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EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED TO FALL SHORT OF WHAT’S EXPECTED

I know most of you tell me to get fucked with my historical analysis. That’s part of the fun in blogging. Oh wait, blogging is fun?

This year has unfolded quite similar to how last election year unfolded. In 2012, markets bottomed about a week after the election on a similar oversold signal. This year, that same oversold signal came last week.

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In both years, the prior year (2011 and 2015) were a volatile mess. In each election year, we established a trend. Volatility to start the year. Volatility in the middle of the year, trend higher into October, then come in a bit heading into the election.

Last election year, markets bottomed about a week after the election. In this year, we hit the oversold signal ahead of the election.

I was also asked if my longer term analogue is still playing out. Here’s a quick look:

2016-11-08_11-37-06

I used the Dow. Last time I used the RUT. Both show a striking resemblance.

One thing is certain, the last few days reflect money on the sidelines waiting to be deployed. I feel any dips you get after the election ought to be bought heading into year end.

I’m looking forward to putting this behind us to start planning for year end, as well as 2017.

Off to cast a vote. Will be out for the rest of the week.

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81 comments

  1. Badduck

    Don’t forget to vote twice.

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  2. MSGT HARTMAN

    If the Bank Sponsored Candidate wins it’s GDP 0 – 1%, no rate hikes, pump money into the system, party continues.

    The banksters hate the non-traditional candidate and with a win we could see a Brexit dip, but will it be bought?

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  3. greenlander1

    Saw a few articles about people parking their entire IRA’s in cash/ TIPS bc they thought there was risk of 10-20% correction if Trump was elected (and not getting back into the market until the coast was clear). Stocktwits is humming w ppl shorting this bounce.

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  4. jack

    OA – Would you say UNG is aversion?

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    • Nocturne

      I am averted and sold 7.00 Dec puts. If Clinton win doesn’t push UNG to 7.25, I’m exiting the trade.

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  5. Frog

    New post I made just now, in Barry’s Basement

    About voting machines and wars
    http://ibankcoin.com/barrysbasement/2016/11/08/about-voting-machines-and-wars/

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  6. MSGT HARTMAN

    I’m buying the end of the world on Wed….

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  7. Frog

    I made a new post in Barry’s Basement

    If he wins, I’ll give him a chance
    http://ibankcoin.com/barrysbasement/2016/11/09/if-he-wins-ill-give-him-a-chance/

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  8. matt_bear

    the entire crash was retraced back in time for open. Jeff was technically right. Only the pajama bears cashed in on shorting.

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  9. kamel

    so far

    in: financials, biotechs, defense, basic materials

    out: solar, tech (some pockets of green, though)

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  10. kamel

    watching last night – interview with Guiliani – they were talking about security and then he mentioned that he was into cybersecurity. He was always a physical security/law enforcement type guy, so the cybersecurity comment was interesting

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  11. Greenlander (@greenlander1)
    Greenlander (@greenlander1)

    Exited BIDU, HMSY on open and bought Dec IWM calls w proceeds. Still long WFC, COP, short VXX

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  12. awanka

    Glad I didn’t buy back into TSLA. Not a good day for solar in general.

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  13. kamel

    added to my next week GLD 121 puts near the open.

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  14. cascadia

    People buying the Mary Jane stocks are out of their gourds.
    Fade all of that, big time. You think a GOP administration is going to sit idly by at a federal level now?

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    • ThomasJefferson

      It’s been profitable so far. Projecting rigid party principles onto this administration could prove hazardous.

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      • cascadia

        Disagree. These will shoot up short term, but they are all dust in 2 years. Many of them are complete shit anyway, if you’re holding long term, you’ll be holding the bag.

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        • ThomasJefferson

          Oh, understood. My “long term” time frame on these garbage stocks is 6-9 months.

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  15. ThomasJefferson

    Closed my $IWM weeklies +350%. Open to re-entering, perhaps quickly, but I am going to play short term positions nimbly here as I expect the market is going to be at least temporarily as schizophrenic as was the President Elect on the Campaign Trail.

    Wish you could go out further than 2017 on $TAN calls.

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  16. Richard Chmara

    OA. Does the trend lines/investor behavior suggest we wait and buy the next dip or was the Trump Slump it for a while?

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  17. kamel

    so looking out at the market – it seems that we are faced with disbelief from participants. Not sure where that fits on the sentiment chart. Also, it looks like the action from from last night have caused unexpected reactions (gold, dollar, bonds, commodities).

    Is this going to lead to FOMO or to meandering?

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    • awanka

      I feel like I should be doing something, but I’m paralyzed. Lol.

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      • kamel

        yeah, glad I dipped a toe last week, wish I had dipped a leg

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        • Gene Minkin

          Completely clueless on the next step. Did sell LABU today for 37.25 from 25.50 in a few days. Lamenting missing X @ 16 and CLFford @ 5 but hindsight…. So happy last night because I could finally get rid of my shorts at a decent level and got nothing in the morning.

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      • cascadia

        I am now paralyzed as well. Just in complete disbelief at what I am seeing. Don’t want to chase, don’t want to freak out either.
        Just staying the course for the moment.

        We are melting up, in a hardcore aversion, or about to violently swing the pendulum the other way. Can’t decide yet…

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  18. traderconfessions
    traderconfessions

    Guess I was a genius for buying or adding to FPRX, NTES, and YRD on Monday. Nah, just one lucky bastard. No idea where we go from here. One errant comment from new guys can send the market into a tailspin.

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  19. Frog

    I continue to be a long term bullish investor in the market myself. I certainly no reason to change that now. Although I didn’t vote for Trump, he is president of us all now. I will hope for him and/or the people he surrounds himself with to try to do something constructive for our country and its economy, until and unless I see clear evidence that they won’t.

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  20. kamel

    utilities and consumer goods lagging here as well

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  21. kamel

    When was the last time we had a 3% day in the Russell?

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  22. artie

    OA – did you have a target on X? I have it from $20 and trying to decide if I should bank profits.

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  23. traderconfessions

    SBNY .. up 20 points in two days? WTF…

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    • ThomasJefferson

      So frustrating. I was debating between 2 strikes right after earnings, and said, “Eh, come back to it next week. A little regional bank isn’t going anywhere and you’ve got a few positions to manage right now.” Onto the next one. Just means my eye caught a good set up, right?

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    • Michael R Karli

      making cabs great again !!!!!

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  24. kamel

    lots of fun. Bot an APPL 109 call yolo may be wrong on this one, but there you go.

    Also sold my GLD puts for a 2.5-bagger

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  25. frog

    I am wondering if I should swap my tech stocks for industrials– like the ETF named VIS. It’s the Trump infrastructure trade that looks like it will do great. Doing well today, while the FANG trade is sucking because the tech giants supported Hillary and because Trump has it in for AMZN’s Bezos because Bezos’s WA post didn’t Trump him with their news coverage. Trump is supposedly going to slap Bezos with anti-trust action, as Fly has reported on his blog that I still am banned from commenting on. Also, other problems are anticipated for e-commerce with Trump’s presidency coming up.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-trump-presidency-means-e-164100221.html

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  26. frog

    “didn’t flatter Trump with their news coverage” I meant to type.

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  27. frog

    Here is an interesting research report:

    Donald Trump as US President – the economic and financial implications

    http://danskeresearch.danskebank.com/link/USelectionTrump091116/$file/USelection_Trump_091116.pdf

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  28. frog

    Anyone in XME?

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    • marc

      I get why Fly banned you….your’re a spaz

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      • frog

        Thanks. I know I am doing well and saying good things when I get ad hominem attacks, because the commenter can’t find any way to argue with the substance of what I actually said.

        But it is just as well Fly banned me from his board, because, given the current content of it, there’s no point in me being there.

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        • purdy

          Frog, as you know, I am not a fan of your partisan bias. But now that the guy is in office, let’s keep him from abusing power – as his campaign rhetoric suggested he may be inclined to do. (Had Hillary won, I would have asked that we work to keep her warmongering sadism in check.) Both candidates were terrible, but you would have had more credibility in your Trump attacks had you acknowledged that Hillary was a neocon warmongering tool. Most people supporting Trump knew that they were choosing the lesser of two evils; but not acknowledging Hillary’s sickness just hardens the Trumpites. Anyway, kudos for caring enough to piss in the wind here on ibc.

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          • Frog

            Hi, Purdy

            I was for Bernie before Hillary won the Dem nomination. You maybe didn’t see that comment, that I made in response to your comment on my blog– where I told you that if Hillary won, if she wanted to start any unnecessary wars, I would be out there demonstrating against them, and I would have wanted you to join me.

            I never said I agreed with Hillary on everything, and I don’t. I just agree with her on more things than I agree with Trump on. And I was also thinking that Bernie would have led the movement and demonstrations to let Hillary know that we didn’t want her to act like a neocon.

            I am aware that there is no way I could have converted a Trump voter to a Hillary voter, no matter what I said or did. All I could do would be to let people know that there was another point of view. And maybe you and one or two other people, noticed that a liberal can also be a human being like you, and not some creature from hell or the black lagoon.

            Thanks for the kudos. It’s good to talk with you, Purdy.

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  29. Greenlander (@greenlander1)
    Greenlander (@greenlander1)

    CMG blasted off wo me urgh.
    Sold other half of WFC. Not sure what to buy here

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  30. kamel

    if you weren’t positioned prior, you are pretty much sidelined.

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  31. tweek

    DRYS up yuuuuge

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  32. og

    FCX damn

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  33. kamel

    tried to add to my AAPL 109s this morning but apparently I committed a good faith violation, so now I am in trading limbo for the day…

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  34. traderconfessions

    bot VC.. nice daily and weekly chart.. great profile.

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  35. ThomasJefferson

    Closed $grub puts just under 400%. Would consider reload in the $39 range

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  36. kamel

    kicking myself for selling my GLD puts – got the trade right, but sold too early – could have really made a killing on that one…

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  37. ThomasJefferson

    While I understand that OA is out Wed/Thurs/Fri, and this post is an epic mic drop and he should just leave it up forever, it’s killing me to see that $IWM sell every time I stop in. That 350% is now closer to 900%. Damn trading plans and adhering to them!

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    • kamel

      I sold more than a handful of GLD 121 puts expiring this week for just under $2.00 last week…..I know the feeling

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  38. MSGT HARTMAN

    FLY’s portfolio, gold, oil, guns, silicone valley, all dead.

    AMZN, see you in the 600’s

    Plan around GDP >4% in the next two years, it will be amazing times.

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  39. traderconfessions

    bot Amba this morning. Probably kiss of death for this stock. We have a checkered history.

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  40. traderconfessions

    Hope somebody followed me into VC at the end of last week. Up 9% this morning.. for some unknown reason. I’ll take lucky over good.

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  41. kamel

    BAC has entered into that 2008 volume pocket. not sure what to make of it given it has been on a straight up rise, but it is definitely above any level it has been for 8 years.

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  42. ThomasJefferson

    Starting to wonder if we’re pricing in all of the good possibilities of a Trump presidency and none of the bad. I don’t have a ton of November paper coming up this week (I’ve mostly been buying December and January), but I’m going to go tight leash with what’s left.

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    • kamel

      it is a rotation based on strong dollar and likely protectionist policies We will have to see.

      Russell just exceeded it’s all time high

      TLT is bouncing right now

      Will be interesting to see how this market adjusts heading into the week and will be glad to get OAs take on the market and these rotations.

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