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You know some of us are hardworking, intelligent people who can’t find work because the assholes at the top are too busy trying to preserve the status quo to fix the problems their generation caused.
See when he says “back in the day” what he means is “before we fucked up the global economy”
We are coming for you.
We should be quaking because some schmo who can’t even get his shit together enough to get a job is “coming for us?”
Get serious kid. Start reading more. Life will be less painful.
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I quit my job to move and attend school, working a job to pay for expenses while studying full time.
Go fuck yourself you condescending prick.
Ease up, petulant whiner. You’re the one who represented that you are out of work. And then you had the unmitigated bad manners to threaten your hosts on top of that. you are lucky I don’t have you caned by my semi-literate Somoan henchmen.
Sack up, homey. Life’s no libby drum circle.
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It’s a shame to see intelligent people suffer through unemployment. But the vast majority of the OWS crowd are vagrants.
since OWS has none, zero, zilch plan to fix anything and just calls for more burdens on the working class (which they call the 1%) it is hard to believe anyone who wants to achieve something in life would support them.
TJWP can claim what he wants, but the sole fact that he supports OWS and not the tea party, redistribution and not curbing spending, speaks volumes about the credibility of his claims.
Those of us who do manage to succeed will certainly be ruthless enough to sell the older generations down the river once the costs become to great.
That is, if the elder generation is actually dependent upon you.
But remember, unless there’s some kind of Holocaust of the Wrinklies, the older generations will always vote in bigger numbers than the younger ones.
Hence, the Baby Boomers will continue to fuck us for years to come.
Hopefully, they will be less commie than you, my son. But I’m not holding out on that hope.
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Exactly Jake. Same reason all those excited college students get excited for some new liberal hero and then never come through on election day with enough numbers to make a dent. When you see an election poll, you can pretty much discount 50% of the lowest age demographic because they won’t all show up, and add about 25% to the higher ages because they will.
If I go down to my local Occupy trash heap, how many people do you think I could walk right up to and hire. I agree there are plenty of good, hard working people without jobs out there, but don’t look for the closest group of disaffected people to join and meld your complaints.
And regarding previous generations, it is laughable to see the “movement” co-opted/propped up/funded by unions. It is the equivalent of a pyro firefighter: start the fire and then run around the corner in uniform to be the hero to put it out. The same thing is true for much of the Tea Party being co-opted by the GOP and being neutered.
It is truly unfortunate that a unified message that OWS could’ve portrayed was never able to become concrete. For me the fundamental role of these protests was to raise and to mitigate the role of corporations in government – ie your wall st. banks lobbying for the most recent Central Bank coordination to General Electric or Proctor and Gamble dictating legislation in the QE or TARP packages.
The role of media was to misconstrue the true corrupt underlying support for OWS – the people against the machine – and they’ve succeeded. Fly says it clearly as they wanted you view them, vagrants.
Ultimately TJ is correct the young generations will only pay for these services for so long as the burden of wasted money on our generation is growing larger and larger by the minute. The powers that be built the system and the only Achilles heel seems to be massive wide spread violence.
We’ve yet to begin the baby boomer hospital and medicare bubble.
But Kedzilla, when I say they are vagrants I am speaking the truth. These are not the sort of people you want to associate yourself with.
I’m positive the ones your referencing, the ones that take dumps in the middle of the street and can fit a baseball bat through their ear lobes, are vagrants. No argument here.
Yes, the kind of people who have to be cleared out of the park so it can be cleaned like a cat’s litterbox. The ones who leave spent condoms and food wrappers (environmentally friendly, I’m sure) all over public gathering places. If you have a message, get it together, articulate it, and fight for it. Problem is that some of them are so anti-authority that they won’t even allow themselves to be organized.
There was an older lady on the teevee here recently, a grandmother, very nice lady, and she was protesting. Why? Because her son lost his job, had to take a lower paying job, and he had a family to support and bills to pay. “Something has to change” To me, that is it in a nutshell.
Oh, we’ve begun all right.
Obama’s response? Cut the payroll tax.
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This Coralla hack is correct, there have got to be losers and there always will be in capitalism. But, you’ve (US Government) prevented the losers from failing because its your (not specifically you, Jake) safety blanket. Since even the richest people in America can’t fail, why should we let the poorest.
Please no posterboard republican buzzword bullshit response.
I’ll take a crack at it: because the problem is not with Wall Street, it is with K Street. Why go after them when what they are doing is completely legal (and morally and ethically questionable) by lobbying for policies enacted to cover their asses and squeeze the rest of us? Does Wall Street vote on budgets, amendments and laws? Nope. Congress does and the Executive Branch contributes (horrible) direction.
And yet election after election, the most ethically-challenged people in Congress get re-elected, gain more and more power, get more and more contributions from big corporations, and continue the cycle.
So, logically thinking (an admitted mistake), the anger should be directed at Washington and the politicians. Problems is, when the movement is supported and encouraged by those in power currently, it gets kind of messy having them at your doorstep.
Just my nickel, keep the change.
Right on my man. Exactly my concern – the movement didn’t unify and was portrayed for the wrong reasons. The fundamental problem is corporations controlling government, not spoiled poetry majors.
you’ve got to be kidding.
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
take a look. 395 reported incidents.
the media has been protecting OWS from the get-go.
and the reason why “a unified message” has not become clear, is that the media is not reporting the unified message, the call for SOCIALISM and getting rid of Israel once and for all.
half the banners at occupy rallies blame the Jews,
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/11/09/fresh-anti-semitic-videos-coming-out-of-occupy-wall-street/
the other half wants to abolish capitalism in favor of socialism.
why do you think the American Nazi party is a proud supporter of OWS?
or the Communist party?
or North Korea,
or Ayatollah Khamenei? (the religious leader of Iran)
take a look (with links as proof): http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the-99-official-list-of-ows/
anyone who supports these degenerates should take aminute and explain to me why they are supporting something that nazis, communists and religious radicals and dictators fell in love with.
When is your fox news journalism career beginning? Your post is RIVETING.
I’m not going to browse 395 meaningless citations, are there any incidents of abuse by police reported there?
I will not sit here and let you post one youtube of some random black guy spouting stereotypes and have some ignorant child then try to tell me Hitler youth is camping out on my province house.
Keep believing your magical story about entitlement to a desert because of some fictional character from 2000 years ago. Let me know how that works out for you when you’re dead like everybody else.
kedzilla,
Your post is ill-informed and likely intentional disinformation.
George Soros (who co-owns part of the Federal Reserve known as the DTC, or Cede & Co.) funded the first OWS protest in NY, via his Ad-Busters magazine.
The two individuals who created the first OWS newspaper are hard-core communists.
Do the research man. Objective data does not give a fuck what you believe.
Soros is a hard core Fabian socialist, interested in world communitarianism via the World Bank, IMF, and Bank of International Settlements (all of this wealth is owned by unelected central bankers),
you did not even look at the links provided.
there is proof. the nazi party says so on its own homepage, for goodness sake!
another link is by media matters, hardly fox news. both say the same thing.
you’re so radicalized and brain washed that you do not take 30 seconds to check out if I am telling the truth or not.
there “meaningless citations” include RAPE and sexual assault, stabbings, theft, breaking and entering, shutting down schools…
it is your choice to defend these anti-Semites, the nazis, the communists and the criminals.
our choice here is to regard you as a person who is willing to overlook serious crimes and even affiliations to nazis, because you most likely agree with their goals.
Folks, the problem is gov’t. As long as we have a gov’t that has hundreds of billions to reward to special interests, has hundreds of billions to pick winners and punish losers, crony capitalism and corruption will be a problem.
Remember this: Most of the corporations are_following_the_rules_set_forth_by_the_gov’t.
You will never reduce crony capitalism as long gov’t does not govern by sound principles but instead by buying influence for special interests.
The easiest solution is a limited gov’t. A limited gov’t does not have hundreds of billions to toss around and cannot pick winners and losers.
Besides, you WANT corporations to act in their own best interests. A corporation SHOULD take advantage of any edge available to help them get ahead of their competition. We do not want to limit the flexibility or innovation or creativity of our corporations and businesses.
Instead, we want to limit our gov’t.
Keep in mind, these corporations are following the rules.
Get rid of those who write rules (regulations) to favor their pockets or special interests and then make gov’t small so that it yields little or no ability to pick winners and losers.
In other words, we do not have control over corporations, other than to choose whether or not to engage in business with them. This, in and of itself, is a VERY POWERFUL tool. Some would say it is more powerful than our ability to vote, since even after voting, gov’t can still imprison you and tax you to death.
Our populace has been confused by the media, the 4th estate, which itself has become an arm of the government. The media learned that covering gov’t favorably ensured continued access. Unless they were willing to work hard and actually investigate and research, outfits that did not report favorably on gov’t were likely not to succeed. Thus, we have one scratching one’s back while one washes the other’s hands.
Couple this need for access with an almost biological predilection by journalists for liberalism, and it is the perfect setup.
Corporations become the scapegoats.
In reality, you should have no control over corporations, save your ability to do or not do business. Instead, your control is in your ability to elect or not representatives are best suited to represent your interests, whatever they may be.
Again, the problem is not the corporations, which you may very easily and very severely affect by simply not doing business with. The problem is gov’t, with whom you have no choice except to vote.
You have no choice with gov’t, unless you choose to limit it. Thus, you have enacted upon it the same penalty as those who choose not to do business with a particular corporation.
That would be great, but you are two moves behind on the chess board.
Your scheme is easily thwarted by those with power (money and connections) when they control both of the major party candidates in a race either directly via large campaign donations or indirectly by funding massive and anonymous (thanks, Supreme Court) media campaigns for or against candidates.
Thanks to the anonymity, you can’t even punish corporate backers of the media campaigns you disagree with, because you won’t know who the backers are.
I don’t believe that attempts to limit the government will make government more responsive to individual citizens, because the same powers that are shaping government policy and spending today will be the ones shaping (and maintaining, or not) the new “limits”.
I would favor, instead, efforts to decrease the ability of dollars to influence government action, in hope of increasing the relative influence of votes and other non-monetary expressions by citizens.
Fundraising is a huge chore for any member of Congress planning to run again. It takes their time away from the job they were elected to do, and it encourages members to offer easy access to large contributors.
In other words, more of “one citizen, one vote” and less of “one million dollars, one member of Congress returning your calls”.
This is the liberals’ biggest blind spot — the farcical belief that somehow “limiting dollars” going to campaigning will somehow limit corruption and cronyism.
Take a look at Venzeula — perhaps the farthest extreme of a crony socialist state in existence (even Cuba is not so hand in glove with a private sector, as there is largely none).
Do you think Venezuela’s problem is campaign funds? What measure of campaign money can compete with the might of the State bent to the will of entrenched power?
All you will do is push the influence peddling to a darker corner if you do not mitigate the government’s power to interefere in mutually beneficial commercial commerce.
Better we should go the way of greater sunshine — allow large donations (or at least “larger”), thereby mitigating the election cycle brain drain, but balance that with full disclosure, similar to the 13-b type disclosure in stock investing, for all individuals, PAC’s, 501c-3’s (?), etc. etc.
Then we can have ad on tv that expose whose interests are behind each candidate… and perhaps even those interests will take their own advocacy public (as they will have to now think about PR).
With $3 trillion on the line, there’s no way you attack inherent corruption without severely cutting back that flow (which, realistically, would take decades), or without increased disclosure. Cutting back disclosed influence, however, is the exact WRONG way to go about it.
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I never mentioned campaign funds.
My phrase was: “efforts to decrease the ability of dollars to influence government action”
The K-Street retirement plan for Congressional members and staff is part of the problem.
So is the revolving door between regulatory agencies and the industries they regulate.
Disclosure is important, but the courts are unlikely to allow timely disclosure and it is too easy to hide the true funders of an organization behind a web of organizations.
We’ll see advocacy ads by “Citizens for Economic Fairness” disclosing that the organization is funded by “Citizens for a Fair Economy”, which will reveal in its eventual tax filings that it is funded by a group called “A Fair Economy for Citizens” and so on.
You note:
“With $3 trillion on the line, there’s no way you attack inherent corruption without severely cutting back that flow”
I’d feel better if the cutting was directed more at spending that goes to corporations and less at spending that provides checks or direct benefits to poor/elderly/disabled individuals. While there are a few advocacy groups for such individuals, they are spending a tiny fraction of the billions spent on K Street to influence (and sometimes write) legislation to benefit their interests.
How do you staff a regulatory agency without people who have experience in the field?
And how does banning corrupt Congresscritters from K-street lobbying do anything but again make the influence flows more Byzantine. At least now I can say — LOOK! There’s that fuckbag Trent Lott! He’s a K-street Weasel! What is he working on?
In the future, it will be “Trent Lott stand-in, Trent Noob.” And Trent’s influence will be that much more obfuscated.
I guess my point is… the corrupt will find their way to large pools of money, so to have large pools of money resident in such an easily accessible place as the Fed gov’t is inherently dangerous to our pocketbooks and to our liberties.
And sorry, that goes for centrally funded charitable efforts as well. Those jobs should be devolved at least to the states, if not to the local municipalities. You cannot hope for efficiency coming from the central Feds.
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I love the point about participation awards. My hometown has gotten disgusting when it comes to the schools. It’s an upper middle class town, high school was an absolute cake walk, everybody drinking kool-aid and patting each other on the back. They let high school sports teams with a .500 record in the playoffs nowadays. I always though of sports as the most fair competition there is. You get what you put in. Now, everybody is a winner!
Kids are expecting everything to be handed over to them. It is no surprise they have that attitude in the real world.
Big government is part of the problem, the other is this bullshit idea that everyone should be entitled to a piece of the pie.
Well said
Otts… more good news for Cally.
Are you going to go down to the blood bank, and donate again?
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