Thanks to a hit piece in Barron’s…
Early in the year, my boss Randall Forsyth wrote in this space about some pretty scary Pimco closed-end fund premiums. As investors scrounge too recklessly for yield, they paid $150 for $100 in assets in some cases, or even $175.
Yep, this problem is still around. Jacqueline Doherty reviews the CEF bidding in this weekend’s edition of Barron’s, finding that too many investors are still blinded by 6% or 10% distribution yields. “At best, these funds harbor risks that investors ought to know about and understand,” she writes. “A[t] worst, the high yields are luring buyers at the wrong moment, when the funds are in danger of falling sharply in value.”Herewith the culprits, all of whom give investors fat distributions: Pimco High Income Fund (PHK) still trades at a 70% premium to net asset value. Pimco Global StocksPLUS & Income Fund (PGP) is at 68%. Pioneer High Income Trust (PHT) is 37% above NAV. All three funds are selling off by anywhere from 1.5% to 3.5% Monday in the wake of the article.
Those are extreme examples. The milder strain of the disease is everywhere, as Doherty explains. “Sixty-six percent of taxable bond funds and 73% of municipal-bond funds trade above NAV now, versus roughly 30% both a year ago and in 2006, before the financial crisis, according to Thomas J. Herzfeld Advisors, a closed-end specialist based in Miami Beach.”
It’s not as if investors can claim they didn’t know the dangers. Trouble has happened before. From the article:
The Gabelli Utility Trust (GUT) traded at a 70% premium to NAV just before it announced on Aug. 19, 2010, that it was reviewing its distribution policy. Investors rightly interpreted that to mean a reduction was coming. The shares tumbled to $5.58 by the end of that month, from $8.18, and the premium shriveled to 15%. The fund now trades at $8.03, a 42% premium. Gabelli Utility has returned 9.5% annually since inception in 1999, assuming dividends were reinvested.
This is happening.
Old fuckers in wheeled chairs are being flung into oncoming traffic, courtesy of out of control price to NAV valuations. Anyone remember the TVIX debacle?
Other high income ETFs getting hit include RCS, DSU, PCN, PTY, PFL, PFN.
This is the sort of carnage I do not appreciate. I like to leave the bond/income people alone. Next thing you know, they are on the teevee declaring “credit crises”– things of that nature.
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I like making money, but I will not hurt people, or my country (no Obama) just for the sake of making it. People who are knowledgeable in finance and then use this to exploit the elderly or vulnerable are excrement who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
BANNED
I can’t take it anymore. I am talking about apples and you are discussing corn.
THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tea, please update us on the Senate race between Warren (no Sitting Bull) and Scott Brown in your area. You were keeping us up to date on the local polls but i haven’t heard much from you recently.
Thanks in advance
Warren was up about 5% before the Obama letdown and her own debate with Brown … last I saw she was trailing by 3% even though there was no clear winner and Brown did get booed on a few occasions … Round three tonight!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/01/6-takeaways-from-the-the-second-brown-warren-debate/
I call that chart “Fiscal Cliff.”
sseing it all the time. New offerings with high yields and leverage.
this will not end well.
ETFs exist so managers can make fees. Just buy the stocks and collect the div’s.
The TRUTH is that they are overvalued, but let’s narrow the focus. Looking through the history of PHK, this type of move has happened before without massive implications to broad equities (week of 6/6/11). The bond futures markets are still intact and have the Federal Reserve behind them. The Fed is at risk of losing credibility if their plan and rhetoric fail. The common man scoffs at that statement, but it is paramount to the Fed’s operations.
Those funds are seeking predictable yield after all. They could pose risks if pensions hold large swaths of the instruments. If they dump HY bonds then that leaves them little place else to invest because they are so nervous about the fiscal situation (no equities). So maybe it’s just dump it now and hopefully get back in a better price. It doesn’t seem like their actions are affecting the overall bond market and thus credit in general.
One can view the premium or discount to NAV of a CEF at http://www.cefconnect.com
This also occurred in 2003-2005:
More Fed bubbles from Helicopter Ben and Osama Bin Greenspaden.
Bill Gross is a slimy douchebag.
WNR getting punished because Chevron announced that slumping oil prices and production would cause earnings to be “substantially lower.” It blamed Hurricane Isaac for disrupting production at a Mississippi refinery. Crack spreads remain near their highs.
I added WNR today.
Why the fuck are these ETF’s even legal? Damn, it’s a hot/cold issue with me because I do love to trade them (who doesn’t like 6 sigma moves?), but jesus, what a racket.
“Uh, yes, I’ll take ‘100,000 shares of the financial instrument that’s only other means to liquidate, besides the open market, is my counter party’, for 1,000”
Shit, Shit, Shit, pattern on 10 Year notes looking suspicious.
http://youtu.be/LTmHS-T5dLA
Go lather yourselves in the coal
that chart is sexyyy
Gabelli is the biggest film-flam man since Madoff.