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How’s That Inflation Working Out For You?

Perhaps the ECB will do an EMERGENCY rate hike, in order to stave off inflation. The Italians are stuck in a giant bowl of meatball soup, dragging the rest of Europe down the shit hole with them. We are at a point where the Fed needs to intervene right away, else we shall dive much, much lower.

Is that good for the economy, Rick Santelli?

Of course not, fucktards.

If the market gets down 20-30% from the highs, the economy will tailspin lower, fucking the world to the tenth power.

The economy recovered sharply off the 2008 lows. However, the underlying problems still persist, starting with the illiquidity at the banks. The prospect for further stimulus here in the states is nil, mostly thanks to the Tea Party. After all, they need to fight that fucking inflation. Without stimulus or QE3, confidence will wane to the point where systemic risk grips Europe until it is choked off. The contagion will spread to Latin America, Asia and then here, first on a muni level, then on a national level.

10 year rates are at 2.5%!

One can make an argument that Congress exasperated the bloodletting with their ineptitude. Without confidence, nothing works. What you are seeing right now is a classic panic and a massive change in sentiment. I am getting crushed today and fear the selling can continue, especially going into the weekend. The only way we rally is if the Fed intervenes and ASAP.

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132 comments

  1. jg

    amen.

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  2. The Big Ragu

    FED is out of Ammo?

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  3. Prospectus

    GET IN THE FUNNEL

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  4. meatball soup murderhole
    meatball soup murderhole

    What now man fuck I lost half of my veeco acct already

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  5. FIG

    I think the Fed is worried about hyper-inflation should they intervene. However, I believe the end result will be hyper-inflation.

    We are basically fucked now, intervention or not.

    I think the fed will intervene though, because they still need to kick the can down the road.

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  6. Mr. Cain Thaler

    Well said. You can only worry about inflation if you’re alive. Fed/IMF/EU combo deal coming out this weekend. China or Russia might get involved also, as their livelihoods depend in part on exporting to Europe.

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  7. drummerboy

    helicopter ben needs to start tossing coin down on the people,or there will be a sheeple stampede…….the old lady does a great italian meat ball soup……………get your maid to make you some.

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  8. Clay

    Only stimulus possible is cutting taxes.

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    • The Fly

      You mean RAISING TAXES. Obama wants you to pay your “fair share.”

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      • drummerboy

        you had to spoil my day by mentioning that idiots name

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      • Anon

        It appears we are all paying our “fair share” now thanks to the markets. Although my “fair share” is probably a lot larger than the fair share of the millions being moved from the stock market into the bond market while the little guy and his retirement account and personal portfolio suffers.

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  9. Snoop

    Who ever had confidence in Washington DC or Congress????? They are a bunch of asshats

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  10. Scott

    WNR closes today GREEN.

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  11. scott

    No help yet. If the economy tanks into the 4th qtr., QE3 can begin shortly before the march to the elections. The “the Saviour” can benefit.

    Oh and we are going to 2% for the 10 year…

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    • FIG

      Scott, there is no way they could wait until then at this rate. I think they wanted to wait for Precious metals to sell-off before intervening, and that is what is happening today.

      More QE is on the way soon. They have no choice.

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  12. Ron Paul is back
    Ron Paul is back

    ur wrong fly

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    • The Fly

      about what?

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      • Ron Paul is back
        Ron Paul is back

        we are going higher in the short term, go back and think about everything!

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        • The Fly

          I am not selling anything. But the story has changed. Italy isn’t going to disappear.

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        • jay the coffee guru
          jay the coffee guru

          too much technical damage. all you will see is lower lows until everyone says apocolypse, then we rally into christmas. no apocalypse yet

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      No one is dumb enough to leverage themselves here. But hey, if flirting with bankruptcy court is a fetish of yours, go for it.

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  13. Cramer

    THEY KNOW NOTHING!

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  14. Trading_Nymph

    Coke is being cut off, time for Rehab

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  15. pitbull

    Thesis Statement: Although some of their policies and ideas were controversial, both Franklin D. Roosevelt and British economist John Maynard Keynes provided an indispensable source of leadership and skill in bringing America out of the Great Depression, Roosevelt with his New Deal, and Keynes with his radical theories and writings that a desperate America could not help but experiment with.

    II. As the 1920s came to a close, the American economy began to falter and the unstable stock prices foreshadowed the coming economic doom.

    A. Crop prices began to decrease, and farmers, along with African Americans and immigrants, moved to the cities to get low-paying factory jobs.

    1. As the city population grew, the gap between the rich and the poor grew as well.

    B. In September 1929, the prices of stock plummeted suddenly, and on Black Thursday (Oct. 24, 1929), the NY Stock Exchange was estimated to have lost $8 billion in paper money.

    1. This crash left investors afraid and unwilling to put money into the failing economy.

    a) The unwillingness to spend money caused a depression in the economy (known as the Great Depression).

    III. The Depression had a large impact on the lives of Americans and the overall economic well-being of the US.

    A. The Depression caused banks and businesses to close; it also caused people to “run” on the banks, or take out all their savings so that when the bank closed, they would not lose all their money.

    A. As a way to end the Depression, FDR launched his New Deal in March 1933. It aimed to provide cash for the poor and create long term plans for economic revitalization. FDR explained his ideas to the public in his radio “Fireside Chats”.

    B. In order to help him carry out his New Deal, FDR surrounded himself with a group of intellectuals and respected economists, “New Dealers”, named his Brain Trust.

    V.

    A. The Emergency Banking Act closed all banks and only allowed the financially sound ones to reopen. This “Bank Holiday” ended the practice of running on the banks.

    B. He abolished Prohibition, which helped to stimulate the economy by allowing the manufacture and sale of alcohol.

    C. The First 100 Days also brought about a series of public-works programs.

    1. The Civilian Conservation Corps created jobs by sending men to plant trees in the wilderness.

    2. The Public Works Administration and the Works Progress Administration built public buildings, sidewalks, etc.

    3. The Agricultural Adjustment Act stabilized crop prices by limiting the amount of crops and livestock farmers could put out.

    E. The Federal Housing Administration paid mortgages for struggling homeowners, and the Federal Emergency Relief Act set aside $5 million to give to the poor.

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    • j

      Pitbull

      Fuck off with Keynes will you. Keynesian economics is basically a toxic brew of bullshit. It’s over. There will not be another Keynesian attack on economic well-being again in our lifetimes thank god.

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      • TraderCaddy

        The primary factor that saved FDR and the economy was WW II.
        Factories started humming again and manufacturing exploded (mostly with war stuff, the consumer goodscame several years later).
        I know.
        Let’s do a World War III.
        We must do this in order to save us.

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        • drummerboy

          tax rates were 90% back then,very few people had a phone, very few people owned a car. not everybody went to school. less than a hundred million people lived in the u.s. alaska and hawahi (sic)werent part of the states yet. different time, different era different everything

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          • TraderCaddy

            Also better looking women in the ’40s.
            At least from what I can see in the books.

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          • drummerboy

            true pioneer women.knew how to hitch a team,plow a field,cook some grub, and plant da wnr with a smile on her face by sundown

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      Suck off, and your high school lecture.

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    • Frog playing a colorful accordion with emotional fortitude
      Frog playing a colorful accordion with emotional fortitude

      Pittbull, you are totally right. However, most traders love the doctrines of Von Mises, Hayek, and Ron Paul, who is totally ignorant of economics in every way. So you will get nowhere on a stock trading board with these ideas. Perhaps you should post them on some other type of board.

      People love their ideologies, because the modern world is so big and complex that it is overwhelming. Ideologies give you the “right” answer even without your having to consider individual situations or any facts at all. Facts are altered, ignored, or re-interpreted in order to fit into the main thing– the ideology around which your world and your identity revolve.

      The Ron Paul/ Von Mises ideology is so popular with traders because, although they may not know much of anything, they know that they do not want to pay more taxes. And this ideology provides a wonderful story about how the economy, government, and society would be doing wonderfully if no one paid any taxes. The story is not true, but no one notices this. Humans love pretty stories that end up with their finding a magic lamp with a genie in it and getting 3 wishes.

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      • JakeGint

        Sorry, socialism still doesn’t work. Hayek didn’t need to prove that, the 20th century did.

        _________

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    • Anon

      Well why didn’t just say so? We can send illegal immigrants to plant trees in the wilderness and that will solve the entire economic debacle! What should their wages be? 2 dollars a day?

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  16. Ron Paul is back
    Ron Paul is back

    WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! 100 POINT RALLY FROM BOTTOM! RRRRAAAAALLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. rookie

    QE3 won’t help the underlying problems of our economy… didn’t we learn that already from QE1+2. how is the market asking for a bailout via QE3 not similar to people on welfare asking for a handout? it’s not. let the free market reign..

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    • The Fly

      Wrong. Without QE, the market would be at 5,000

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      • ckalt

        gas would have been a $1…..Tought choice save the speculators or the real economy. First two rounds have gone to speculators. F it let our kids deal with the mess. Bring on QE3

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      • JakeGint

        Market would have flushed and reset by now.

        Instead we have pump-bomb, pump-bomb, pump-bomb.

        You like Chinese Water torture?

        _____

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      At this point, there is going to be a deleveraging (a.k.a. losses). The question is, do you want those losses to come visciously, leaving people with no money to engage in trade with, and generally shutting down half the economy.

      Or would you rather those losses occur over trade and industry, on the buying and selling side?

      It sounds good to say QE didn’t work. But it let lot’s of people get liquid and stay in the game, which is much better than suddenly chocking off parts of the country and having crude methods of barter springer up everyone, accented ever so slightly with starvation.

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      • drummerboy

        thats already happening mr.thaler.the market is telling us that now

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  18. Ron Paul is back
    Ron Paul is back

    QE1 and QE2 worked u imbeciles! It worked look at the GDP numbers! It wasn’t a good type of work, but it was work. It wasn’t sustaining work, but it was work that produced fake inflationary results. Do u guys think the market is F*cn smart enough to know if it worked or didn’t. The majority of money is dumb money, and waiting to be lost. Follow it for now, then crush it at the last moment just like the big bets did right before the sub prime collapse. Be smart money and follow the sheep up to the cliff and let them fall off. BASIC STOCK INVESTING 101! That is my lesson for the day, now vote me for ur president u damn idiotic fools!

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    • The Fly

      Exactly.

      QE worked, but cannot do it all. The Govt is really messing with sentiment, going after corp jet guys. Without QE, we’d be in a depression.

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  19. BIg Wee Wee

    What is wrong with this Ron Paul is Back guy ?
    Señor Fly: Do the right thing

    Also these are the days where you realise how using margin is the devil

    BWW

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  20. WTF

    How about the Fed announcing provision of support lines to the Europeans to buy out their bonds? That will be sort of QE3 but not domestic, so the Tea Party should find it acceptable because they can interpret this option as non-inflationary for the US, and this will help alleviate the markets’ concerns. Just a thought on possible moves by the Fed…

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      I’m am like 99% confident the tea party is not going to read into it that deep, and just assume the Fed buying anything with money it doesn’t have is bad news.

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  21. Colonel von Ryan
    Colonel von Ryan

    Every now and then a generation of folks need to make sacrifices, this is the time I will gladly do it for my kids and future grandchildren because I am not greedy and I want to see them succeed. Obama and the Dems are out of here for the next 20 years as we sort through this mess…

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  22. pgwarner

    If you fear something – fear DEFLATION. Europe is there folks. That is what the FED fears – DEFLATION. They are right to fear it. Rick S. Tea Partiers, Jake and all the rest can choke on the MEDICINE they want us to take. I ain’t no Liberal but I ain’t no fool either!

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  23. Mr. President

    Paxil prescriptions are going through the roof, I’ll bet.

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  24. jimmy_two_times

    Agreed.

    Deleveraging is a bitch !!!

    should have taken “the big bath” when we had a chance and had write downs acorss the board. WOuld have been tough at the time, but we’d be better for it today.

    We’ve crossed the Rubicon, QE# must continue until it can’t, even though it will not help the underlying economy. Like Fly said, what else does the US have to offer? Well I guess we could hire out the military!!

    As much as I want to believe in the bearded one me thinks we go lower for now. Once at max pain Benny and The Ink Jets will be able to do what ever they want.

    I found comments from former governors interesting 600B helped “at the margin”. I suspect the next QE will be nuclear, or at least bazooka in size.

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  25. Johnny2time

    I suppose this is the crises phase for Europe and Al Gore’s pending American Spring.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

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  26. BIg Wee Wee

    Is Jean Claude Trichet on crack ?
    Thinking Europe is better off than the US and Japan

    BWW

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  27. toptick114

    1. The Economy did NOT recover from 2008. Global equities markets recovered via free money. Green Shoots and other verbal diarrhea spewed were merely an ‘illusion’.

    2. Major Money Center Banks remain Insolvent.

    3. They will take global equities markets lower in order to justify further printing (QE3 or whatever they wish to name it) with the masses ultimately ‘begging for it’, resulting in further currency depreciation and ultimately, $600 + ‘T’ global OTC Derivative apocalypse- Global currency crisis-Global Bond Market implosion.

    4. Global Hyper-inflationary depression is underway!

    Indeed!

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    • Dr Genius

      u need a life. i feel sorry for u, especially when u wish death and gloom on others in every moment of ur life. go get laid.

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      • toptick114

        ” Most people hear only what they want to hear, while very few act on what they see.”

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  28. AlphaBetaBanjo

    The naked Put which was QE etc has been removed for now……..this is the margin call or a gut test. We will live on

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  29. The_Real_Hmmm

    I can say with 100% certainty that there will be another housing meltdown if deflation rears its head again and prices decline. The transfer of debt from insolvent homeowners to government assisted FHA loaned new home buyers was vast. In the RDN call they said that the FHA makes up 40% of the new PMI market. With house purchases levered ~30:1 in most cases (3.5% down) and two years of equity in addition to that, there’s a small buffer new homeowners can handle.

    Congress, should they ever come back from their arduous vacation, must make fiscal adjustments to help demand. Monetary policy has been more than accommodating.

    I think it’s time to read Bernanke’s 2002 famous deflation speech again. Here’s the link.

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      Nice work, Hmmm. It’s been too long since I’ve gotten to enjoy one of your posts. I need to make more time for them.

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      • The_Real_Hmmm

        Thanks Cain. I always enjoy your posts and I’m glad you are a full time blogger here.

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    • Anon

      Housing meltdown? I thought it never recovered and is still melted today.

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  30. Josh

    http://www.mittromney.com/

    Just donated $100.00

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    • FIG

      ROFL! Like he’s gonna help?

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      • TraderCaddy

        I wouldn’t donate .02 to any politician that exists today.
        Unless of course I was in college again and Eugene McCarthy was running.

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    • Bond Troll

      lol… support the Mittness Protection Program, it needs help; we have all been blessed with Rombama care.

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  31. TraderRick

    I have lost all respect for the Fly.What a weiner, crying for Bernanke to save Him from his poor investment choices.

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    • Ron Paul is back
      Ron Paul is back

      Leave the FLY alone, he is in a state of shock right now. It doesn’t mean he will do the wrong thing and sell. But wat it does mean he will tell u that he wrong right before he is right again. It’s part luck, part math, part emotion

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    • drummerboy

      put your calls and balls on the line for millions to see rick. you got those kind of cojones rick. he’s not asking for nothing. go say the same on jamie dimons’ site,or better yet gs’s site. or C’s site. you will be promptly led by armed security from the tsa for waterboarding………..it’s all the flys’ fault damn it.time to buy the RAID

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    • yxd0018

      FLY, as a talented trader, we look up to you. So be strong and forward-looking. Nobody need to save you except yourself.

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    • The Fly

      Right, we’re gonna balance our budgets out of this, right?

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      • TraderRick

        When your in a hole the first thing you got to do is STOP DIGGING!

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  32. mhass33

    I have a feeling fireworks are imminent

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  33. Quint

    How long until we invade Europe? None of them have a decent military. Then we can just LBO those country’s assets and spin them off in IPOs led by Goldman, JPMorgan and Citi.

    Screw those Euroweenies, here comes the US Dollar!

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  34. TraderCaddy

    Wake me up when we get below the 600 day moving average.

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  35. FIG

    I recall Fly saying he would keep buying GSVC even if it went to $12. Looks like he may be a man of his word.

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  36. riggedgame

    Demand is suffering because the rich businessmen pay themselves too much, and pay their
    American employees too little. They have destroyed the American middle class.

    We need a 90% tax rate on the top 1%, and a minimum wage of $10 an hour. Henry Ford
    knew this principle when he paid his worker $5 an hour in the 1930’s.

    People (especially Ford workers) bought Fords by the gazillions because THEY COULD AFFORD THEM.

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    • Thurston Howell III
      Thurston Howell III

      agreed, this is how I made my millions

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    • The_Real_Hmmm

      The rich do not hoard cash. That would be detrimental to themselves and society because they would be holding an asset declining in value and extinguishing capital from the system (deflationary). They are smart enough to put it to work in assets. Corporate execs have deferred compensation in stock, money managers put their cash to work in American companies, and moguls corner their markets through investment. Enough with this bashing of the rich mentality, it’s ridiculous.

      The only stupid thing in my opinion is the AMT which has not been indexed to inflation since 1969. This has the effect of increased taxation on the middle class without the equivalent on the top tax bracket. This should be reformed because all it’s doing is taking extra money out of the middle class’ pockets.

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    • Andy

      Riggedgame – I think you may be confused in more ways than one. In 1914 Henry Ford doubled the worker’s wages to $5 a day. This was in an effort to retain workers. Turnover was a huge problem due to work sucking so bad. Average factory wages around that time were less than half that. The model Ts were selling for $575 then. That was about the annual salary of a non-Ford factory worker. I am sure he sold a lot to Ford workers but most were sold to the public. In relative terms, cars are cheaper today – especially if you choose an economy base model (which btw is 1,000 more car than a model T).

      They were able to sell millions by continually reducing the price of they car. It hit the market at $850 but near the end of its 19 year run was selling for $280. Improvements in the manufacturing process and not changing the car for 19 years helped. That wouldn’t fly today. You are comparing apples to oranges.

      By 1935, average wages in the US had risen to roughly $6 a day (not hour). I bet Ford paid better, but not 8 times the average.

      Your 90% tax rate idea is so absurd it doesn’t even warrant a comment.

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  37. Chango

    Woodshedder’s analysis from last night was spot on. The hammer was a bull trap!

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    • TraderCaddy

      Woodshedder is feasting on Pulled Pork, Mustard Greens, and a six pack of Natty Boh as we speak.

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    • Ron Paul is back
      Ron Paul is back

      Woodshedder is talking candlestick non sense. Who cares, we go higher from here and he’ll get put in the woodshed if he hold his short any longer

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  38. Science Speaking
    Science Speaking

    Volatility is a measure of the tendency of a substance to vaporize.

    Increased volatility in markets vaporizes the inflationary stimulus allowing further QE.

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  39. Mr. Partridge

    I am not worried.. there will be an oversold rally… one of these days

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  40. yxd0018

    OMG, WNR is horrible.

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  41. Ron Paul is back
    Ron Paul is back

    ur all scared men. Let me make one point freakn clear right now. Picture urself born every 50 years and u had a chance to work in wall street and speculate each time. Each time u worked u would realize how scared people always are and how they think the worst is going to happen at any moment. This is human nature because people are stupid. They have negative thoughts and always fail to realize that things are not negative until they are. Every one born experiences the panic on wall street and thinks the next one is around the corner. Wen a panic happens we will all know the reason and have plenty of time to act. Whether the market fakes us first or we have to short on the way down, we will all know. PERIOD!!!! Things are never a surprise. They are always obvious but ur all asleep and think too much even while ur asleep. NOW THAT IS SOME SHIT that you guys are talented at.

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    • history book

      Panic of 1819
      Panic of 1837
      Panic of 1857
      Panic of 1873
      Panic of 1884
      Panic of 1890
      Panic of 1893
      Panic of 1896
      Panic of 1901
      Panic of 1907
      Panic of 1910-1911
      The Great Depression
      Crash of 1987
      Metldown of 2008.
      “we will all know? They happen pretty often throughout history and most people are never prepared for it.

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      • Quint

        how should we prepare?

        I already have duct tape and bottled water.

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    • drummerboy

      wrong ! this is the second time the market shit all over itself within a less than 3 year time line. once bitten,twice shy. or the talking dumb ass heads wouldnt be talking about “sideline” money for the last 2 plus years……………………….hey ron paul here is some ‘shit” to ponder. we are in an employment vortex.i’ll try an explain. 50 million boomers start to retire now,fed gov doesnt have our money. so the plan? the plan is to fuck things up so bad,that you knock a good portion of the middle class from employment for a bunch of years so that the perpetual unemployed,10-12 years away from retirement,into subpar paying jobs. social security calculates on your 10 highest years of earnings.thus screwing people who used to make 50k a year,plus or minus from the calculations, and the payout to these very people will be “several”hundred dollars less every month .my group of boomers has just over a decade to go before we get anything.so now i’m eligble for 1400 a month on my calculations from ss, if i take a stockboy job for ten years i’l be lucky to get 800…………NOW THAT IS SOME SHIT.stupid people only see whats in front of them,or behind. and a visonary your not. they have been running diversionary till now they have run into a brick wall……now what…….cause a capped crusader aint happenin

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      • Po Pimp

        Oh fucking please. The high since the 2009 lows was back in May at 1370. We’re at 1200. That’s a 12% decline. Sucks for sure, but it ain’t exactly end of the world type shit. Maybe it’s the start of the end of the world, but so far nothing that out of the ordinary.

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    • Anon

      We will all know the reason and have plenty of time to act? We all know ? How? When? Prove it, please.

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  42. chris

    Interesting how everyone is almost begging the Fed to bail them out once again. How many times are we going to do this? QE3? 4? 5? Printing money can’t be good. You might get yours today but damn if future generations are not going suffer for it. Stimulus? The economy clearly is not impressed. But hey, let’s try some more and see how deeper we can dig this motherfucking hole.

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    • jimmy_two_times

      the euroweenies began buying up bonds yesterday (QEeing) market participants didnt seem to care too much for it.

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  43. weirdo jay

    who’s ready to load up on TMV calls again with me this eyar because we just don’t care anymore?

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  44. Iron

    Looks like typical panic time.
    I was about 45% equity, 55% “other” when the drop started from the years high.
    Starting to pick, small nibbles, at selective names. 1% to 1 1/2% positions. At 60 years old and with a long run in the markets my gun slinging days are long gone.
    Bought MDT today at 33.50
    VMC on Tues. at 31.50
    LOW at 21 on Monday.
    Long term holds……..hopefully.
    Looking at XOM but sub-70
    Plus ORCL, PAYX, EXPD, SYK…………and a few more. All much lower.

    Buffett’s favorite market valuation tool is total market cap divided by GDP. I track that metric and keep my Equity vs. “Other” ratios allocated accordingly. No emotion involved.

    Good luck to all though, regardless of system or method.

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  45. lol

    WE’RE IN BEAR MARKET!!!!

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    • Quint

      Maybe you should just say, WIBM – since your grammar is horrible.

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  46. coin

    fuck WNRRRRRRRRRRR

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  47. Quint

    Big waves at the beach today…ironic given the market.

    The Sea was angry that day, my friends – like an old man trying to send soup back at a deli.

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  48. Global View

    It’s not only about QE3, but WWIII as this morning there are red rivers of blood in Northern Syria while the West
    won’t do a thing to help these protesters for now…

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  49. Mr. President

    This one could be more dangerous than 2008. In ’08 the correction took everyone by surprise and we were able to pull out our machine guns and fend it off. This time the general populous already knows that we’ve exhausted all options and we’re out of ammo.

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    • Cascadian

      Nobody knows shit– that’s the problem. And we have no confidence in any kind of leadership.

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    • Colonel von Ryan
      Colonel von Ryan

      You are correct. This is going down fast. By the time Mr. John Doe clicks into his 401k account at work and rebalances into bonds it’ll be too late because they only make changes after the bell…

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      • drummerboy

        not only after the bell.but when i dumped mine back in 07,they had me wait for a tuesday after the bell. talk about wtf

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  50. Cascadian

    There is a limit to living on credit.

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  51. Big Wee Wee

    Ladies and Gentlemen

    Buy Buy Buy into this close if we have learned anything look at the charts.
    This is where we bounce from.
    I just wired in money from savings.
    Again, I can be wrong this can be idiotic and leave me broke or this severely undersold condition will pop.
    Monsieur Le Fly, MD, PhD any insight?
    Look at DECK getting butt raped.

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  52. razorsedge

    we already have a double dip in housing, banks r now releasing houses they have been holdin on there books,,

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    • drummerboy

      home prices are back to mid 80’s prices.if they try and ram minimum wage for all down the throats of the middle class then home prices need to be where they were between early to late 60’s.pffft

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  53. inandout

    It tough to trade on these days hard to go long and hard to go short for me at least.

    One trading method that has always worked for me that I use to make steady gains in a normal market, or when I need it simply to use when I have no conviction in a shaky market.

    disclaimer —This advice is not for Mr. Fly

    Example:
    a few figures for quick scalping I’m using if you can get it near there or to pick some up to hold overnight for a swing if one feels the overwhelming urge to fight the trend or attempt to play a quick bounce.

    I usually use futures but I know most don’t actively trade futures here , to use say (SSO) or (SPY) would work but look to SP or SP minis for a reference of course

    I’m using 1208 to cut losses on some I just picked up here , next important level for me longer term if 1208 don’t hold on are 1160 , 1120. I tend to sell half on any pop to cover or get above my stop loss price , so if I get stopped on the other half I break even or still walk away with a small profit at times,even when the overall trades go against me, the times it doesn’t work is when a big gap occurs or the price never bounces high enough for me the cover my stop price .

    for example : I’m getting in the blood at starting at the 1214 level here i’m mostly tic trading quick ones for small gains or losses here 6 points away from my stop ,
    usually I would set up the trade up(unless tic trading) looking to sell half at or slightly above 1226 to cover stop price(if it goes above 1226 I’ll raise my stop on half to 1226 and try to sell it higher or get stopped out that half for a profit either or, then look to sell the remaining half higher. Or I get stopped out that half at 1208, or dreadfully all at 1208 if no bounce occurs and take my loss whichever comes first. A print of 1207 I have to be out for this trade.

    If it breaks 1208 that would be my daytrading/swing reference point I would go short below with a stop right above , look to cover half on any drop then trade the rest, or if it goes against me I would cover all at 1209 and go long with a 1208/1207 stop, back and forth (fast) till the trend moves away from that figure.

    It can go either way all the time (shit happens in the world) but these types of risk managed trades always work well for me in any market with longs or shorts with or against the trend.

    Say even if 50%(a poor number) of the overall complete trade only works out and I get to sell all my position in increments higher only half the time.

    Then there is the other 50% where the complete trades doesn’t work
    25% of this piece of the pie I get to sell half slightly higher so if I got stopped out the rest yes my overall trade failed but I walk away with a small profit still.
    25% of the time I get stopped half and break even.
    50% of this piece of the pie I get stopped out all and take a loss on the full position.

    When applied correctly with tight levels for example only (trade) buy or short within .33-1% of your stop price(depending on time frame) when referring to the overall market as a main reference point when trading Snp Etf’s, Straight futures ,or a individual stock using the overall market levels for your trade.

    If one is just trading a individual stock set your levels a % number close to those levels say 1- 3% or so , when it gets in that range buy or short and follow the same process , especially high beta more room is needed and for longer time frames

    This is one of the successful method I learned and have been using for a while now to manage risk (especially when going against a trend for long or short positions)on these types of trades.
    I use this method mostly for daytrading or tictrading with tighter levesl not all the time but when I need it , overall it’s boring but works. It also works well for me with swings or a combo of the two . A vast majority of the time I will daytrade this way and keep some for a swing only if I got to cover my stop price by successfully daytrading it. The times I was only swing trading I used this method at times and it was successful as well.

    It boring but works when I need it to , I must rather freehand my trades more with wider spreads from buy short to cover stop points, but when I’m managing risk especially in shaky markets this has been one method that keeps me in the green even though it is not my preferred style of trading.

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  54. Hugh Hendry

    The “inflation” is working out well for me. No offense Senator Gint.

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  55. razorsedge

    yesterday when we got the build in oil report, it was a signal we were fucked

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