There’s a disruption in the Matrix.
Turkey has been in the middle of all the recent Russo-America drama for over a year. When Russia first entered the Syrian war, Turkey shot down a Russian fighter. Then there was a failed coup. Then, all of a sudden, Turkey found courage and entered the Syrian war to support American interests. Then Russia’s ambassador was killed while giving a press conference.
Now this.
While talking to reporters, the Presiden of Turkey, an ally of the United States, member of the all important and cherished NATO, said he had evidence that proved America had supported ISIS and other terror groups in the region.
“They were accusing us of supporting Daesh [Islamic State],” he told a press conference, according to Reuters.
“Now they give support to terrorist groups including Daesh, YPG, PYD. It’s very clear. We have confirmed evidence, with pictures, photos and videos.”
This is something I’ve talked about here for the past year. This revelation isn’t all that shocking, but the source sure is.
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Ob and Kerry allowing un to recognize palestine has put in place the final mechanism for civil nuclear conflict in the middle east. I can see cnn blaming trump and demanding impeachment. Fucking sickening.
Israel snub not getting enough coverage. Easily could open what was predicted as full middle east conflict 2nd stage after Syria. Russia would be drawn in. Israel would be drawn in. obama facilitating both. obama trojan horse.
So the president of Turkey is some kind of upstanding democratic individual? Why believe what he says? Oh, that’s right, he’s bashing Obama, and everyone who bashes Obama is believed, and is considered great by Trump supporters. There is nothing more important than bashing Obama.
I see that you folks plan to continue bashing and blaming Obama, for the entire Trump presidency. Uglyflint already has his conspiracy theory that says how Obama can be blamed for what Trump does wrong.
Obama is a lame duck. Once Jan. 21st comes, Obama will have no power, and Trump will have to accept responsibility for whatever direction he leads the country in– if any. Since he contradicts himself so much, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were no consistent direction at all there.
Why would Obama, allow the non veto, of an anti Israel un resolution?
(which itself was presented without much warning or notice)
Maybe Obama agreed with some of the things that are in the resolution. These situations are complex. Everything is not black/white– either everything is pro-Israel or anti-Israel. Israel itself contains warlike factions and more peace oriented factions.
Obama Allows Toothless UN Resolution Against Israeli Settlements to Pass
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/23/obama-allows-toothless-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-to-pass/
“In a press call Friday afternoon, White House Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes explained that the White House abstained on the resolution because it “expresses a consensus international view on Israeli settlement activity.”
“We thought that we could not in good conscience veto a resolution that expressed concerns about the very trends that are eroding,” Rhodes explained “a two-state solution.”
Apparently, Obama believes that letting the resolution pass is more likely to lead to peace in the area.
Now maybe Obama is wrong, and maybe he’s right, about that.
But no one likes peace when Obama talks about it, only when Trump talks about it. Because Obama bashing seems to be more important than peace to most folks here– more important than anything, really.
obama a lame duck after what he did Friday ? Nice try froggie.
Frog – It is not about whether it is true or not. It is about the fact that he is willing to say it. Your brain… I do not think it functions correctly.
But, for what it’s worth, considering that Erdogan definitely DOES work with ISIS and has bought oil from them for some time now, if anyone had the goods on US support of ISIS it would be him.
Be smarter.
I am smart. I just don’t agree with you. Does everyone have to agree with you for you to consider them smart or for you to admit that their brain functions as well as yours does?
As for him being willing to say it, I am sure that he is willing to say any lie, or any truth, which he thinks will preserve his own power or increase it. And we may not have all the information as to what would, or would not, preserve or increase the power of a foreign president, that has all kinds of different and shifting friend, enemy, and frenemy relationships with other nations.
Frog,
What don’t you agree with? That Turkey has been buying petro from ISIS or that if anyone had the goods on USA aiding ISIS it would be them. Since they have been aiding ISIS themselves ?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
I don’t know whether Turkey has been buying petrol from ISIS. Probably has though, from what I read. What they do or do not know about the U.S. doesn’t mean much to me. Because I do not trust Erdogan to be truthful. I do not expect Erdogan to tell the truth when he speaks– unless the truth will bring him more power.
He is as truthful as the USA. Could we be getting some truth? If so,
The truth can’t be a lie. Can it ?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Well, I don’t know about this case, but Obama is a twisted individual and is always suspect.
Yes, according to Right Wing news, Obama is the Anti-Christ himself.
Say right wingers again. I will come to your home and kick a mud hole in your head.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Even if the exact headline wasn’t accurate, We got this, I said it here late 2014
ISIS Run Out of U.S. Embassy in Turkey » Infowars …
Jun 29, 2014 – Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait have worked closely with the United States to push the Alawite Shi’a regime of Bashar al-Assad
http://www.infowars.com/isis-run-out-of-u-s-embassy-in-turkey/
By the way, obama also said he’s going to be sticking his skinny fucking ass in Trumps business after he leaves office. Also on Friday being a big bad ass saying he could of beat Trump. This a hole will never go away.
I think once Trump has office he will have plenty of retorts to Obama, if Obama chooses to open himself up for a “counterpunch.” Obama’s failure is real, and will only be easier to explain to people once he is out of office and Trump is in.
It’s as simple as, “Obama says XYZ, but what did he do in 8 years? Nothing. Sad!”
Yeah, that’s what’s important for a president– having plenty of retorts to what the previous president says. NOT.
What about Trump actually doing something constructive, once he is president? Is that important? Or do you folks only hate Obama but not actually like Trump, and not expect anything good out of Trump?
I don’t know what to believe anymore.
It’s simple. The business of the United States of America, for more than 100 years, has been stirring up wars around the planet and then arming both sides of the conflict. It’s all right in front of you. Start with “War is a Racket” by Smedly Butler, or just watch Ironman 3.
Plus 1
Smeldley Butler knew his stuff
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Well, the president of Turkey is not the best person to start with, when you decide to start believing things or people.
“War is a Racket” is a good book. The article and books on The Deep State that I have cited on previous threads are good reading here too.
Here are the references on the deep state i.e. the military/security/industrial/financial complex, which, some say, does not work for the pres. Proponents of the deep state theory say that the pres works for the deep state.
At Bill Moyers web site, an article and video
The Deep State Hiding in Plain Sight
February 21, 2014
http://billmoyers.com/episode/the-deep-state-hiding-in-plain-sight/
book
The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow GovernmentSep 13, 2016 by Mike Lofgren
https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Constitution-Shadow-Government/dp/0143109936/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482859434&sr=1-1&keywords=Deep+State
book
The American Deep State: Wall Street, Big Oil, and the Attack on U.S. Democracy (War and Peace Library) Oct 30, 2014
by Peter Dale Scott
https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482859434&sr=1-2&keywords=Deep+State
There, of course, is sometimes a president, who thinks that the Deep State works for him, not vice versa. If you do not remember your history about this, google John F. Kennedy and see how that worked out for him.
Why’s Turkey putting the US on blast? Did ISIS find a new buyer for their oil?
Who knows? One good reason it’s good to stay out of other countries’ business– We have no idea what is going on in Turkey. It’s hard enough to keep track of our own country’s actions.
Frog, to clarify above, I didn’t say anything about Trump blaming ob. I said cnn will blame trump for every bad thing that happens. For example, war in the middle east whose seed was planted by ob, clinton and kerry. thanks for listening.
Thanks for clarifying that, Uglyflint.
These issues are complex. Obama apparently thinks he is planting seeds of peace by not vetoing that resolution. I suppose time will tell about that, but no one knows for sure at this time.
Also, the writers of the reading materials on the Deep State, that I put above here in the thread, say that neither Obama nor Trump will have much influence over whether there is war in the Middle East, or over what the U.S. does in the Middle East. They allege that the Deep State tells the president what to do– not vice versa.
Frog, serious question, not bashing. Isn’t the Deep State exactly what Alex Jones is alway talking about ? If you’re not a listener, he is referring to this all the time.
It may be. I never listen but he is probably not wrong about everything.
However, the Right Wing conspiracy theorists like Jones always seem to point fingers at liberals, and very seldom, if ever, at conservatives or Republicans. So they cite the Clintons as part of the supposed elite conspiracy, and Obama– and maybe the Bushes, since they are no longer a factor in politics today. But far richer people like Trump, and other Republican billionaires or Republican crony capitalist corporate people, seem to never be included as villains in this supposed elite conspiracy to rule the world.
Conspiracy theorists do rail about the elite and claim it controls both parties. But when people are singled out for criticism, they seem to always be Democrats, not Republicans.
There is a lot of money supporting Republicans, because they are more the party of the rich and the mega-corporations than the Dems are– as you can see by Trump’s cabinet. So the GOP often does not mind conspiracy theorists– and may even support some of them, financially or otherwise– as long as all of their villains are Democrats.
Frog,
You should change your name to winged monkey.
Because you are all about the wings. Right wings and such. So Jones is bad because he doesn’t talk bad about the right wingers enough? Whatever the fuck a ” right winger” actually is. I’m thinking Neocons, you know, the ones who cause wars and supported Hilary 120%?
Since when do you even listen to this guy Alex Jones anyway?
You have know idea what you’re saying.
We have had 4 presidents. 2 dems and 2 “right wingers”. He has been against all 4. So how does that fit with what you’re trying to say? As a matter of fact, he hates the 2 “right wingers “the most. Again? Frog? You there buddy?
Take it from someone who has a clue, Jones doesn’t play favorites like some winged monkeys I know.
His dislike of people has zero to do with their wings or political parties. He is very consistent on that.
As you are with not knowing what you’re saying when it comes to topics such as this.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
It may be. I never listen but he is probably not wrong about everything.
However, the Right Wing conspiracy theorists like Jones always seem to point fingers at liberals, and very seldom, if ever, at conservatives or Republicans.
So they cite the Clintons as part of the supposed elite conspiracy, and Obama, and Soros who is a wealthy liberal– and maybe the Bushes, since they are no longer a factor in politics today. But far richer people like Trump, and other Republican billionaires, or Republican crony capitalist corporate people, seem to never be included as villains in this supposed elite conspiracy to rule the world– despite the fact that they are ruling the world, more than the Clintons ever did
.
Conspiracy theorists do rail about the elite and claim it controls both parties. But when people are singled out for criticism, they seem to always be Democrats, not Republicans.
There is a lot of money supporting Republicans, because they are more the party of the rich and the mega-corporations than the Dems are– as you can see by Trump’s cabinet. So the GOP often does not mind conspiracy theorists– and may even support some of them, financially or otherwise– as long as all of their villains are Democrats.
Frog,
What is right wing? You sound like an infant.
Shut up already with wings. Who wouldn’t know your right from your left if I showed up right to quiz you on it.
Dipshitery
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Oops. Sorry for the double post. Having trouble with my computer today, and thought the first one did not make it through.
“So Jones is bad because he doesn’t talk bad about the right wingers enough?”
I don’t watch Jones, as I said. I was talking about Right Wing conspiracy theorists in general. Perhaps he is an exception to the rule. As I said, I don’t watch him.
“Take it from someone who has a clue, Jones doesn’t play favorites like some winged monkeys I know.”
As I said, I do not watch him. But you, and Fly, and other Trump supporters here definitely hate Democrats, liberals, Obama, HRC and Soros more than anyone on the planet. In fact you seem to hate liberals 100X more than you like Trump, which I find very interesting. Because Fly’s posts, and the conversation of you and others here, contains a lot more liberal bashing than Trump praise.
So what am I to deduce from that? That you and your apparent “news sources” hate liberals, much more than you like your own elected presidential candidate?
This fact certainly causes me to think that your news sources must be very pro-Republican, or at the very least very anti-Democrat and anti-liberal. Perhaps Alex Jones is an exception to that. I don’t know. But I would be very surprised if he were an exception.
If he is typical, he claims to hate both parties, just like you and Fly do here. But then does he also sound like you and Fly in that when he bashes a particular politician, it is at least 10X as likely to be a liberal as a conservative? Unless the politician is not in office and hasn’t been for a long time. Then GOP bashing is okay, because in that case, it can not hurt the current GOP elections.
That is the typical pattern is for Internet conspiracy theorists. The GOP just loves them and supports them. Because they get people to vote GOP, even though they claim to be nonpartisan– because they bash the Dems so much. Their viewers don’t necessarily like the GOP either. They just vote for GOP Congress members and presidents because their “trusted news sources” bash the Dems so much.
That’s why the GOPf controls all branches of the federal government, most governorships, and most state legislatures. Because the constant Dem bashing on the Internet, gets the GOP swamp elected, every time.
If the Deep State are the ones causing all the wars, then they will be laughing their asses off if they cause wars– when he citizens and the media– instead of trying to stop the Deep State from starting or continuing wars– waste our time arguing over whether it was really Obama’s fault or Trump’s fault.
Edrogan is a slimy scumbag who has shit-canned a wonderful secular democratic country. He’s a professional liar. Anyone who believes what he says is a sucker. America supported Syrian rebels but neverbmainstream ISIS. Is it possible some ISIS fighters combined with Syrian rebels at strategic times.. maybe. Let’s see his proof.
“America supported Syrian rebels but never mainstream ISIS.”
Exactly. Claiming that the U.S. supported ISIS in Syria is just more fake news to make Obama sound bad by lying about him. You can make anyone sound bad if you lie about them. People who do not make it the meaning of life to bash Obama, can clearly see this.
The U.S. supported the rebels for a time and to a degree. And while we did very little to help them, and then we dumped them, the Syrian people were still being slaughtered by the butcher Assad. And almost no would help the rebels defend themselves and their countrymen. Except ISIS. So the rebels accepted help from ISIS, rather than have no help at all to defend themselves, their families and countrymen from slaughter.
For once I agree with you. I have good Turkish friends and really enjoyed my last trip to Istanbul. However after talking to my friends, that scumbag may be right. I still don’t trust or like him.
Yes, everyone I know who travels to Turkey loves the place and the people. It’s too bad they have such an authoritarian president now.
Yes for real, I highly recommend the trip when things get back to normal. The people, history, and food are freaking Awesome! Extra Raki!!!
not too surprising Erdogan is singing …. in a den of vipers and asps, they eventually turn on each other
Lending credence once again to the philosophy of arming all factions to the hilt and allowing them to sort it out themselves.
The benefit at the least being you are dealing with only one enemy in the end.
I am long precious metals, USD, and regional banks under $10B in market cap. I like roasted turkey on a sandwich from time to time. I prefer a strong, black cup of coffee. Sibelius is my favorite composer. Alcohol makes me horny.
On another note. What in the world is going on with all the disturbances in shopping malls today. CBS news showed a graphic that looked like nearly 2 dozens malls in the US hit by violence today.
Did the Soros and DNC minions get hired to cause grief in those places now?
Good question heater. Hard to believe this is entirely accidental. Fuckery looms come Jan 20th. That is without a doubt. How chaotic is really the only issue.
Heaterman, I know that your Right Wing “news sources” say that Soros and the DNC are the source of all evil, and use them as scapegoats for everything bad that happens. But it isn’t true. And there is certianly no evidence that Soros or the DNC had anything to do with the violence in the malls.
Again Frog,
What don’t you agree with? That Turkey has been aiding ISIS via purchases of Petro products from them. Or that if anyone had the goods on the USA aiding ISiS it would be Turkey since they are aiding ISiS themselves ?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
I don’t know whether Turkey has been buying petrol from ISIS. Probably has though, from what I read. Actually the articles I read said that they bought petrol from ISIS because it was hard for them to get it from other sources. The articles quoted someone from the Turkish military as saying that they bought oil from ISIS and then went ahead and fought against ISIS, with their military vehicles fueled with the gas they bought from ISIS.
Such is the craziness of the M.E. All kinds of factions are frenemies. They depend on each other for various things, even though they do not want to, just because the other options seem even worse. And they don’t trust each other, because they are not worthy of each other’s trust.
What they do or do not know about the U.S. doesn’t mean much to me. Because I do not trust Erdogan to be truthful. I do not expect Erdogan to tell the truth when he speaks– unless the truth will bring him more power. He is not interested in truth but only power– which doesn’t make him unusual at all in the world of politics, of course.
You just said “you don’t know if they bought from ISIs” then in the same breadth you make an excuse for them buying from ISIS.
Are you aware of that?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
I didn’t make up an excuse for them buying from ISIS. I was describing a quote I read in an article. I don’t know if the person being quoted was telling the truth or not. Of course I don’t know if they bought oil from ISIS, or if they did so, why they did it, and neither do you.
Do you believe a person looking for power can’t use the truth? Telling the truth is no exclusive to good people you know.
Let’s stop making excuses when the truth/facts don’t fit nicely in ones opinion.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
If you believe Erdogan and I do not, that doesn’t make what he says true or false. Neither of us knows.
We know. We actually know, but you as winged monkey don’t wanna admit to it?
What’s the matter with you?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
And how do you know if Erdogan is telling the truth? Do you know him? How much time have you spent as a journalist covering the M.E.? Or do you just believe your trusted “news sources” like I and everyone else does?
What makes you think your own “news sources” are telling the truth? Maybe it’s mine that are telling the truth. I have read a lot on the M.E. I took the Foreign Policy Association’s course which included a lot of articles and films on the M.E. I have as much reason to believe what I have read as you have to believe what you have read.
Telling the truth or truths?
The fact he is saying exactly what others who know better have been saying means there is something more to this. No?
Dude is saying he has the goods. So before making excuses , why don’t you wait for it. Perhaps your head will explode if you don’t?
Don’t be stupid
Regards
Chuck Bennett
If he produces some kind of proof, I will look at it.
Turkish scum are never to be trusted. Why is it that all of you Hillbots automatically knee-jerk to suck on Obama’s dick? Weren’t you mad when Bush was running through the middle east like a madman?
The story here ISN’T whether we control and support ISIS, which can be discussed later. Instead, as the fucking title says, the leader of a member of NATO just tossed us under the bus. Something is wrong here.
Wake the fuck up.
Almost everyone tosses almost everyone under the bus in politics, if it is to their own advantage in some way– particularly in the Middle East. What seems unusual about that?
Of course Erdogan hates the U.S. because we refused to deliver to him some Turkish guy in Pennsylvania who he claims plotted the (apparently fake) coup against him. That has nothing to do with NATO.
It’s a bad thing when a NATO member, who is supposed to be our ally, because they’re in NATO, tosses us under the bus. But I didn’t think the authoritarian leader Erdogan was our ally. And if anyone else thought Erdogan was our ally before, then they should know now that he isn’t.
Chuck is right, Frog. Quit twisting the narrative. Erdogan represents a NATO leader saying we support ISIS. It’s a big deal.
So now every leader of a NATO member nation is important? But Trump wants to dismantle NATO, because they don’t pay their share for it. So what does NATO matter to you then?
Is this a good reason to you for dismantling NATO? Or do you just like the idea that Erdogan said something bad about the U.S. government while Obama is president? And if he still bashes the U.S. once Trump becomes president, then you won’t like Erdogan any longer? Or what?
I don’t get what the context and meaning of this is to you.
Frog man,
Do you see this? Read your words, again more excuses?
How fucked up are you?
Like a child molester who can’t control his self.
Chemical castration may not even cure you.
Enough already shit sniffer. Stop it , you have an excuse for every time you get stumped with knowledge
Except the gifts we are sharing with you already. Give thanks instead of excuses for bad deeds
You’re welcome
Regards
Chuck Bennett
What’s wrong with bashing the USA if we deserve it?
Are you a right winger or something? America can’t do wrong?
We can and we do. Except it , be a better person. It’s much better than making excuses or trying to explain our fuck up ways.
Does this make any sense? That we can and most likely are the bad guys right now?
Tired
Frog Again,
This is another example of you makes excuses?
Your parents are to blame. I’m sure
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Almost everyone tosses everyone under the bus. More excuses you money
You don’t get it yet? You will never because your full of excuses and full of shit.
Don’t be a smelly bag of shit and make excuses why you smell. It’s time for a change
Regards
Chuck Bennett
There are reasons why people do things. I am sure you have plenty of excuses for every lie Trump ever tells. So what? Do you have some kind of version of reality where people do not do things for reasons, where everything is black or white, 100% good or 100% evil?
Why call someone a smelly bag of shit because you disagree with them? This would be a weak argument if it were an argument, but it is not. It’s simply an insult. Why do you think that insulting me will convince me that you know the truth and I don’t?
There are reasons? Yeah, they are called excuses
If you are a bag a shit, and I’m not nor did I call you one. But if you are a shit bag, would you try and make excuses why you smell? Excuses explaining other than the truth.
The truth that you smell like shit because you are indeed a bag of it.
One can’t make excuses about that other than they are said bag and that’s why they smell.
No?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Of course the U.S. can do wrong and has before, and probably still is. But I do not automatically assume we are doing a thing that is wrong, just because some leader of Turkey says so.
I think we should stay out of the M.E. altogether. And if we did, we would not need to have any opinions on these issues at all.
I’m not assuming because of Turkey. Nobody is actually. Turkey is a bag of shit.
We are past that.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
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Erdogan is playing his own game of 4d chess, as is Putin. Perhaps they want to put a final nail in the democrats, or perhaps they want to take advantage of the political turmoil and create a more aligned and powerful foe to us while delegitimizing us on a global scale… Time will tell.
Crazy conspiracy theory – powers that be thought erdogan and putin were getting too close and arranged / supported ambassador killing thinking it would add friction to that relationship. Now this is payback.
Did you come to these ideas on your own? Or did you read them in some news source? IT sounds like maybe you read the facts in a news source and then put together your own theory? None of us knows what is going on in the M.E. and Russia, unless someone here has worked as a journalist in the M. E. But I suppose your own guesses about the situation are as likely to be true, as anyone else’s.
I certainly appreciate your not insulting anyone who happens to disagree with you in some way, as seems to be the custom in the U.S. currently. It’s not a very healthy behavior, and I appreciate your opting for civility instead.
Chuck, you say stuff like
“Say right wingers again. I will come to your home and kick a mud hole in your head.”
This is the Internet here, and this is all silly stuff, of course. But why do you threaten physical violence against someone, even in jest, if you want to have a discussion with them? Most people would just never reply to you again.
Don’t you see how that kind of thing can block a discussion from taking place? And, if Americans can’t have discussions about our country, how will we ever work together to solve our nation’s problems?
No,
I figure you need sense kicked into your head because you lack it.
Believe me, if I didn’t care I would not tell you I’m fixing to smack the stupid out of you.
You dig?
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Well, maybe I should smack the stupid out of you? What kind of an argument is that? Threats of violence. Okay, so you are angry because I disagree with you. But stating your own opinion does not make it fact. I have asked you before, what news sources told you your opinions? Why do you trust those news sources? Or have you worked as a journalist in the M.E. and so have first hand info?
You are missing the fact that you make excuses and try to pathetically rational the worst things inorder to keep your version of reality going.
I don’t care if we agree. I just see the same BS.
Right winger talk which is nonsense since you don’t know anthing about wings.
Alex jones talk, again you admit you know nothing , yet talk about it.
And excuses on shit your tots wrong about. You have a sickness.
I don’t now if ISIs buys petro, but if they did, blah blah blah.
Seriously, you should change yourself ASAP
Regards
Chuck Bennett
The U.S. is divided and conquered and one reason is that most people have been brainwashed to hate liberals. I am not asking people to become liberal, but simply to treat liberals as human beings with different opinions– instead of the Anti-Christ, or someone stupid or weak. Someone can have a different opinion from you, about what would most help our country, and not be evil, stupid or weak.
Liberals, by definition, are weak.
Become a JFK democrat and then we can chat about issues
I’m liberal, so your agreement winged monkey is turned on its empty head.
Now what?
Do you have an excuse for it? I’m sure you are trying to think of one.
Regards
Chuck Bennett
U R a liberal who hates HRC, Obama, Soros, and all liberal politicians, and who loves Republican politicians?
I do not.
Those are your words not mine dipshit
I guess you are going to have to define what “liberal” means to you, if you want me to understand that.
Harry Truman! The buck stops here and ballz enough to drop The Bomb. Now that’s one helluva Democrat President! Proud to have that guy lead the USA.
There is nothing in the definition of liberals that says weak. You are just doing more liberal bashing, which seems to be the national pastime. But it’s sick. We are thoroughly Divided and Conquered.
That comment I made above is to jts.
I am a JFK Democrat. I think JFK was one of the greatest presidents this nation ever had. Unfortunately he was also naive, thinking the Deep State worked for the president, rather than the president working for the Deep State.
Lol sure
I don’t like Truman. I prefer FDR. But everyone has their preferences.
Jesus Christ. Please for the love of little children shut the fuck up you stupid bitch. Good job frog. Keep going.
Ironbird, you too. Insulting me does not prove your opinions to be correct, will not prove that you know the truth and that I do not.
I know you are angry. Why don’t you go punch a punching bag or run around the block or something and release your anger? It doesn’t help in a reasonable discussion to just be enraged.
Apparently you and Chuck and others here think that everyone must agree with you or else they are evil or stupid or weak. But that is just not the case.
Reasonable people can have reasonable differences of opinion as to what direction would be best for our country to take.
Do people here think that if you yell and scream and insult people like Fox News does, and Alex Jones and Limbaugh and O’Reilly that that makes you correct and others wrong?
If aggressiveness, shouting, anger, insults and hatred always make one right, then Mao and Stalin and Hitler were right. And I think everyone here knows that they were not right.
So what’s the deal with acting as if insulting or threatening other people makes you right? You know in your heart that it does not.
These are complex subjects. We could type all night and not cover them thoroughly. There are a lot of different issues here– NATO, Turkey, ISIS, Russia, all the different factions in Syria and whether and to what degree they are friends, enemies or frenemies. And whether such relationships are stable or (more likely) are constantly shifting and changing.
One reason we should stay out of the M.E. is that how can our soldiers possibly know who is a Syrian rebel, who is ISIS, who is both ISIS and a Syrian rebel and maybe aligned with other groups too. Our soldiers don’t know. Few of them probably know the language or the culture, and even if they do, they probably still don’t know it in depth, or know the history of who is related to whom by family or friendship or political or economic relationships.
Some guy’s family doesn’t get along with another guy’s family. So one guy tells the U.S. soldier “That guy’s in ISIS” even though he’s not. Or says of his own brother “He’s a great guy, a Syrian rebel who loves the U.S. and hates ISIS.” But he’s not.
Yeah, Chuck, you think I am making excuses for people. But have you ever been in the armed forces, in combat? I have young relatives who have been stationed in the M.E. multiple times. Do you think you could magically tell who is who? I am not making excuses. I am just saying, soldiers can’t tell who is who, and no one could who hasn’t lived there for generations. You couldn’t tell either.
That’s why we should stay out. We shouldn’t even fight ISIS over there, because we do not know which people are ISIS and which are not.
Everybody is not being 100% good or 100% evil, all the time. Sometimes people are just being confused and trying to figure out what’s going on.
No shit.
We know this. The point is simple, somehow in our excuses , you are missing the fucking topic.
We most likely have aided ISIS from the start. A NATO leader, the 3rd biggest army in the fucking entire force is making a huge claim. These are the same guys who shoot down the Russians.
Something is terribly wrong. No?
Go to bed
Regards
Chuck Bennett
Never thought I’d say this.
We should take a vote to either ban him or make him take mandatory educational classes.
I’m serious, my getting hung over just writing
My buzz disappeared an hour or so ago.
Winged monkey, aka Frog, you need to learn more about how the world works. We need some rules, clearly in your short life, your mom permitted you to get by with excuses and more excuses.
That shouldn’t happen, not here anyway. Unless your a paying customer, something should be done about this dipshitery
Regards
Chuck Bennett
No bans. Fight it out or surrender to Master Frog, professional troll.
Frog… at this point… knowing what this country has done in prior times… it really shouldnt be that hard to believe ISIS has support inside American agencies… probably not from Obama or Hilary or Kerry like people want to believe. Probably not how Erdogan says either. But the lack of attacks here and in Israel raise the question. ISIS seems like the Nazis or the contras in Nicaragua… they’re a gang funded by billionaires to get done what governments move too slowly to do. When it all goes wrong, the government has clean hands and can point at the dirty Arabs.
Here is to “Trump” changing things… haha
If you look at how long it took Osama (CIA trained) to put together Al-Qaeda with the taliban… and then how quickly Baghdadi got ISIS rolling in tanks… we can only ascribe so much of that power to Assad. This is why we invaded Iraq. Saudi Arabia will most likely be astoundingly silent the next few weeks.
As for the settlements… good luck getting religious Jews to leave the land. These settlements were in the desert, in biblical locations, and religious people have taken it upon themselves to build them up, to rebuild them. It has been written in our book. It was also written in the Quran. Palestinians did not exist as a people… they have every other Arab country to live in if they want… or they can get together and stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas… and come up with a group of leaders that does not have a plan to wipe out Israel as a main point in their politics.
Obama and UN idea of peace in Israel is a few more years. Palestinians, and more or less most Arab Muslims in the middle east… all need to learn to read. I’ve read the Quran, it says clearly the land of Israel was given to the Jews. So does the Christian Bible. The world is enormous if you really don’t like Jews you can walk to Jordan or any of the head chopping countries.
An Arab ruled Palestine will be another Syria inside of a decade. As a liberal I use to buy the 2 state bullshit… but looking into it, and reading the religious texts of all faiths involved… the Palestinians can either get over the fact that their new stepdad speaks Hebrew and realize life is a lot better in a democracy, or keep living like rats… like their people do.