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Back to the Subject of Buying Winners

If one of you little trollops mentions my foray into high beta tech again, I’m gonna punch your ears off. I don’t mind differing opinions. Truly, they can be thought provoking. Not to isolate one person’s comments and toss him onto the BBQ grill, but I have a bone to pick with “I AM JESSE LIVERMORE.”

First of all, the stupid name suggests he’s some sort of wannabe short seller, based upon the assumption that he thinks he’s Jesse Livermore– ergo, the name choice.

After I posted my buy of SLCA, which is +2 from my cost basis, JESSE “fucked face” LIVERMORE had this to say:

 

I Am Jesse Livermore

jesus christ, the object is to buy LOW and sell high, not the other way around Fly.

 

What the fuck does that even mean? I guess he assumes I shouldn’t buy stocks when in a roaring bull market, because, ummm, stocks are trending the fuck higher?

He continues, after being called out on the carpet for the dog that he is:

I Am Jesse Livermore

Certainly not when the weekly RSI is at 80, which is what SLCA is at now.

Or when a stock is up 98% since the SPX bottomed in early Feb. And insiders are dumping the stock like crazy.

This is the exact same thing you did w/WDAY, YELP, FEYE, SPLK etc. Chased big winners.

So because I lost money over the past month, I should discontinue the methods that have made me successful over the past 18 years? Moreover, he cites insider selling, which has been proven to be absolutely nonsensical bearish points about any company. And, lastly, of course, he cites my losses in The Four Horsemen of Financial Disaster.

Oh, by the way, there was an insider direct purchase the other day.

insiders

He’s not finished:

I Am Jesse Livermore

marcus,

““Up 98%” – so don’t buy a stock because other have been buying it?”

No, you exercise some patience and buy strong stocks on pullbacks. Not when it’s massively overbought.

And did you really think I was using cloud/saas internet stocks as comparable “peers” to a drilling supplier? Those were merely to illustrate Fly chasing big winners at highs instead of waiting for an entry point with a good risk/reward and defined downside.

And lastly, you mad bro?

 

Ok, here’s the thing that pisses me off about his whole train of thinking.

1. He believes in bullshit like RSI’s and how stocks that are going up should “breathe” and go down, as if it were that easy. Look at any major winner over the past 100 years and bear witness to their breakneck ascension into the stratosphere. Understand that scores of people, who thought just like you, shorted NFLX from $60 to 100 and AMZN from $60 to 100 and CMG from $60 to 100, only to get their fucking space helmets crushed into tiny pieces and their brains strewn out–all over their living room floors.

Rule #1: don’t assume to know anything. You are a pleb and the market kills people like you every single day, even the real Jesse Livermore.

Rule #2: don’t attack me for averaging up on a stock that is working for me, in a sector that’s highly profitable and should continue to do well for the next decade–literally.

Lastly, I’m not married to these stocks, as demonstrated by my willingness to cut losses rather quickly as of late. I’ve sold out of about 6 stocks for small losses and held one giant position for a mammoth sized win. The net result has been a +10% advantage to the good over the past month. If SLCA reverses on me, I will sell it. I certainly do not need a sermon about the tenets of investing and how I might comport myself should things go awry. Don’t assume anything, Mr. Jesse Livermore. I’ve been eating the livers of people like you for over a decade now and will continue to do so until your brokerage account assets have been depleted into pixie dust–a dream, a fantasy, a nightmare.

 

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44 comments

  1. Mr. Partridge

    The whole thing could have been resolved with a block button…

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  2. bluestar

    The Real Jesse Livermore always added to a winning position. He said if you loose money you should exit immediately. He had no idea what a RSI was. He was the best trend follower on the planet. Granted he lost and remade a fortune a couple of times over his career. The Fly is exhibiting classic livermore discipline.

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  3. halfbloodpope

    Any info on why the CFO left two quarters ago with JAZZ? Always a red flag.

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    • Dr. Fly

      The CFO left because he was cooking the books.

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    • Dr. Fly

      BTW: As fate would have it, my new next door neighbors, man and wife, are BOTH pharmacists. You could imagine the look on my face when he told me that.

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      • halfbloodpope

        You must have immediately searched my ip address.

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      • vigkap

        Dear Fly, I don’t understand your disdain for pharmacists. What have pharmacists ever done to you?

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        • Dr. Fly

          Pharmacists are merchants of death. They also are obtuse fuckheads who take their time mixing water into powder, then play it off like they are doctors or something.

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          • halfbloodpope

            And I would have thought Dr. Fly to live in a community beyond the the means of two lowly pharmacists.

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          • Dr. Fly

            The Fly is a man of the people, an ordinary fellow living out his days on extreme doses of creatine.

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          • I Am Jesse Livermore
            I Am Jesse Livermore

            Creatine? Sounds more like roid rage after reading this post Fly boy.

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          • vigkap

            LOL I love it thats too funny. I am a pharmacist so I just wondered. One day when you get old enough to take medications ( a few millennia from now) you may change your mind. Personally I enjoy filling prescriptions from behind the counter whilst blaring gangster rap. It keeps the riff raff away. I also have a large sign that says “medication errors don’t kill people, I kill people”

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  4. jules

    I learned the hard way that averaging down is a worse strategy than averaging up. If you have a winning bet it makes more sense to add, ride the wave.

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    • bluestar

      Agree 100%

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    • I Am Jesse Livermore
      I Am Jesse Livermore

      I never advocate averaging down. I advocate trend following and buying strong stocks on healthy pullbacks.

      I have this posted on my monitor, “LOSERS AVERAGE LOSERS” – Paul Tudor Jones

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  5. DEATH

    Boy, I can only imagine the post if he had also pointed out your immense girth, fatso.

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    • Dr. Fly

      This guy again: the registered sex offender who happened to make it to the internet again.

      Go away you fucking pervert.

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  6. rahagar

    The insider buys should be enough data by themselves for making “I Am Jesse Livermore” give a self-inflicted orbital sander facial.

    BTW, love your picks and post on fracking – my old industry and stomping grounds. And EPD (natty infrastructure) has been my top holding since the 2009 lows (even with one of their pipelines blowing up 14 miles from my back door).

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    • djmarcus

      Rahagar- any other MLPs you are looking at? Looking for midstream ones (actually monitoring EPD closely but am afraid to pull the trigger).

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      • rahagar

        I don’t have specific name rec’s now. I have sold down to just EPD as best in breed.
        If I were looking to put money in now I’d go with a basket of MLP’s through a CEF like $EMO, $FEI, $MIE or $SMM all trading at discounts to NAV’s. Or, I’d go with the ETF $AMLP…

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  7. heaterman

    For the record, I agree 100% on SLCA being THE force in that industry and am anticipating them starting to pick off weakened competitors via acquisition when the right opportunity presents.
    There may be ups and downs but they are in a position now which only our own government could screw up by some truly queer style laws which would diminish the oil industry as a whole.

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  8. Erik

    Thanks Fly. Pharmacist from Las Vegas. And PPT member.

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  9. ibankcorn

    Get ’em. Jesse is LiverNOmore

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  10. matt_bear

    I don’t think I’ve done well with averaging down OR up.

    My best trades are one shot entries. Like the fat guy at the end of the first Godfather kicking the god damn door in and unloading the shotgun.

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  11. djmarcus

    And nice post, fly. Please shut that clown up. Zero value add whatsoever.

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  12. mackypinky

    i like fly way better when he’s fuckin pounding on people. Do it again!

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  13. Cascadian

    Maybe dude can hurry up and get to the suicide part.

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  14. Swiss_cheese

    That Jesse Livermore Wanna-Be is the definition of a “faggot” and a “hater.” He is up there with the other regular faggot Twots which include Dr. McFucking Know Everything VaginaStamp short MCD and CAT, long IGT Douchebochery.

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  15. I Am Jesse Livermore
    I Am Jesse Livermore

    Oooohh weee! I get back from banging some hookers and doing some blow and come back to find this shit storm. Sounds like I touched a nerve.

    But seriously Fly, I picked the name IAJL b/c I read his books and follow his methods religiously and it has improved my results tremendously.

    I was simply advocating waiting for a healthy pullback in a strong stock before adding to a position. I only add to winners, not losers. I cut losing trades quickly. All good trend following principles.

    You did none of those things when you were buying those ridiculous high beta tech stocks that lost you all that money. You didn’t wait for a dip, you chased them at their highs. You didn’t cut your losses quickly. You averaged down.

    It was all chronicled for the world to see.

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  16. I Am Jesse Livermore
    I Am Jesse Livermore

    What a bunch of fucking vaginas on this blog. Everyone is all butthurt and gets their panties in a bunch b/c someone has the balls to point out that Fly might be making the same mistakes that cost him dearly just weeks ago.

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  17. I Am Jesse Livermore
    I Am Jesse Livermore

    “LOSERS AVERAGE LOSERS” – Paul Tudor Jones

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  18. Trading_Nymph

    Wish we could just hurry up for the ECB meeting, this waiting is taking so long.

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  19. flyaway18

    I averaged up on my Apple long yesterday. I was thinking, Fly, you have not added to your Apple long since you bought?

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  20. Gary

    guy is a moron, if he knew anything about Jesse L he would know that he always adds to winners. Jesse never followed “buy low sell high mentality” he specifically said he never buy a stock when its going down…..The objective of Jesse L was to buy high sell higher and sell low and cover even lower he was a trend follower while this guys is a noob trolling around the net.

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  21. J Mac

    Jesse is/was an apostle of Stephen Vita. Vita always quoted the adage of never averaging down. Personally, I think there is a time and place for everything including averaging down.

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  22. gorby

    Good morning all.What a shit storm this
    morning.Poor Jeese.
    I used to play B-ball back in the day.My
    A shot wasfrom the left side of the key.One time in very closegame my shooting
    guard passes the ball too me in my spot.I had enough time to bake a cake.Well of course clank and then he says you got to make those. Well fucking duh
    you cocksucker.
    Jesse leave it alone.

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