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18 years in Wall Street, left after finding out it was all horseshit. Founder/ Master and Commander: iBankCoin, finance news and commentary from the future.
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The People of Wall Street

Most of my dealings with persons of disinterest online have to do with people who’ve been wrong on the markets since 2009, bankrupt 3 times over shorting the markets, with extreme bones to pick with anyone and everyone who are long equities. This, of course, is nothing new in the world of speculation. It’s just that the shit throwers have a larger microphone to spew their rhetoric.

Chartists like to default on the lines on a graph as a reason to buy or sell stocks. Those lines are usually based on something fundamental. The chartists are either too busy or lazy to figure out why, so they chalk it up to “volume explosions” and “price explosions”– for breaching the holy and sanctimonious moving averages.

The fundamentalists are the brains on Wall Street. They do the numbers and sometimes get harangued by momentum moves, which defy most of the tenets of value investing. Their investments are often methodical, slow, but highly efficient.

The last part of Wall Street are the short sellers, which are broken into two distinct parties. The first are the value guys turned dark side, like Jim Chanos and at times David Einhorn. Although they are looking to destroy companies, there is usually a reason for their disdain, e.g. fraud, bubble, fad, etc.

The other part of the short seller cabal are the shit throwers. They cling to religious ideas behind their selling. They sell because a stock is up, or because insiders sold a little, or because a lock up expiration looms, or because a certain stock is popular, so they simply hate on it and short it. A perfect example of these people are the ones who insisted on selling short AAPL, right before the iPhone 6 release.

Clearly, there were better names to short, ones without $150 billion in cash, trading at extreme value levels. But they had to sell it because others liked it–peacocking all the way towards a tax loss. These people are trolls, vagrants, perverts, alcoholics, and gluttonous pigs!

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58 comments

  1. xxxhuggiebearxxx

    I have taken a drubbing these last few days. Particularly in the emerging markets…i was supposed to sell monday but thought i would get a sellable bounce. Bad idea.

    So where do you think the GPRO bottom is? At the moment it doesn’t appear there is one.

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    • Dr. Fly

      Shut up

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      • xxxhuggiebearxxx

        Not tweaking you just curious…it has been a sight to behold.

        But not worse than EARL. Who wudda thought crude and go pro were so tightly correlated.

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        • Dr. Fly

          GPRO is an oil stock.

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          • the profit

            You see, the biggest buyer of GPRO cameras were the wildcatters – who attached it to their heads while drilling. They document their exploits to share with their friends in less desolate places.

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          • xxxhuggiebearxxx

            hahhahaha to the both of you….good stuff

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          • juice

            GPRO is untouchable until near the next lockup expiration date Dec 23, when another 100 million shares will be available for sale .. the last lockup a month ago, only released 12 million shares

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  2. gapfiller

    Fundamentalists definitely seem to win out over time, but when a multiple can easily go from 14 to 20 (and back), there’s a lot of room for short- and medium-term pain.

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  3. ironbird

    Senor Fly. What do you make of the who’s who of talking heads all hitting the bricks of late? Seriously every head ever. Even the ones with glass eyes, fake hair, bad plastic surgery,and serious inability to speak properly. Why now?.

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    • Dr. Fly

      Speak english please.

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      • ironbird

        The financial television has been flooded with the titans of investing lately. The who’s who of CNBC talking heads. They are all bullish and have not been on the television recently. Why are they all doing the rounds now?

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        • Dr. Fly

          To prop up markets. There isn’t an upside for the country to have markets going down. I do not understand why short sellers can’t grasp this.

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          • BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
            BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

            You do realize that short sellers do not cause markets to go down.

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          • Dr. Fly

            They exacerbate the short term movements of the markets. Do not think for a second there isn’t a such thing as short raid.

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          • BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
            BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

            In an individual stock yes, In the stock market as a whole no. At tops there is an absence of short sellers and the buyers dry up. There is no cabal causing the market to go down.

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          • ironbird

            Agree, but they could be looking for a buyer as well. Some of these people are from way back. The moth balls had to be taken off the suits.

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          • smartestone

            i wouldn’t mind a huge crash because that would be a great buying opportunity

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  4. rangersfan

    Jezus x-rist, if I hear another freaking suit on the Tee Vee say the drop in oil is a blessing to the 99%, my head is going to explode. Just like how every other suit has been warning about higher rates the past three yrs lol ! What a joke.

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    • Dr. Fly

      The higher rates talk is pure shit. The lower oil talk is also shit. While we might benefit from cheap oil long term, there will be an adjustment period.

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  5. the shiek

    Fly, do you know any programmers that create black boxes? Can they really build a better mouse trap?

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  6. xxxhuggiebearxxx

    I AM CALLING A BOTTOM IN OIL….RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW.

    LOAD EM UP

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    • xxxhuggiebearxxx

      and that means GPRO too, obviously.

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    • ironbird

      Agree. Crude is the tell of implosion. It must bottom now. What do you make of the “shale revolution” “we are Saudi Arabia” being spun into “low gas is a boom”. The horseshit never ends.

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    • newbalance

      huggie, you been drinkin?

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    • the profit

      Crude is going to 50 before it bottoms and ends at 60. It has been ordained by the Saudis — in order to crush our friends in ND and our enemies in Russia. They *are* the marginal producer… and can swing prices however the fuck they want. They are the Fed of oil… do you really want to fight them?

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  7. gorby

    Fly are you putting us to work again.
    No more funnies for you.

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  8. rangersfan

    Crude Oil looks like death, on the daily, weekly, and monthly charts. Unless there is some chatter of lower production from the Saudi Fed, I only see this going to low 50s high 40s for resolution before we have any chance of a reversal higher. No position.

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  9. rangersfan

    No doubt there will be some nervous folks manning the trading terminals for crude futures, debt, equity, and derivatives of related energy securities. Fat finger anyone?!

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  10. the shiek

    2.81% 30 year T-Bond yield should be scaring the hell out of you people

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  11. mtpennybags

    Why the fuck would you want to be long if the market is going to hell? There’s a difference between short sellers who short because they hate and short sellers who short because something is obviously about to drop and they want to profit from such a blatantly obvious opportunity $GPRO.

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  12. Dr. Fly

    Mtpenny

    You are being disingenuous. You were dying when gpro was 85. I remember it vividly. Hindsight is indeed 20-20 here, isn’t it?

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    • mtpennybags

      I was only dying because I didn’t have enough margin, If I had your kind of cushion I would’ve been adding to my position every $10 pop

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      • Dr. Fly

        exactly my point. Had you known the exact and immediate destination of GPRO, you would have managed it better. Do not pretend to have discovered the God particle. You caught a wave. Humble yourself.

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        • mtpennybags

          True, all I knew was it was going to go down sometime around December 22nd. Did not expect an orchestrated short squeeze. There are too many variables to predict the future with absolute certainty, but you can use some common sense and fundamental knowledge about basic Supply/Demand Economics to make an educated guess. http://www.bigskyinvestments.com/blog/certainty

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  13. alf44

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    … filled up today like it’s 1999 !!!

    $2.10 / gallon !!!

    😉

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    • alf44

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      … I thought about “Fly’s gas station chum” !

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      • alf44

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        … based on Fly’s “gas station chum” anecdote … back in mid October …

        …”The Fly” … wrote a compelling Blog about how we should ALL take a look @ $PTRY …

        … to my knowledge the stock hasn’t been mentioned since !

        —–

        Fast Forward … today $PTRY is UP + 20% since that post !!!

        —–

        Sometimes we’re so busy GIVING advice … we don’t LISTEN to our own advice !!!

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  14. ric_flair

    It doesn’t matter if you pick the bottom on oil! You have been conditioned to think that what goes down must go up, as if that wasn’t asinine to begin with!

    Oil may bottom at 55, 50, 45 – doesn’t matter. Cheap oil is here to stay. There will be no rocket ship rally. We have the Sauds nuts in a vice grip. The gov will reap benefits when they increase gas taxes in 2015. Obviously some poorly positioned companies will go belly up. The simple fact is the tech is here to make money at $60 a barrel. Surplus barrels a day is set to DOUBLE in 2015. Not because the consumption isn’t there. US of Oil, bitches.

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  15. smartestone

    if shorting AAPL is so stupid, why not go long AAPL? Usually what happens stocks crash when wall st. fears competition and or loss of revenue, regardless of how much cash the company has on hand.

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  16. philbert

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again balt and all shippers are done. It was horrible call ignoring all facts especially that they failed to run with the last spike in rates. The ship brokers are cited as saying there is a complete and total lack of any sort of demand. It’s no longer efficient to ship coal or most other product for that matter. Globalization has shifted to localization and the retarded ship owners just keep on ordering new builds. It’s actually criminal that they are allowed to go public.

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  17. bruce keller

    $GPRO looking pretty good pre-market. Just pre-market though, on volume I could produce. 😀

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  18. zheeeem

    My local gas station is giving away a GPRO camera free with every fill-up.

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  19. traderconfessions

    My local station should be providing strippers at the pumps at 3.59/gallon.

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