The eastern lunatics in Iran have helped my small cap oil stocks charge higher, thanks to their high tech weaponry and cavalier attitude towards the United Steaks. As they fire patriotic missiles into the sky, shares of GMXR, DVR and WNR spring higher. Naturally, our aircraft carriers cower in some remote corner of the Persian Gulf, afraid of the horrors that await them at the hands of Gods navy.
If Iran accomplishes the unthinkable by closing the Straights of Hormuz, I shall send their leader a box of chocolates, as a gift, to congratulate them on such an act of heroism. Then I shall hedge myself via buying LMT, NOC and ATK, just in case we accidentally drop 10,000 tonnes of explosives on Tehran.
Aside from the alarming sell-offs in both LULU and DECK, I am having a good day. It is not a 1st tier day, where my largest holdings explode, without fences, to the upside. I consider today a moderate move higher, perhaps a 3rd of 4th tier day. Many of you are having the time of you lives, locked and loaded all of the trash that was discarded towards the end of the New Year. Boastfully, you took said trash and polished it off and proudly put it on your mantle for the world to see. Just one week ago, the world would have laughed at you, calling you all sorts of derogatory names for proudly displaying such offal. But today you are an economist, a man able to see far into the future. A man of substance.
As for me, I have several more conference calls to partake in today, all to do with first class money management. Without remorse, I have disclosed on numerous occasions my desire to outstrip all of you. By design, I will accomplish this task, yet again, on the eyes of Jupiter, in grotesque fashion this year. My winship will be delivered continuously and belligerently, regardless of etiquette. After enduring the pangs of hell in 2011, “The Fly” (aka “The Fry” in China) will majestically rise to the sky, like a gallant Iranian missile in the Persian Gulf, to crush his many enemies in 2012. My only hope is that you do not get in my way, dear friends.
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The idiots in Iran will NEVER be able to block the Persian Gulf and stop the USN; there is NO WAY the US Navy will ever allow it and the crazies in Tehran are just talking out of their burkas.
However the REAL threat to oil prices and the planet, is the development of an Iranian nuclear weapon – which they are truly well on the way to developing despite the “tough actions” of our ‘Mullah-in-Chief’ Osama/Bama. If these lunatics are not dealt with VERY soon, they will be able to hold the world (and the straights of Hormuz) as a nuclear hostage and we WILL have our hands tied.
If the US or Israel has enough brains to strike Iran first (within the next few months MAX)I will be more bearish on oil prices for this reason; if not I believe we’ll be in dire “straights” (sic) indeed/indeud.
Yes, just like the Soviets held us hostage with their nuclear arsenal in the Cold War.
Or the North Koreans are holding the world hostage now.
Or the Israelis have managed to hold the Middle East hostage and dictate events…
Or the Pakistanis…
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See what I’m getting at here? A nuclear bomb is a tool, no more. The U.S. is not supreme because we have nukes. We’re supreme because we have a massive information network, an enormous and inclusive economy, and decades of strategic relationships and alliances.
We even have some strategic relationships and alliances with Irans only allies, like China.
The point is, even if Iran does get a nuclear weapon, they’ll still be a backwater nation led by fringe fanatics with dogma and policies that most the rest of the world shuns. A Bomb doesn’t change that. And it doesn’t let them change a lot either, unless they want to have their entire civilization wiped off the map.
It’s more of an inconvenience than anything, because then you’ll probably have a nuclear arms race with the Saudis and Israel will want to invade the Southern countries to give them more of a buffer.
Cain, I respect your knowledge of markets, truly, but when it comes to Islam you just don’t get it.
Pakistan’s dictator leader is not a ‘true’ Muslim; he rules his country brutally with an iron fist and is a SURVIVOR. He does not answer to his people. If he we’re overthrown and there we’re an “arab spring” (really Islamic spring as world media has mislabled it) we would be in HUGE trouble. The US should be doing EVERYTHING it can to disarm this dangerous situation (and in fact there is a LOT going on behind the scenes as revealed in the Bin Laden Assaination, drone attacks etc).
The Soviets were our enemy, but were certainly deterred by M.A.D.D. – Mutually Assured Destruction. The Russian people are reasonable and DO place a value on human life, especially their own.
North Korea, like the former USSR is not guided by an ‘Islamic-caliphate-Shia-world-conquest-mentality’. They are pragmatic and have no wish to be wiped out. Additionally it is a dictatorship and their old leader (and I suspect new one) shares this ideology.
Israel does not belong on this list, it is a democracy and presents a bit less of a threat to the US than Canada. At this point it is basically the 51st state.
Iran’s leaders DO NOT CARE IF THEY ARE KILLED, they believe they will go to paradise with 72 virgins even if they are, they simply want a chance to WIN. M.A.D.D. does NOT work with these people, they follow an ideology based on Koranic observance of anhilation of all non-Muslims.
We can not ‘manage’ these leaders any more than we could ‘manage’ Hitler in WW2.
In sum, to quote ‘The Big Lebowkski’ – “Donnie, you’re OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!”
“Iran’s leaders DO NOT CARE IF THEY ARE KILLED, they believe they will go to paradise with 72 virgins even if they are, they simply want a chance to WIN. M.A.D.D. does NOT work with these people, they follow an ideology based on Koranic observance of anhilation of all non-Muslims.”
What a load of horseshit. I guarantee you the ayatollah leadership does not want to die. That’s just some bullshit they feed to their dumber members to give them the courage to set off the bomb vest.
Iran INVENTED the idea of the Muslim suicide bomber to paradise in their war with Iraq in the 1980’s. The used CHEMICAL WEAPONS on their fellow muslims in Iraqi villages. The idea of allowing these LUNATICS a nuke IS INSANE:
“It was a real-life Shi’i fanatic, a thirteen-year-old boy called Hossein Fahmideh, who set things moving in 1981 when he died with a grenade in his hand, throwing himself under a tank during the Iran-Iraq war. He was followed by thousands of young Iranians carrying “keys to paradise,” who walked and ran across minefields, ripping their bodies apart for God and the Islamic regime.[1] Two years later, the first suicide attack occurred against a Western target when a bomber drove a vehicle packed with explosives into the lobby of the American embassy in Beirut. Apart from himself, he killed 63 people: 32 Lebanese, 17 Americans, and 14 visitors. Iran denied all involvement in the attack, but its protégé, Hezbollah, soon claimed responsibility, and it was subsequently established that the killings had been approved and financed by senior Iranian officials. The Iranian role in many subsequent suicide bombings has been crucial, given the existence of a clerical elite that inherited a deeply-embedded Shi’i cult of martyrdom, whose traditions of flagellation, public weeping, passion plays, martyrdom sermons, and hagiographies of martyrs were pushed into overdrive after the revolution of 1979.”
“Donnie, You’re OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!”
they are rags
Iraq was the only proven user of chemical weapons in the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq brought forth people who had been subjected to chemical agents, and said that this proved Iran had retaliated with their own chemical weapons, but the evidence is weak at best.
Either way, that hardly suffices as evidence that Iran would use a bomb. You could just as easily say something like “The U.S. bombed Japan, therefore the U.S. will bomb another country; it’s in their culture.”
And where the fuck did you get that paragraph from? What’s your source? I find it hard to believe that the world has perfect record of the first person to ever commit militant suicide. Especially since I already associate most suicide camps and Islamic militants with the Saudis (Osama bin Ladin, anyone?).
But why don’t you write “Donnie, YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT” again? (laughter) I didn’t read that the first two times.
Here’s a recap on the Iraq/Iran war from Wikipedia which says Iran is not known to have used chemical weapons. Their source comes from here (http://cns.miis.edu/archive/cns/programs/dc/briefs/030701.htm)
“Iran has experienced attack by chemical warfare (CW) on the battlefield and suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties, both civilian and military, in such attacks during the 1980–88 Iran–Iraq War. As a result, Iran has promulgated a very public stance against the use of chemical weapons, making numerous vitriolic comments against Iraq’s use of such weapons in international forums. Iran is not known to have resorted to using chemical weapons in retaliation for Iraqi chemical weapons attacks during the Iran–Iraq War, though it would have been legally entitled to do so under the then-existing international treaties on the use of chemical weapons which only prohibited the first use of such weapons. Following its experiences during the Iran–Iraq War, Iran signed the Chemical Weapons Convention on 13 January 1993 and ratified it on 3 November 1997. In the official declaration submitted to OPCW Iranian government admitted that it had produced mustard gas in 1980s but that ceased the offensive program and destroyed the stockpiles of operational weapons after the end of war with Iraq.[225]
A U.S. Central Intelligence Agency report dated January 2001 speculated that Iran had manufactured and stockpiled chemical weapons – including blister, blood, choking, and probably nerve agents, and the bombs and artillery shells to deliver them. It further claimed that during the first half of 2001, Iran continued to seek production technology, training, expertise, equipment, and chemicals from entities in Russia and China that could be used to help Iran reach its goal of having indigenous nerve agent production capability.[226] However the certainty of this assessment declined and in 2007 the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency limited its public assessment to just noting that “Iran has a large and growing commercial chemical industry that could be used to support a chemical agent mobilization capability.”[227]
Iran is a signatory of the Chemical Weapons Convention, which bans chemical weapons, delivery systems, and production facilities.[2] Iran has reiterated its commitment to the CWC and its full support for the work of the OPCW, in particular in view of the considerable suffering these weapons have caused to the Iranian people.[228] Iran has not made any declaration of a weapons stockpile under the treaty.[229]”
TJWP, was “war the answer” in 1941? It’s awful, but sometimes unavoidable. Besides, we don’t need to have a ‘war’ with Iran, just a few airstrikes with a CLEAR objective – shutting down their nuke program. The US or Israel can get the job done in 1 – 2 days.
Here’s a report from Global Security (not sure of their credibility: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/cw.htm) which suggests that Iran may have. However, allow me to point out that if they did do so in retaliation to Iraq’s use of chemical weapons on their population first (of which Iraq almost assuredly did) then I would guess that the Ayatollah understand Mutually Assured Destruction much better than you have surmised.
“Iran’s chemical weapons (CW) program was launched during the Iran/Iraq War, which lasted from 1980 through 1988. Both Iran and Iraq are parties were parties to the 1925 Geneva Protocol, which prohibits the use of Chemical weapons. There was never any doubt that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran. Iran reported in 2003 at least 100,000 known victims of the use of different types of chemical agents (nerve agents, blistering agents and mixed agents), 35,000 of them were considered serious, due to suffering from long effects of chemical weapons deployed by Iraq (especially mustard gas).
In a declassified report from 1990 (DST-1620S-464-90, dated 15 March 1990), the Defense Intelligence Agency reported that “Iran used chemical weapons late in the war, but never as extensively or successfully as Iraq.”
Reports that Iran used chemical agents to respond to Iraqi chemical attacks on several occasions during that war were controversial. Iraq presented chemical casualties to visiting UN chemical experts in 1987 and 1988. These individuals could also have been victims of Iraq’s careless use of its own chemical munitions. On 14 May 1987 the UN Security Council stated that Iraqi military personnel had sustained injuries from chemical warfare agents, without actually affirming that Iran used chemical weapons against them.
Skeptics argue that the only evidence for the claim that Iran used chemical weapons during the war were unsubstantiated claims of the US government. There were allegations by the US Government at the time that Iran had used chemical weapons against the Kurdish village of Halabja in March 1988. Subsequently, these attacks were attributed by the US Government to Iraq alone.
As reported by Islamic Republic News Agency, on 19 October 1988 (two months after the war had ended), Parliamentary speaker (and future president) Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani declared that “…chemical bombs and biological weapons are poor man’s atomic bombs and can easily be produced. We should at least consider them for our defense… Although the use of such weapons is inhuman, the war taught us that international laws are only drops of ink on paper.””
Gee, you’ve convinced me. Iran’s Mullahs and leaders are PERFECTLY reasonable and we should ignore their nuclear ambitions. They are CLEARLY responsible, reasonable and tolerant people who can be trusted with the deadliest weapons known to man; besides, they are not REALLY developing nuclear weapons as they have told us, they (despite the fact that they are sitting on HUGE oil reserves) are simply trying to develop peaceful nuclear electricity to make the world a better, safer place.
Look, Cain, why can’t you just admit you were WRONG? Iran MUST be stopped NOW, before they get these weapons. The only people who don’t understand stand this pray in Mosques for ‘Dar Al Islam’ (the conquest of the world by Islam). If Reagan we’re still pres the reactor at Bushere would have been bombed a long time ago. Under Obama’s watch Iran has grown to threaten the entire world. You DON’T try to play ‘chicken’ with an Islamic extremist with a suicide bomber mentality.
Who said I wanted to let Iran get nukes? I’d rather they didn’t. Oil markets would explode, our allies would be demoralized, our more crazy enemies (the freedom fighters hiding out in caves and contemplating their next suicide attack) would be emboldened, and all around things would suck a little more.
What I don’t believe is that it will be THE END GAME if it happens. This isn’t a movie, and the Supreme Leader is not going to give up his comforts of place and power to follow some silly storyline and extremist movement he created for the purpose of gathering power.
The rich and affluent very rarely believe the propaganda they shovel. If Iran gets a bomb, the next step will be to ignore them just as we have been, while they sit dumfounded and realize it doesn’t change U.S. strategy any, just raises the potential consequences of failure.
Honestly I don’t know why you bother. You know the right wing retards of the USA are just chomping at the bit to invade another Middle Eastern country that has oil. Facts don’t matter to these people.
Your point about the Soviet, and Pakistan (which incidentally is no longer ruled by Musharraf) are bang on.
You have to love the retard arguments of “everyone with the least bit of knowledge knows…” These warmongers are always good for a laugh, except unfortunately most of them are too cowardly to fight in the wars they covet. Pussies.
I’m probably one of those right wingers of which you speak.
I don’t like the idea of Iran getting a bomb; I also don’t think Iran is going to use one though.
Much more likely that they’ll use the leverage as North Korea has to broker aid and get the perception of global power, while raking in the huge pay day that will be crude oil, should they ever figure out how to detonate a nuclear device in whatever godforsaken desert they choose to try.
It’s not that I don’t care if Iran has a nuclear weapon; I just think people don’t get the country or the people. And treating Persians like they’re Saudis is going to severely piss them off.
You certainly are to the right of me, but no where near as right wing as it gets.
I think that the USA has absolutely no business telling anyone else what they can or cannot do. They let Isreal, Pakistan, India develop bombs and Pakistan is by no means a stable country.
I mean honestly, are there not enough domestic problems in the USA to occupy the attentions of these people. War is never an answer, especially when it will just make Muslim hate greater.
The article is from the Middle East Quarterly titled: “Suicide Bombing as Worship, Dimensions of Jihad”
Apparently you don’t believe me (WHY would I make this up???)so here’s the website:
http://www.meforum.org/2478/suicide-bombing-as-worship
Apparently also you’ve never heard of Hamas or Hizbullah who suicide bombed US marines in Beirut and are recognized terrorist organizations. No one with an IQ in the double digits who posses the least amount of knowledge in Middle Eastern affairs doubts that Iran did INDEUD use Chem weapons on Iraqi. They also sent human waves of soldiers across minefields and blew themselves to pieces; many of them were young boys – children really.
I have read the Hadith and Quoran. I have lived in the middle east. I possess degrees in History and Polysci. I don’t doubt your patriotism, but you are speaking like a man who thinks Obama/Osama actually is standing up to these crazies and you seem to nbe ignorant of his constant cow-towing to the Muslims, from Egypt to Saudi Arabia to Iran.
“Donnie you ARE out of your element”, now LET IT GO…
I’m kind of with Cain on this one. The piece that I think you’re missing, Moola,…hmm, sounds kind of close to “mullah” when you pronounce it. Anyways, the thing I think you’re missing is that the leadership is not as fanatical as the foot soldiers. After all, you don’t see Ahmenijad (sp?, too lazy to look it up) or any of the leading Iranian clerics showing up in the media wearing the latest fashion in suicide vests. No, they leave that to those among the brainwashed masses that they can get to carry out their dirty work for them. These guys are like ‘the Chin’ Gigante. The crazy act on the part of the leadership is just for show. Deep down in places they don’t talk about at parties they don’t want to be wiped off the map any more than the NK’s do.
Ah, the piece about the first suicide bomber was text beneath a propaganda picture. I thought it was part of the main text itself.
But that still doesn’t mean that the Supreme Leader is himself fanatic enough to pull the trigger. The Iranian clerics did not work this hard for this long to see their society stricken from the map.
Look at the poster on that page, and compare it to others throughout history; it is not much different than the pictures of Kim Il Sung carrying his nation’s children towards a bright tomorrow; or of Mao bringing a bright communism to a dark China. I can see plenty of the worlds authoritarians in that position; slightly shaded out, looking down from a high position, as a proud father, at the heroic acts of some bright youngster.
But just because Iran frequently manipulates these people doesn’t mean it is dedicated to their stated cause. I’m sure Iran would love to rule the world. I’m also sure they are aware of the consequences should they move to act to that end.
I suppose if you completely believe that Iran getting a nuclear weapon equates to Iran using a nuclear weapon, there’s little I can say to change your mind.
But if they get one, I’d avoid spending your life savings on hookers and blow, thinking the world is about to end, because it isn’t.
I always wondered what the Queeran said regarding what happens after the 72 become used up or prego. ….just sayin….
just curious where 72 is from? who provided the number?
The difference between the nations you list and Iran is that Iran is ruled by raging religious lunatics who believe that dropping a nuke and killing a million or so people is simply Allah’s will and therefore, no big deal.
The other countries you list have or had, at least some semblance of an idea what would happen should the red button be pushed.
By Jove I think he’s got it!
That’s an oversimplification. I guarantee you that the leaders of Iran, sitting comfortable and living the good life, do not want to push the red button. Only the most ardent of extremists would be in such a position, and just because Iran molds such extremists to their own purposes every day does not mean that the leaders of their country are crazed fanatics themselves.
Ahmadinejad talks like a madman, but I bet he sweats sanely enough when he looks to what we did in Iraq.
Ahmadinejad is in fact NOT the chief leader, it is Iran’s Supreme Ayatollah, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who IS in fact every bit as fanatic as Ahmadinejad; in fact he is even WORSE -and is the true power in the country. These are NOT people you can ever hope to reason with and allowing them access to a nuke is something no sane man wants.
I hope you don’t lose your edge after you crush your enemies.
Iran will be managed. They are already backing down on the idea of closing the Straits of Hormuz. Who would they drop an A-bomb on? It’s just saber rattling bluster.
I wish they would try to close the Straits of Hormuz, so we could bloody their noses real good.
Exactly. What, are they going to do, set off a bomb on their border? The only way they deploy a nuke and harm the U.S. is to hit another Middle Eastern country.
That’d go over well.
Do you realize how BIG the USA is or how small the world has become? How many unguarded miles of borders there are north AND south? How many ports where a ship/container could slip in? PLEASE. Has anyone learned ANYTHING from 9/11?
no they have not learned anything, except to hire a bunch of malcontents that pat you down at the airports and fema,thats what they learned.
Managed? I suggest you look up the Iran Ayatollahs and Ahdeminijahds belief in the “12th Imam” Wikipedia defines this:
“Twelver Shi’as cite various references from the Qur’an and reports, or Hadith, from Imam Mahdi and the twelve Shi’a Imams with regard to the reappearance of al-Mahdi who would, in accordance with Allah’s command, bring justice and peace to the world by establishing Islam throughout the world.”
-There is no “managing them”. They can’t be bought off, reasoned with or even intimidated. They are NUTS and they WILL attack if they ever believe they have the ability to destroy us (aka with an A-bomb).
The mistake most Americans make is that they think the Islamic world will just “chill” if they eat at MCD, drink Coke and watch American movies. This will not happen in the Islamic fundamentalist world and the mainstream media and American leadership is asleep at the wheel to this worldwide threat.
thats why you’ll NEVER see the discontent from germany or france in the msm about the exploding population of the “fundamental” movement in those places.because they have germany and france by the stones. look at detroit and chicago.pfft
true INDEUD!
i think the real problem is that some in this country think we r the bad guys…
Yup, including the POTUS!
Agree
did i miss a turn? are we on zero hedge?
fuck this shit. you guys are all retarded.
took some profits (+15.25%) on my NUGT. Still holding a nice “nugget of NUGT.”
Cool….we got almost 30% of the expected gains for 2012, all on the first trading day of the year.
Feels real.
JBHT @ 19x NFY earnings – a substantial premium to the rest of the truckers – looks like a decent way to bet against an oil spike.
should of sold wprt today ,but i went to the movies, saw mission impossible.
Our aircraft “Cowering,” horseshit! It’s Iran that will be cowering if they bust a move on the straits.
We COWER. We just lost a war in Iraq and we are losing another in Afghanistan.
We start too many goddam wars.
How do you figure we lost in Iraq? Last I checked the kill count, it was pretty one sided.
We should just go back to old school Vietnam metrics of victory.
Winning wars have complectated metrics, it is not black and white… kill count interesting, but only works in video games..
ask mothers who lost their kids on both sides..
The Left (like Rigged) loves claiming “we lost!” after their turncoat politicians abandon allies who’ve trusted us.
Call it “the Viet Nam Strategy.”
What they get out of it, God only knows. Pray that they snap out of their suicidal tendencies before they get us all killed.
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True. I guess I’m more pointing out that our Objective Based Victory was pretty unrealistic from the get go.
We wanted to take a two shit holes, march in, and transform them into vibrant democracies with zero corruption in less than a year.
Yeah, we didn’t succeed. Doesn’t mean we suffered horrible defeat either.
There was no way you just leave it half done. That’s my point. You need to provide a police presence or the glue will never hold. Zero either wants that, or he’s too dumb to realize that’s what he’s going to get.
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Iran needs to stop prentending that closing the Straights of Hormuz is viable option.
Their society is so dependent on oil revenue… Let them bankrupt themselves…
The Saudis will release extra supply if they do indeed follow through with what are seemingly hollow threats.
they wont bankrupt themselves,not with china doing the buying. go ahead,lets see if potus has the ‘NUT” to start shit with china. ha ha ha
What are the Saudis going to do? Send the earl by 747?
They use the Straits too.
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The Sauds can use the Red Sea instead. Assuming, that is that they have the pipeline infrastructure to get the oil to the western part of their country.
Can we end the Stock of the Year contest today. My pick – BTU – was up over $3 today!
hey partner, it was mine too lmao
dont forget to dump it in the morning. this was just the regular tuesday head fake,it just happen to land on the first trading day of the year.none the less,head fake tuesday just the same.
Drummer,
dumping in the morning?
wash your mouth young man.. lol.. just teasing
Flyaway the % increase is very impressive for sarah. Maybe the increase was from all the coal Santa left in stockings this year.
Thumbs up
Check out the republican presidential caucus on the drudgereport where you can vote for your candidate. Now tell me the MSM isn’t trying pick winners and losers.
C’mon, everyone knows the Ronbots are way heavier online than normal people w. day-jobs.
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Fly dude, u must be Chinese. you know these accents way too well.
if interested in PMs – good show:
http://cambridgehouse.com/
I’ll share a little story. It’s from 1996 so I think it’s ok after so many years.
I was an aviator in the Navy on a carrier (a “boat” to my fellow squids) in the Persian Gulf in the summer of 1996. As a side note, if you want to piss of an Iranian then refer to the Gulf as the “Gulf of Arabia”. Anyways, that was the year they had the summer Olympics in Atlanta. Was also the year that a bomb went off at the Olympics in an apparent act of terrorism.
A few days after the bomb went off in Atl there was word that it was likely the work of the Iranians or at least sponsored by the Iranians. We were ordered to plan a “practice” strike on the Iranian city of Bandar Abbas. The plan was to fly a strike package towards the city at a nice high altitude so that the Iranians could see us coming but then to turn away at the 25-mile international boundary. The idea in letting them see us coming was to provoke them into responding so that we could get some shooting started. I was paired up with a pilot who was to be an element lead in the strike package. Our CAG was so convinced that we would get a response and that it would be his last chance at some combat time that he used his authority to bump me from the cockpit and take my place.
This was almost 20 years ago and you can bet the US military is still itching for a fight with the Iranians.
Bobby,
interesting story.
Not sure if you know, but in 2009 they built surface-to-air missile defense system.
The advance version of the controversial S-300 system, the S-300PMU1 (SA-20 Gargoyle), can intercept 100 ballistic missiles and aircraft at once, at low and high altitudes within a range of over 150 km.
Of course this is what they say they have now, nobody ever tested it yet.
…after “Operation Iraqi Freedom” (War in Iraq) and “Operation Enduring Freedom” (War in Afghanistan)… I’m pretty sure the US military is “itching” to come home !
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Mr. Boucher, I am genuinely impressed, NOW I get the “a Few good men” quote. Unfortunately as I’m sure you’re aware, the generals do not call the shots anymore, it is Washington that decides who shoots and when, and given the fact that we have a self-hating American in high office, I doubt we’re still “itching”.
I’m no war monger, I hate war; but the idea of Iran getting a nuclear device is almost too frightening to contemplate. NO ONE can say with certainty that if they get one they won’t use it, and based on their track record with their proxies Hizbullah and Hamas, their attacks on US Marines and on Israeli children on schoolbuses and kindergartens it is madness to allow them access to this weapon.
That being said, I thank you for fighting for the USA, we have more in common than you suspect. Well done sir.
As to you Cain, I must admire your tenacity in an untenable position. It’s obvious that you see Iran as an enormous threat as well, but I think you lack a clear understand of the aims of Global Jihad (holy war). I suggest you read http://www.shoebat.com and listen to what a former Muslim terrorist says about the aims of Islam and Iran. We do not need to invade Iran; it was a mistake to invade Iraq or Afganistan. these countries should be bombed from the air by our friend Bobby here, or hit with a few Tomahawks by the USN or Israel. The fact is that lately “losing a war” to America has become a very profitable enterprise for the loser, and a loss to the American people via rebuilding infrastructure and foreign aid. The “lesson” we taught the Islamic world from Iraq is ‘fight the US and don’t worry, because when you lose, we will spend billions to rebuild your country and then allow the next muslim dictator to setp into his sandals. There is NO point in invading the shtholes and no American life is worth losing to these a-holes. Bomb em from the air, use the bunker-busters (thats what we make em for!) and set their nuke program back ten years. If they rebuild it, bomb em again in 10 years from now.
We could use their commercial airliners for target practice in the meantime. Wait, done that already.
Yo, assclown, having been ion the middle east as a soldier and a civilian, the leadership are really no different than China. Ethnocentric yes, but the religion thing is usually only fulfilled by the peasant masses. As it historically has been, religion has been a tool to control the unlearned peasants. This continues to happen, are there educated people who join the cause of Jihad? Yes, they are the one convincing the suicide bombers, these people do not want to die, BELIEVE me. Almost everyone I know who is still in needs a break to refit after 10 years of war.
Bin Laden was a multi-millionaire, there have been many, many terrorists with doctorates and advanced degrees. Islamic fundamentalism is not reserved only for the poor or uneducated as the mainstream media would have you think. In fact the majority of the most dangerous muslim terrorists are well educated and in some cases quite wealthy.
In politics the best call to power is deception. Bush deceived his redneck followers by making them think he was a cowboy from Texas and not an ivy league CT boy. Obama deceived the hippies. If you seriously think Osama or Ahmadinejad are as crazy as the guys blowing themselves up then how is it they are still in pieces. Manipulation, deception, that’s what politics is. You are hilarious. The wealthy “terrorists” are nothing more than wealthy greedy megalomaniacs who are willing to use their people’s religion to get wealthier. They live everywhere; there’s a few in Iowa right now.
Ever look at a roster of the 20 World Trade Center hijacker/bombers?
They were all college educated or from middle to upper middle class families. Saudi and Egyptian.
The flower of the ME.
Now THOSE fuckers blew themselves up. Were they “poor dumbasses,” or just extremely dedicated?
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First of all Iran is the home of an ancient civilization (Persians). To portray them all as “religious wingnuts” is absurd. Not that they don’t have any,I’m sure they do; as does the good ‘ol US of A.(See Pat Buchanan, Michele Bachmann et al). Nukes are dangerous ,no matter the nation holding the keys, and the reality that is so often ignored in these hypocritical discussions is the fact that only one nation on this planet has ever used a nuclear device on another,and targeted civilians to boot, and that country is the United States of America.
Let the vitriol flow……
Imagine if Palin had control of Nukes? bye-bye Canada.
After consulting the Corporate interests that actually call the shots, they would prolly veto destroying the largest trading partner…..
No, we’d just take yer earl and gold, you ungrateful sniveler.
Go have a Labatt’s the hard way.
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This year we celebrate our bi-centennial of repelling expansionist southerners.
so now you’re comparing the USA’s levels of responsibility in having nukes to the leaders of Iran. ok…
Just trying to provoke some thoughtful discourse. I do believe it is an appropriate response to the tired phrase ” those people have no respect for human life”.Again see Hiroshima/ Nagasaki. Get beyond the propaganda you (and I ) have been fed all of our lives, and really just think about those facts.
Religious Fucktards of ALL stripes give me the Willies, including our Prime Minister, the Israelis,and most of the GOP.MY point is there are no GOOD religious idiots, they are all capable of great damage.
I find it nauseating to hear the calls to wipe out( insert foreign country that is NOT allied with the US here),when they even approach the acquisition of the very same destructive technology that the “good guys” have.
Why not target Israel? Pakistan? You don’t think their governments don’t have idiots itching to vanquish their age old religious foes?
Why not target Israel??? Why not target Canada!
Israel has only fought defensive wars and is not a religious state at all. They also are the most pro-American allies in the world and are fighting the exact same enemies as the USA, in fact they are on the frontlines against AlQaeda, Islamic Jihad, Hizbullah etc.
As to Hiroshima, the Japanese opened that can of worms when they chose to attack on Dec 7th. They REFUSED to surrender despite a hopeless situation in 1945. The nukes on H and Nag were horrible, but no worse than the 100 bomber raids across Europe. Japan would NOT give up and in the end, dropping the bomb probably saved more lives on BOTH sides (estimates were 150,000 or so killed in the 2 atomic attacks, vs. expected casualties of over a million on both Japan and the USA).
You can NOT compare a belligerent state that started a war, to a state that defends itself from attack like America or Israel.
U.S. has already hedged for this trade… Saudi Arabia purchased 84 new F15 fighter jets.
This is about stocks and investments, not politics. Everyone has an opinion and this forum is not the place.
You’ve got a point, but the two DO intersect at times, especially when it comes to oil.
I didn’t read anything about oil.
Yeah, those atheists in the Soviet Union, Cuba, Nork, Cambodia and Red China… they’ve such a radiant record of rational morality.
Oy, I’m arguing w. a leftist hoser! Whatta waste!
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I must have missed the “argument”. All I heard from you was a few cheap shots……
spardon my ignorance, what is nork?
We portray them in too positive a light :
http://youtu.be/g4C2-mOv9EI
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