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Panic Aside, Are Stocks Cheap?

The market is pricing in some sort of great doom. You see it in the semis, even the oils. The market caps are not matching the current business prospects and have greatly discounted a wide variety of areas — anticipating a tight fed and subsequent recession.

In Stocklabs we measure valuation data for PE, PE, and PB going back to 1993. I can tell you with certainty — the market is “cheap” based upon current valuations. However cheap it might be, the numbers are not reflecting this great doom that is to come.

The median PS ratio for all stocks in our database is 1.92 — 2015 levels.
Median PE is 13.92, 2008 levels and before that 1993 levels.
PB is 1.41, again 2008 levels.

Here is a visual of the tech sector.

The scale of the drawdown for once upon a time high fliers is nothing less than staggering. Take for example the Canadian bellwether SHOP — once traded at 45x sales during the COVID stay at home fad. Now it trades 6x sales and based upon future sales estimates — it trades with a forward PS of 3.8x.

But here’s the issue with SHOP and many others like it.

Whilst they have over $5b in cash, $1b+ in debt, the market seems to be projecting a massive drawdown in Shopify’s cash horde and bleeding out of its business. If they’re bleeding out now with the general economy ok, what will their cash burn look like in 6 months if GDP is -3%?

Netflix is trading 3x 2023 sales. Consider they traded down to 1.5x in 2008, before thinking it’s historically cheap.

Lastly, INTC is trading 1.45x sales, cheapest I have on record. Back in 2008 it traded 1.79x. AMZN at 2.24x is way above its 2008 lows of 1.32x; but it’s a totally different company now with a large part of their business in cloud services. Speaking of the cloud, CRM is trading 4.8x sales way above 2008’s 3.53x. AAPL is still extremely expensive compared to 2008, 5.7x v 2.4x sales.

And JPM is cheap at 1.13x book. But during the financial crisis markdowns of 2008 — it traded down to 0.5x and traded below 1x book all the way to 2016.

In summary, we are without question pricing in a sharp economic decline. The valuation of the overall market is cheap. However when looking at the monopolies we now have — stocks can go significantly lower if we are to get down to 2008 panic levels. I’d argue against the need to trade down to 2008 levels, since the crisis we have today is less financial and more of the world ending varietal.

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16 comments

  1. bambam

    I recall some subscription just touting that SHOP was really cheap and had so much cash that $300 was a deal.

    LOL

    It’s a great deal now then right?

    PTON looks cheap but honestly they will be sold off or out of biz anyway and it’s back to the gym bike, real biking or using the bike without some $40 subscription.

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  2. soupbone

    For Jesus sakes, let them run. In this case down.

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  3. asteroids

    Lot’s of stonks are cheap, it’s the indices that are expensive.

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  4. bob smith

    On the other hand…

    Do a median price/revenue (PR) ratio of S&P index components and you will find that we are down from ~ 3.5 (peak 2020-2021) to only shy of 3.0 (present) after the decline from all time highs.

    In comparison, this ratio peaked in 2006-2008 at ~ 1.75 and in 2000-2002 barely reached 1.5

    We have a long way to go… down.

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    • rigged game

      I don’t give a fuck about your cited ratios.
      I told you to initiate a 3-day ALL-IN buying
      program (65% stock index funds 35% 2-yr
      Treasuries on Oct 13. NO single stocks.

      Monday is the third and final Buy Day.
      After that point you will have bought down
      to ZERO percent cash. You then just sit
      and wait till the second half of 2024.
      Then you SELL EVERYTHING, count
      your guaranteed gains of 10% to 30%,
      and go back to pissing away your gifted
      money using Fly’s frantic trading methods.

      Joe Brandon’s economy is GREAT and
      temporary inflation is a GIFT!

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      • roguewave

        “guaranteed” gain of 10% – 16.5% inflation = “temporary” loss: -6.5%

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      • Mr. Cain Thaler

        “Siri, I have just too much disposable income. How can I bankrupt myself by next May?”

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  5. roguewave

    Shadowstats current: 16.5%
    Other Magoo approval: 9%

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  6. Mr. Cain Thaler

    The S&P 500 is down 25% and the recession hasn’t even started yet.

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    • bob smith

      Average recessions last 300 days. By then, rigged game will be pushing up daisies after zeroing out his YOLO account and jumping off a bridge.

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    • rigged game

      Today is the final BUY BUY BUY BUY day.
      Go with LIMIT ORDERS on stock index funds
      and two-year treasuries.

      Prices will probably be lower later in the day.

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  7. soupbone

    Goodbye Chimerica. This will be very costly divorce.

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