
This issue obviously means something additional that you haven’t said yet. What actions/solutions are you thinking it leads to, to call this a criminal justice issue? What actions are you thinking it leads to, to call this a war?
The way I see it, in a war you have 2 militaries of 2 or more countries, and one is your own country’s military and there are rules of how war is conducted. This is not that.
Frog, a criminal justice matter requires due process and all that shit. Add in these European countries all being leftist, self-defeating wimps, and you get what happened with the guy at issue here. War requires adhering only to a country’s laws regarding the same, as well as to international treaties on war crimes.
I’m not a right-winger either — I’m to the right of you, but in the middle on most stuff — but I think the desire to avoid the “criminal justice” labeling is driven by an intent to brand these combatants as enemies to be killed or captured and interrogated, rather than arrested and released, and to be able to do some more aggressive things militarily instead of waiting to be murdered by these guys.
If this is a war, it is an ideological war for hearts and minds, rather than a war between nation states. Somehow ISIS is converting people’s hearts and minds to their side and getting them to commit criminal acts. A war would be easier, actually. You would know what country you are fighting against, and the war would be limited to a certain area.
To me, to call it a war makes it sound simpler to deal with than it actually is.
I don’t watch/read/listen to Right Wing media. So unless someone informs me here, I don’t know the code for what “Don’t call this a criminal justice issue” actually means to you folks.
@frog
Trying to figure out what sort of way this is or not is a fundamental waste of time.
Makes no difference , you have perps and we know their Method of operation. They actually tell us before they do it.
Stopping it is priority one for common people.
However, what do you do when you find out this is happening by design. Shit, we let these freaks get rich on stolen oil. They have all our weapons. What’s going on here?
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Chuck bennett
Good points, Chuck.
It seems that we have gone into the Middle East to try to help the “good guys” to fight the “bad guys.” But then we ended up arming and training people who already were terrorists or became terrorists.
Perhaps the U.S. should stop being the world’s biggest arms dealer and stop giving or selling arms to everybody and their brother, who will then come and kill us with them.
That seems like a very good question, why is it we allow them to get rich on stolen oil?
In the Foreign Policy Association class video, there was a guy there saying that high net worth people within Saudi Arabia, but not the government, support ISIS. ISIS exists because certain people want it there, and they are not necessarily saying so out loud.
We think of ISIS as a problem for everybody, because it is a problem for us. But for others, it is a solution, and we need to figure out who and how.
Having read the FPA materials on the M.E., it seems that we need to learn more about the area and not jump to conclusions that we know what is going on. There is a lot to be gained by lying in civil wars and other violent conflicts, so what is going on is different than what it appears to be on the surface. In a civil war, everyone will tell you that their enemy is your enemy in the U.S. too, even if they are not. If they can get the U.S. to take out their enemies, that works for them. But not necessarily for the U.S., which ends up fighting pointlessly in someone else’s civil war.
Here is an interesting article I found on Vox about little known aspects of the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the U.S.
How Saudi Arabia captured Washington
America’s foreign policy establishment has aligned itself with an ultra-conservative dictatorship that often acts counter to US values and interests. Why?
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/21/11275354/saudi-arabia-gulf-washington