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IS IT WISE TO SHORT INTO THE HOLE?

All we have are weapons and the stock market. Without them, we are nothing — meaningless fat slothful nation of racists and weirdos living in overpriced hellscapes. So the question I pose before you is simple, if not philosophic.

Is it wise to short or hold shorts into the hole?

Just a simple academic question from a deep thinker.

I closed out my TZA short today for a 4.7% overnight success and now hold a fuckload of cash, a few defensive positions, and one or two longs. If forced to make a move, I mean absolutely forced, I’d close my eyes and go long into the final hour of trade — with the intent to sell tomorrow.

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10 comments

  1. teslawasright

    Possibly a strangle LeLe Fly, no?

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    • numbersgame

      Personally I don’t think so. There’s been a few times I’ve thought about it and usually decided the options were too expensive (check out the VIX…). On SPY, your break-even is a 1.5-2% move. Even when I profited, it really wasn’t that much. Remember, options are priced based on the expected move of the underlying stock/ETF.

      The current two-day move is still not big enough to expect either a V-recovery or further downside for a third straight day. Maybe an intraday plunge+recovery, but I don’t see a 2% up day without a catalyst.

      Here are the Oct 04 SPY prices near the money:
      287P 1.82
      288P 2.28
      288C 1.63
      289C 1.16

      I’ll update it at the close tomorrow and again on Friday

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      • alty

        Save yourself the trouble

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      • numbersgame

        Here are the Oct 04 SPY prices near the money:
        287P 0.39
        288P 0.57
        288C 3.04
        289C 2.27

        So the 287P/289C strangle lost 11%
        and the 288 straddle lost 7.6%.

        Now if you managed to nail the intra-day plunge and recovery that I successfully predicted, you would have made money. Question is would you/did you sell at the right time or would you have expected a bigger move/follow through?

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    • spaceman

      I couldn’t agree more! tesla and numbers and their numbo-jumbo (get it?!?!) Dusty coins lying in a vault cost 0.5% per year. Capital appreciation over the next 5+ years gold 15+% per year silver 30+% per year!

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  2. ferd

    President about to speak. Maybe he’ll announce the best, most perfect, trade deal ever – – or offer to buy Lapland.

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  3. WrongView

    At this point, I don’t think POTUS wants to stop a stock market drop.

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    • omfgitsjd

      My all time favorite response to a market decline was Reagan’s during the 87 crash, “Maybe some people seeing a chance to grab a profit, I don’t know.”

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  4. flea

    dad’s favorite song …

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  5. soupbone

    Far from over here. Not a pro ‘business as usual’ atmosphere at all. Tra-La-La-La.

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