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Obama, The Divider in Chief, Invokes Reagan ‘Rolling Over in His Grave’ in Attempt to Shame Republicans into Hating Putin

The agitprop out of the White House isn’t working these days, thanks to the advent of fake news of course. Following weeks of hysteria, following Donald J. Trump’s triumphant victory of Hillary Clinton and Obama’s legacy, Obama took to the podium for one last time to divide Americans — this time invoking the revered late President Ronald Reagan — saying he’d be ‘rolling over in his grave’ now had he known that over a third of republicans approve of Putin in some random poll.

If Obama truly wants to know why Americans are willing to accept the words of Putin, undoubtedly a strong man leader, over his — he should take a look in the mirror and then gander over to his computer to re-read all of the Wikileaks from John Podesta’s email that Putin so graciously made available to us all. They speak volumes about the corruptness and the rot permeating in our capitol. Even without the emails, we see the neocon strategy of persistent war and deceit hollowing out this nation — devouring its resources, emptying its treasury, and there is nothing redeeming about it.

During the press conference, Obama provided his media with incontrovertible evidence that Russia was behind the WikiLeaks, saying ‘not much happens in Russia without Putin’s approval.’

Russia has a land mass of 6,592,800 sq miles and Putin controls every single inch of it. This is retard level thinking.

Moreover, Obama says he told Putin to ‘cut it out’ when he last saw him in China, warning him of serious consequences. Luckily for us, Putin got scared and ceased all further hackings. However, the damage had already been done and the Wikileaks released.

I suppose this type of lazy thinking appeals to a certain subset of America, else why would he make such infantile statements?

The Divider in Chief, one last time reminding himself and the press that XENOPHOBIA against Russians is good. The Russians are a useless sort, who produce nothing of interest, a very small and weak country, only capable of wiping out the entirety of America 10x over via very large nuclear detonations. Oh, and you pesky republicans love Putin because you’re sooo political.

This is what some might call ‘idiotic diplomacy’, mocking and deriding a rival nation to the point of war, a war that could exterminate life on planet earth for at least a millennia. Genius.

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198 comments

  1. frog

    Are you guys ever going to get tired of bashing Dems. I guess you will bash the lame duck president until his last millisecond in office. Then what will you do? Go though Democrat bashing withdrawal? Or bash Dems still even though they will control no branch of government?

    The late President Ronald Reagan WOULD BE rolling over in his grave now, had he known that over a third of republicans approve of Putin in some random poll.

    But it doesn’t matter what the lame duck president said anyway, except for people whose life revolves around bashing Dems.

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    • it is showtime

      We’re bashing globalists. And shadow govt elements. Some nuance would help (you)

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    • moosh

      This was hardly bashing, I might add…why are you always bashing people by calling them bashers when they point out retarded ideas spewed by our very best professional politicians?

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      • Dr. Fly

        because she’s crazy.

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      • frog

        Everything any Dem ever does or says is considered retarded or bad by hard line Right Wingers, even if it’s exactly the same thing their guy does.

        Obama said some really reasonable things there. But Fly and other Right Wingers always think of a way to bash him. If Obama and Trump said exactly the same thing on the same day, Right Wingers would think of a reason why it was true and good when Trump said it, but was bad and retarded and untrue when Obama said it.

        That’s why I say Right Wingers bash the Left. Because they do. Even when the Left has no power, controls no branch of government as of next month, and has no influence on your life. Even then, Right Wingers will find ways to bash Dems like Obama, regardless if what they do or say.

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    • riotact

      Agree 100%. How good is Putin at propaganda? He has Fly and co actually taking his side over America’s own Intelligence Agencies. And last I checked his approval rating is pretty good too. Amazing.

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      • frog

        Putin is VERY good at propaganda– probably the best in the world. Everyone who has been high up in the Russian government, like Putin, is great at it. In fact our own Right Wing capitalist propaganda began from the Russian model. It was written by Ayn Rand, who grew up in the USSR.

        After she moved to the U.S., she wrote Atlas Shrugged, AKA The Capitalist Manifesto, a capitalist propaganda manual written as a novel, using all the Communist propaganda techniques but promoting laissez faire capitalism instead. Rand added some sex, and some delusions of grandeur in the characters, to apeal to the physical and emotional adolescents who would be the readers of her book. And it was off to the races. It is a favorite of Paul Ryan and many other Right Wingers.

        Here is a web site that says it looks at Russian propaganda influence in American media. People got really pissed at them because a lot of Right Wing sites, and a few on the Left, were mentioned as towing the Russian line, and they didn’t like that.

        http://www.propornot.com/p/home.html

        Here is a WA Post article on it, that WA Post updated, after someone threatened to sue them for writing about the propornot organization.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.2ce4b6b70090

        That organization seems to get nothing but bad press. Why? Is it because sites are being falsely categorized? Or because they are being exposed for what they are doing and they would rather hide?

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        • metalleg

          Frog, regarding the IRS and Obama’s lack of patience…

          Why defer to Obama on that? I didn’t ask for Obama’s opinion. And by the way, Obama saying that is like me saying I don’t like punching you in the face as my fist dislodges your facial hair.

          As Trump says, “words.”

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        • The Maven

          If WaPo said it, it MUST be true. ROFL and how does one equate Ayn Rand with ideas she “brought out of the USSR”? That makes no sense at all, ludicrous.

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  2. bennyhill

    Wow. Putin like Assad is a mass murderinh criminal with the blood of innocent Syrian children on his hands and you are referring to Podestas silly emails?? Did you also forget that he shot down a commercial jet?? Damn you guys are unreal.

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    • Dr. Fly

      Everything you said is literally democrat talking points, none of which has been proven true.

      Bear in mind, it is American meddling in the middle east that caused Syria, which armed ISIS. Assad is the legally elected leader of Syria and Russia is there by invite. We, on the other hand, are literally backing terrorists in attempt to regime change, once again.

      How’s that worked out so far?

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      • macpatton

        American meddling..exactly right. Along with the rest of the colonial powers. I think you said at one time you read the Seven Pillars of Wisdom by Lawrence.

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      • frog

        American wars in the Middle East have not worked out well. I can agree with that. It’s also an established fact that Assad is a mass murdering criminal with the blood of innocent Syrian children on his hands– unless you just choose to disbelieve mainstream media, and choose to believe only pro-Russian Right Wing media.

        It’s a matter of whom you believe. Few, if any, people here have ever been to Russia or Syria. So no one knows the facts first hand.

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        • Dr. Fly

          Not our place to remove him. Let the Syrians decide for themselves.

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        • Dr. Fly

          After all, we are 100% responsible for the Syrian civil war.

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        • frog

          That’s not what the news I read says. But I expect that that’s what the news you read says.

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          • chuck bennett

            Frog,

            The news says? Or the parts you wanna listen 2?

            children being sold into slavery and forced rape is worse. Murdering people for there religion is worse. Who did that ? iSIS. Who’s weapons and money do they use ? Ours. Where did they fight last? Libya.

            Who put them there? We did.

            Assad you say? What do you really even know?

            People will always be ignorant fools as long as their minds are up before having the facts.

            Regards

            Chuck Bennett

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        • wolfdaddy

          That’s what they said re sadaam. I wish he was still in charge over that shithole

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        • metalleg

          Why are we picking on Assad and not the Saudis? Riddle me that one frog.

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        • frog

          Metalleg, Assad is a butcher. So was Saddam. We shouldn’t have invaded Iraq. But it would have been stupid to claim that Saddam was a nice guy, like people here claim Assad is.

          None of us here know all the information about what our strategic interests are in the Middle East– or what they correctly or incorrectly appear to be to the CIA or other government agencies involved.

          It is very complex. There may be a certain balance of power that might be maintained in the M.E. that would result in less violence rather than more. Some govt officials– correctly or incorrectly– must think that our interests are more aligned with the Saudis than with Assad. The reasons may not be publicly available information.

          Sunnis are fighting Shia, and lots of other factions are fighting each other. Our enemy’s enemy is not always our friend. Our enemy’s friend is not always our enemy. It’s more complicated than that.

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        • frog

          Chuck, you say “People will always be ignorant fools as long as their minds are made up before having the facts.”

          Yes, that is exactly how I see you. I’ll bet I have done more reading about the situation in Syria than you have, from different and conflicting sources. Your view is always identical to the pro-Russia pro-Trump Right Wing media view–every time. I have read that view. And I have read other accounts too, that seem more reasonable to me.

          Your view is very black/white. Russia and Assad good. Obama and Kerry bad. Syria rebels bad– in spite of Assad being a butcher and the rebels only trying to keep themselves and their countrymen from being killed.

          Here is what I get from reading a variety of sources:

          I would agree that ISIS is bad. But that doesn’t mean that when ISIS sees Assad slaughtering large numbers of his own people, and they see an opportunity there and come in and fight against Assad– that doesn’t mean that Assad is the good guy because ISIS is fighting against him.

          ISIS fights against a variety of other groups, some of which are as bad as they are– and Assad is as bad as they are. ISIS also decides to ally with some other groups who may be better, worse, or the same as them.

          If we don’t help the Syrian rebels– and we will not because Russia is now dictating our foreign policy toward Syria– then that will likely drive them further into the arms of ISIS, because no one else will help them defend themselves against the butcher Assad.

          Russia was invited into Syria, to defend Assad while he slaughters his own people. In return, Russia gets access to a Mediterranean port. We are obviously not going to intervene. But there is nothing wonderful about what Assad is doing or what Russia is doing. And it’s easy to see why the Syrian rebels might ally with anyone who might help them, because they and their people are being slaughtered. And naturally they want to defend themselves instead of all getting killed.

          I have asked you what your news sources are, and you always refuse to say. I am sure I have read some of them. It’s just that the mainstream news media accounts, and the Foreign Policy Association films and reading materials I have viewed and read, seem more believable to me.

          http://fpa.org/

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          • chuck bennett

            I’m sorry. Pro Russian media? The fuck u talking about?

            You can bet but you will lose.

            I’ve been to these places you read about. Read other people’s opinion all you like. Doesn’t compare to first hand knowledge

            Regards

            Chuck Benbett

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          • chuck bennett

            Being a butcher? Lol

            Like Libya like Iraq, worse off for it.

            You need to take some time and get a clue.

            You’re are off by a country mile.

            We did this. Come to grips with that and except the fact we are the culprits.

            Regards

            Chuck Bennett

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        • The Maven

          Everything this frog-person says could be lifted straight off the pages of WaPo. Absolutely worthless. Gee, I wonder why Christians in Syria back Assad? Anyone? Beuller? Froggie? Dumbass…

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  3. cancel19

    The last gasping death throughs of a Racially driven Muslim agenda! Ha ha ha ha ha!

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  4. peaches

    Fly you are most likely one of the only pro-Trump people worried about American’s becoming xenophobic.

    A nation led by an ex-KGB officer. What sort of idiot can imagine Putin feeling sad on 9/11

    Blowing up the world x amount of times is something every nation with nuke can do. It’s not a good reason to respect Putin. We could blow up the planet several times over in the 60s and kept building bombs. Khruschev didn’t nuke us after we threatened to unleash our entire arsenal (JFK would have destroyed the solar system had he done as he said) but Putin will? because we kick him out of the middle east and have our way with Syria as God intended?

    We invented those bombs. We invented the internet. The Germans invented the rest. Russia does not innovate. Russia is a backwater, always has been.

    Read your history. Barbarians. Murderers. Treat the common man like livestock. Nobody moves to Russia for the Russian dream lol. Grab a list of the ten richest Americans and ten richest Russians and see how they made their money? Life expectancy crashed after USSR collapse they can’t even do capitalism right

    Where are the Russian Chevy V8 powered 30 year old Oldsmobiles dusting new BMWs on the highway?

    How many American emigrants willingly live in Russia today?

    Russia is a shithole. Any Russian sober enough to stand up will tell you that.

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    • Dr. Fly

      rhetoric and gibberish.

      Good luck.

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    • heckler

      It’s true that Russia is an extraction based economy. No real value added. Instead of innovation, making money is just about getting there first. Another business like this: real estate.

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    • sierra water

      Maybe its just those who support Trump’s view on Russia understand the hypocrisy propagating from the Washington establishment. You fall for it line and sinker.. The democrats are astonished by the fact the Russians were trying to alter the outcome of the election?? How could such a thing be tolerated?.. What did our CIA do in the democratically held Ukraine election? We do it all the time.. The hypocrisy! How could the Russians/Syria be purposefully killing defenseless children.. a total atrocity and heart numbing indeed.. but what about the 100,000 + non combatants killed during the Iraq war on the guise of WMD.. How many children were killed or left without a mother or father? Its the hypocrisy.. Do you get it? Hillary is the epidimy of the Washing establishment and Trump is at least is trying at some level to break it up.
      Sierra Water

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  5. din

    Reinstate the ban.

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  6. frog

    Fly isn’t really worried about American’s becoming xenophobic. He is just reaching really far, to find a way to insult Obama for the 3000th time this year, by claiming that Obama is in favor of xenophobia against Russia. When Left Wingers accuse Right Wingers of something, then Right Wingers like to accuse them right back, of the same thing. Dems accuse Trump and his supporters of being xenophobic against Muslims because of Trump saying things like that he wants to deport them all. So now Right Wingers think they have to accuse Left Wingers back, of being xenophobic. So Fly thought of a way to do that.

    Obama does not want xenophobia against Russia. He just wants people to acknowledge that it’s not a good idea to consider our best interests identical to that of Russia, or to have them hack into our records etc. Not bending over backwards to please a foreign country does not mean you are xenophobic.

    But when you are addicted to Democrat bashing, and when tDem bashing is the meaning of your life, you just have to think of one more way to insult Dems, even if it makes no sense.

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    • Dr. Fly

      It may be convenient to label me ‘right winger’ but I’m not.

      Continue.

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      • frog

        You’re for Trump. And his cabinet is as Right Wing as they come.

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        • Dr. Fly

          Meh. His cabinet is filled with business leaders. They aren’t ‘right wing’ in the political sense.

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        • frog

          They are crony capitalists who have made a killing screwing over the 99.99%. They are the political donor class for the Right Wing.

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        • The Maven

          Then why did conservatives do everything they could to stop Trump? Frog, you make absolutely no sense. Trump is not a conservative, he is a Populist. Why do you think he got elected (Please don’t say Putin)? Politicians have a rating in the single digits. You are a fucking communist, I am shocked that you don’t like the ex-KGB officer, and at the same time, curious why you do not worship ex-CIA pols like GHW Bush.

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    • chuck bennett

      Again,

      Frog, you don’t know what Obama wants.

      You and peaches should make a movie. I will hold the camera

      Regards

      Chuck Bennett

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  7. heaterman

    Please Frog…you’re embarrassing yourself and making the rest of us wonder if you have lost all semblance of critical thinking skills.
    Do you really need to be reminded that we have heard, “it’s Bush’s fault” for nearly 8 years?
    Have you really forgotten that 0bama ridiculed Romney during the 2012 debates for claiming Russia was public enemy number one?

    I suppose if one gleans all information from typical MSM sources I can see where your thoughts have become clouded. As I type this no less a news persona than Scott Pelley of CBS fame is pontificating endlessly about the evils of Vlad the Putin. A full 10 minutes of the newscast has been devoted to the contrivances of this particular network.
    What a waste. What a shameless attempt to foster discord and strife in our country.
    There is nothing to be gained by it other than pulling dirt down on top of themselves, whilst wallowing about in their self dug pit.
    A far better use of time and a truly meaningful expenditure of manpower would be to discover the veracity of the emails released by Wikileaks. But alas, that would probably lead to tarnishing the image of 0bama and as such cannot be tolerated.

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    • frog

      All a matter of whom you choose to believe, as I said above. I do understand that your tribe and its media constantly slants the news, and even makes up stories, to prove that Obama is evil, stupid, and weak, and that the Right Wingers are all pure as the driven snow. But that doesn’t make it true.

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    • peaches

      We have heard it’s Bush’s fault because it was Bush’s fault.

      The market is up. The economy is back on it’s feet. Bush inherited the most powerful nation to ever exist and handed Obama an embarrassment. It’s still an embarrassment.

      The funny thing is Obama is no King Arthur. But you guys are too busy calling him a Muslim, or the Antichrist to dig and find out exactly what he actually did wrong, effectively turning him into a hero for everyone who isn’t racist. Half of you think he is a pussy yet he has killed more terrorists than Bush did. Had we invaded Syria he would be a war mongerer. He let Putin walk all over him in Ukraine so hes a pussy. Never mind the economic calamity unleashed by his sanctions on Russia.

      If we were to grab a random group of 100 Obama haters, how many could speak for 5 minutes on the subject to people on the fence about Romney/Obama without getting laughed at.

      Muslim president with ties to a radical Christian pastor? Antichrist… doesn’t that mean Jesus is right around the corner? The Antichrist came and all he gave us was millions of jobs and gave retarded people health insurance. I was in Belgium, everyone with a decent education is entirely convinced Obama is hated for one reason alone. America got a black president and the rednecks flipped a shit. Trump took advantage of you and now we have another neocon in office. Back 16 years in history just like that.

      Good luck going long RUSL you inbred treasonous pieces of shit.

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      • frog

        You make a lot of sense in many things you say, Peaches.

        However, not everyone who hates Obama is racist. They are just people who consume Right Wing media. They didn’t make up those lies about him being the Anti-Christ and a Muslim. They heard them on Right Wing media. They don’t realize that they are signing their nation over to Russia now.

        It is a difficult problem. Because few, if any, of us have been to Russia or Syria or know Obama as a person, or have any idea what we are talking about– except for what we read or hear on the news. Some people trust the wrong news and end up believing lies, without meaning to. Knowing the truth is difficult. Everyone wants to believe it is easy, but it is a big challenge. And most people fail at it.

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        • moosh

          There you go trying to be slick and stealth bashing again…”they don’t realize they are signing their nation over to Russia now”. Please. Everyone who doesn’t agree with you is stupid and part of some tribal system of which you are too intellectual to belong too? The Dems and repubs fucking lost. This isn’t rocket science.

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        • peaches

          My point was the most popular Obama complaints among those who think he was an entirely incompetent president are racist/bigoted ones. Rarely is an Obama hater well informed, even though there is plenty of information freely available, even in the mainstream media.

          For example…
          It is legal for the government to kill U.S. citizens.

          Personally I don’t care because the U.S. citizen he killed in a drone strike was a terrorist in the middle east. Most people should not be worried about that guy. But you’d think you’d hear that one more often from these Trumpets

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        • frog

          Yes, Moosh, this isn’t rocket science. It’s trribalism.

          Sanders either lied or got something wrong by mistake in about 28% of his statements checked by politifact.

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

          Hillary Clinton 26%

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

          Donald Trump 69% (He must have said something true lately. Last time I checked it was over 70%)

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

          If you look at these 3 people, and you decide to believe and trust the one who lied 69% of the time, this isn’t rocket science. It’s trribalism– believing your tribal leader because he’s your tribal leader– not because he tells the truth.

          I believed Bernie and Hillary because they tell the truth a lot, as verified by politifact and other sources.

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        • frog

          Oh, and Barack Obama 26%

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

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        • frog

          Peaches, you said “My point was the most popular Obama complaints among those who think he was an entirely incompetent president are racist/bigoted ones. Rarely is an Obama hater well informed, even though there is plenty of information freely available, even in the mainstream media.”

          Yes, I would agree. But that doesn’t mean that the people who believe those lies and make those complaints are racists. The people who made up the lies to begin with, and then put those lies on TV or radio or the Internet, are racists.

          But most of the complainers and lie believers are just repeating what their trusted news sources told them. One survey showed that Fox is American’s most trusted news source.

          Yes, the info is freely available on the mainstream media. But Obama haters don’t consume or believe mainstream media– because Fox News and their other fake media tells them that mainstream media is all lies. And they believe that. They believe everything that Fox or Breitbart or Alex Jones or Limbaugh or their other Right Wing media tells them.

          That’s the problem. Of course racism does exist. But fake news, and people sucked into believing it, is much more widespread than racism.

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        • The Maven

          You don’t like Obama? Racist. You don’t like Shillary? Misogynist. I heard it all the time on my Facebook feed.The politics of division, an Obama Legacy. I dunno, maybe I am a racist for not approving the parade of failed mothers of violent felons who were brought onstage at the DNC as role models? This is too easy, lol.

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        • peaches

          Can you read Maven?

          My point was the most popular Obama complaints among those who think he was an entirely incompetent president are racist/bigoted ones. Rarely is an Obama hater well informed, even though there is plenty of information freely available, even in the mainstream media.

          For example…
          It is legal for the government to kill U.S. citizens.

          Personally I don’t care because the U.S. citizen he killed in a drone strike was a terrorist in the middle east. Most people should not be worried about that guy. But you’d think you’d hear that one more often from these Trumpets

          You can not like Obama and not be a racist. I’ve read your posts. I don’t think you, ZPN, Fly, or anyone is racist simply for not liking Obama. I hate Hilary. I love bitches though.

          But… your cancel19s and your ironbirds don’t bring up failed policies, drone strikes taking out two civilians for every terrorist killed, etc

          They bring up Obama being a Muslim… which is only a problem if you are a bigot. They are right here all over this website.

          There are stupid SJWs and hoodrat welfare queens on “our” side… aka those who didnt vote for Trump. And there are racist uneducated folks on your side../ aka those who did not vote for Hilary.

          This election was more about who you hate more. If you can sit there and tell me you KNOW Trump will make America great again, when 50% of the country thinks he won’t… then you are just as stupid as anyone who actually likes Hilary Clinton.

          There are stupid people on both sides, perhaps because the sides are not as concrete as you think.

          I like guns, I support gun rights, I think abortion is a crime but its not my problem what sluts do with their body, I think Obama is a slick opportunist more interested in his legacy than helping our country, I think Trump is an even slicker one. I’m Jewish I cannot vote for the dude who got endorsed by the Nazi party. I don’t think hes a Nazi. But I think the Nazis are Nazis. I think Hilary would have allowed for improvements to Obamacare, and out of her people pleasing weak soul, we would never have Goldman Sachs Cabinet like we do now… with the supposedly anti-establishment Trump.

          You ask why the republicans wanted to stop him, probably because they believed he was actually going to change things.

          There are brainwashed people on both sides. None of them have the balls to argue their points like Chuck Frog or you.

          Syria is our fault. So was Iraq. Chuck admitted it. I just tend to be one of those Americans who think we SHOULD take over the planet. Maybe it can be done better than Iraq was, or Vietnam. Isolationism gave Hitler the upper hand. Hitler was time man of the year. The right wing wanted FDR to be more like Hitler.

          Today we are the #1 aggressor. China and Russia are #2 and #3. Do we really want anyone else calling the shots besides us?

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  8. macpatton

    I see, occasionally, it being reported that Assange said WikiLeaks was not the source of the hacked emails. Anyone else see that?

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  9. heckler

    Almost sounds like you’d prefer he had said something unifying – hmmm… I’ve been asking that same exact thing from you.

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    • frog

      What are you talking about– unifying? This is 2016 in the U.S.A. Bashing each other is our national sport. How else would the Powers That Be– both in the U.S. and in Russia– divide and conquer us so successfully? If people stopped bashing each other, we might cooperate on common goals. Can’t have that, can we?

      Anyway, no one in the Right Wing would give Obama credit for saying anything unifying or good. So when he does so, and he frequently does, it is a total waste of his breath, as far as the Right Wing is concerned.

      Because this is all tribal stuff. The rules are: My tribe good, no matter what we do or say. Your tribe bad, no matter you do or say. Even when both tribes do or say exactly the same thing, that thing is good when my tribe does it, and bad when yours does it.

      Do you understand the rules now?

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    • Dr. Fly

      When I am charged with ruling over 350m people, you’ll get unifying shit out of me. Until then, I’ll divide and conquer.

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      • peaches

        I had a buddy. Barely made it through high school. Became a paramedic. Was a volunteer firefighter God bless him. Point is… He wasnt smart enough to realize the Colbert Report was chock full of sarcasm.

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      • frog

        “When I am charged with ruling over 350m people, you’ll get unifying shit out of me. Until then, I’ll divide and conquer.”

        You are conquered, just like the rest of us, Fly. You are making yourself conquered, just as many people are– making America a compassion free zone, where people love to bash people of the other party. The politics of cruelty. I guess we are indeed becoming like Russia.

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        • moosh

          Do you go places in the united steaks of America where you find people that on a whole aren’t compassionate? Where?

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        • frog

          Anywhere where they are discussing politics and there is disagreement. In other matters, people are often compassionate.

          The problem is that political anger and hatred and cruelty sometimes bleeds into other areas of life at times. A lot of people have been through horrid Thanksgiving dinners, and will either attend horrid Christmas dinners due to politics. With the poor person who cooked the dinner feeling very unappreciated when their nice dinner they have prepared turns into hateful conversation. Marriages and families sometimes split up over this. And some family members are at each other’s throats, about politics.

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        • frog

          “will either attend horrid Christmas dinners or will avoid being with their families altogether on Christmas, or else just run in and out quickly, to avoid the arguments and insults.” I meant to type.

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  10. din

    Battling via message boards is an exercise in futility.

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    • frog

      Whereas insulting people on message boards, because you can’t think of logical or factual arguments, as you do, this is not an exercise in futility to you?

      Or is it just that insulting and bashing Democrats makes you feel so powerful that you can’t resist doing it, as if it really does make you as powerful as you feel when you do it?

      Real power is doing something constructive, or discussing and looking for the truth.

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  11. din

    Frog is Switzerland w/ a California upbringing.

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  12. ironbird

    frog the jackass. There is no fucking tribe. That is your “tribes” problem is it not? How will you stay relevant without a population to endlessly fuck with. It is over for you and the other brain dead minions of eternal bitching hiding behind fascism. Climate change? Go fuck yourself. Gun control? Go fuck yourself. Carbon taxes? Go fuck yourself. Tranny bathrooms? Go fuck yourself. etc etc etc Merry Christmas commie.

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    • peaches

      Trump said dudes who feel like girls can go to the little girl’s bathroom to take a shit.

      I took a shit in the girl’s bathroom at Dairy Queen the other day. It was so much cleaner than the dudes room, no shit on the walls, plenty of toilet paper, there was a glade plugin in there also.

      Fucking females? am I right?

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      • zeropointnow

        You have clearly never worked any job which would require you to clean restrooms on a regular basis.

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        • peaches

          No. Never. Ever. Thank God. Thank my hard ass working balls to the wall immigrant father who bankrolled me through life to become a snowflake too educated to have to clean feces off of walls in his own country.

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        • The Maven

          People like Peaches were never ingrained with a work ethic. Better to let some uneducated volunteer fireman/paramedic-type clean up, this is far beneath Peaches’ entitled sensibilities. That was sarcasm, by the way, in case anyone here is too dumb to get that.

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  13. heckler

    One thing we can all agree on is that Ivanka will make a much better First Lady than Melania. Personally I find Melania’s broken English and easily ogled lesbian nudie pics embarrassing.

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  14. LP

    …with the nuclear material we just sold them

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    • The Maven

      Funny how the leftists never mention Shillary giving a huge chunk of uranium to the evil Putin.

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  15. zeropointnow

    Frog, it seems Lord Kek has blessed you with an extra chromosome.

    I think you are confused as to what teams are on the field and who we have a problem with, even though it’s been explicitly laid out in easy to understand terms – several times. You are like one of the robots on WestWorld – you just don’t see the fucking door. Get out of your loop Clementine.

    If Trump fucks this up we will roast him to high heaven. Reservations have been expressed over various cabinet candidates and picks. We are watching them. But you know what’s *not* useful? Sitting in your ivory tower of intellectualism and pretending like you know what the fuck is about to happen. Let this wave of snarky liberal fear mongering and prognostication wash over you and try to emerge with an open mind. Maybe once you identify the ball you can keep an eye on it with all that amazing brainpower.

    In case you’re one of those amazing autists who need to communicate in pictures, here are a few “white rabbit” pellets mixed with a life saving tip and some misdirection to help lure you out of your pod. http://imgur.com/a/6A0e8

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    • peaches

      “If Trump fucks this up we will roast him to high heaven.”

      You really believe every last Trump voter is as well informed and well spoken as you are?

      The 100 IQ mark is also the designation for conservatives and liberals? Bullshit.

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      • peaches

        Checked out your link. Bush didnt kill any civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan. Republicans have never made deals with Saudis. Ever.

        What a load of biased bullshit.

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        • zeropointnow

          Oh for Christ’s sake. Updated.

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        • frog

          Thanks for the Right Wing fake news version of the news. Always good to know what lies are being told.

          Neither Obama nor Hillary is perfect. But, to look at Right Wing fake news, you would think Trump is the perfect God himself. Iron Chicken here called Trump the Man God here on this very board. And that is how people are treating him. It’s eery.

          Obama is certainly not perfect. The man has his flaws but he is 200X better than Bush was, as a president.

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        • The Maven

          Obama was always Bush Lite. I fail to see a discernible difference, except when it comes to race-baiting.

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    • frog

      “If Trump fucks this up we will roast him to high heaven.”

      That I would like to see. People who believe everything Trump says, even though more than 70% of his statements checked by politifact were lies? Those people are going to take Trump to task, if he effs up? Don’t hold your breath for that to happen.

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    • Dr. Fly

      Lol

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  16. din

    Peaches, you’re deranged.

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  17. stockslueth

    Russia has always seemed like a really sad place.

    The establishment in Washington never seem to miss an opportunity to disappoint and let the rest of America down. But we keep electing them, sigh.

    I read the New York Times article about the hack and the buffoonery around letting the hack to continue for months and months. We just don’t make effort to take cyber security seriously. Do yourself a favor and implement two-factor authentication where you can. It will save you a lot of trouble someday.

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    • frog

      Everyone wants to believe in a God Man magic president. But Congress makes the laws. And it matters a lot who the pres surrounds himself with– which is why Trump’s cabinet is so concerning.

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    • The Maven

      Yesterday’s Headline: Russian Hackers Fail To Penetrate RNC networks.

      What is wrong with Trump’s cabinet picks? I have already seen the memes floating around and they are absurd. What is your take, Froggie? List them one by one so I can eviscerate them with facts.

      I’ll help you start: The CEO of Exxon Mobil believes in man-made climate change. Next?

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  18. din

    Ugly? HAHA.

    Outstanding. Bravo.

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  19. cancel19

    Peaches and Frog may be each other’s alter egos! LMAO

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    • uglyflint

      Frog and peaches will word you to death. My advice is don’t engage. Ban lifted.

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    • peaches

      that is not how alter ego’s work chipmunk

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      • peaches

        is that what you call losing an argument due to your lack of logical reasoning skills? inability to disprove a barage of factual evidence your tiny canned food nourished brain forgot to learn in history class?

        Why did you fail the third grade?

        I was worded to death mom!

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        • frog

          Oh, I see, you realized it. What I had just typed above. That when Uglyflint and Din and people insult you, rather than argue their case, then you have won. They can’t engage with you, or me, because they can’t deal with the truth.

          Yes, Chipmonth, Peaches and I have something in common. We have gone to the trouble to find out the truth. That is a very very hard thing now, in the days of Fake News and Right Wing news. Most people fail to find out the truth.

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        • The Maven

          The irony of denigrating the intelligence of others while misspelling “barrage”.

          peaches December 16, 2016 at 8:13 pm
          is that what you call losing an argument due to your lack of logical reasoning skills? inability to disprove a barage of factual evidence your tiny canned food nourished brain forgot to learn in history class?

          Why did you fail the third grade?

          I was worded to death mom!

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      • cancel19

        Maybe not! But one thing is certain, you both are paid by and suck the same Master!

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  20. joshua

    People still believe Trump is out to drain some sort of swamp and take on the globalists? Either you got some shit to sell, or you’re getting sold some shit.

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  21. it is showtime

    This is like Ghostbusters when the storage containment was switched off

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  22. din

    I repeat: exercise in futility.

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    • frog

      Well, aren’t you just above it all and superior to us all? Where you just insult people and feel powerful by doing so. Do you not care what happens to your country, or whether its citizens can ever cooperate on common goals– or whether we can even discuss what we want from our government peacefully, without insulting one another?

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      • The Maven

        “Without insulting one another”. Two words for you, Snowflake: “White privilege”. The most racist term ever created, after “nigger”.

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  23. moosh

    @frog: those type of holidays sound sad. I say get all of them fuckers to put some elbow grease in and cook dinner together.

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  24. din

    You’re a mess.

    I say that w/ great respect for your intellect and zero respect for your plight.

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  25. joshua

    This presidency is going to do nothing but blow the doors open for a socialist president.

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    • frog

      Let’s hope so. We need a cross between socialism and capitalism, really. Capitalism seems to always in the end lead to oligopoly and crony capitalism and inequality of opportunity– where them that already has, gits. And opportunities become more and more scarce for people not born with silver spoons in their mouths. Denmark and places like that seem to be doing fine with a combination of capitalism and socialism.

      Another thing is people give up on government and then don’t go to the polls and vote. And other people think they don’t need to get together and figure out common goals with other Americans, and then work toward them– they think they just need to elect a Magic President– the Man God.

      Even though Congress makes the laws. Voters are deluded into thinking that the Magic President Man God is totally trustworthy in every way, and will take care of everything. And the voters think they don’t have to worry their (very) tiny heads about it. Just let the perfect Man God take care of everything by himself.

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      • sierra water

        Maybe its just those who support Trump’s view on Russia understand the hypocrisy propagating from the Washington establishment. You fall for it line and sinker.. The democrats are astonished by the fact the Russians were trying to alter the outcome of the election?? How could such a thing be tolerated?.. What did our CIA do in the democratically held Ukraine election? We do it all the time.. The hypocrisy! How could the Russians/Syria be purposefully killing defenseless children.. a total atrocity and heart numbing indeed.. but what about the 100,000 + non combatants killed during the Iraq war on the guise of WMD.. How many children were killed or left without a mother or father? Its the hypocrisy.. Do you get it? Hillary is the epidimy of the Washing establishment and Trump is at least is trying at some level to break it up.
        Sierra Water

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        • frog

          I don’t fall for anything, much less hook, line, and sinker.

          Do you want to put up with Russians treating the U.S. the same way the U.S. has– unfairly– treated 3rd world countries? I don’t.

          “what about the 100,000 + non combatants killed during the Iraq war on the guise of WMD.”

          The Iraq War was a total mistake, as I have often said here. That doesn’t excuse Assad for his own atrocities. And Hillary admits that the Iraq War was a mistake. But she and others in Congress were given false intelligence info and they believed it.

          “Hillary is the epitome of the Washington establishment and Trump is at least is trying at some level to break it up. ”

          Have you looked at Trump’s cabinet. He’s filling the swamp, not draining it.

          Yes, Hillary has experience governing. That’s not a terrible thing. And she modified a number of her positions and came more toward Bernie’s positions, so that her positions were not, at the convention, identical with establishment positions of the past.

          People have been propagandized so effectively to hate and bash government– for decades now– that they think it’s the greatest asset in a candidate for him to be totally ignorant of how government works, and to not to have ever been a part of it. Not so. Ignorance is not a great virtue.

          The political scientist who saw Trump’s rise coming
          Norm Ornstein on why the Republican Party was ripe for a takeover, what the media missed, and whether Trump could win the presidency.

          http://www.vox.com/2016/5/6/11598838/donald-trump-predictions-norm-ornstein

          People think that the Magic President Trump is going to change everything for the better. If his cabinet is any evidence, he’s going to change it for the worse instead.

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        • The Maven

          “Socialist” President. LMAO. Sorry but socialism (communism by any other name) is completely incompatible with the Constitution. I’d wager you fell for the whole “Democratic Socialist” nonsense and voted for the old Brooklyn Commie in the Primaries, or perhaps even the younger Stein version of same.

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    • joshua

      Well if that was directed at me, you’d wager wrong. America is in a period of experimentation. Like a teenage girl, willing to try anything once to find ourselves. Something didn’t work out as well as we thought, so we’ve gone back to an old boyfriend thinking it would be different this time. He told us everything we wanted to hear. At the same time he keeps showing us it was all just a ploy to get us back. He knows we are stupid, and we will fall for anything.

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  26. joshua

    I don’t think socialism is the answer…. the reality is, the world is changing rapidly. Technology is getting to the point where people just aren’t quite as useful. People don’t understand why their jobs are leaving, and they don’t want to face the reality that they will not come home. So there is a comfort with someone like a Donald Trump for those people I’d imagine. He did a better job of not being honest really. Democrats couldn’t even lie well enough to convince people things would be the 1950’s again.

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    • moosh

      Trump is on twtr 24/7 for better, but probably more worse. What makes you think he isn’t able to adapt for the future? He just blew everyone’s mind away doing what he did, every step of the way.

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      • frog

        Yes, he did a great job of getting votes and attracting people to rallies. He’s a great self promoter. But a lot of the job of president has nothing to do with self-promotion. For a lot of it, you are better off with a cool calm rational type like Obama.

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        • moosh

          I thought Obama got elected for change? Maybe cool, calm, and rational, it was not how it ended. Look at all the stuff Trump is getting done (go ahead and bash) before he is even prez. To even run for prez you need to be some sort of self promoter (somewhat insane). This dude did it with bare minimum and beat the establishment for how long has it been?

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        • frog

          Yes, he’s a great self promoter. Whether he can do anything else remains to be seen. Time will tell.

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        • The Maven

          Jefferson was a great self-promoter, as was Madison. Jackson was a brilliant self-promoter, as was Lincoln. Teddy Roosevelt was a master, as was FDR. Kennedy got it, Nixon surely did. Reagan was a master at self-promo, as was Obama.

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  27. riotact

    Fly, did you vote for Trump?

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  28. jonnybegood2

    of course Gnat voted for Trump. The past 8 years years of oppressive Establishment years have been so horrible for him and his. Gnat has been in a 2 year trading rut. Sitting in TLT, gold and cash thinking the Trump victory would crash the market and Gnat would bank coin. Still hoping.

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  29. frog

    A lot of what people think is the fault of the president is really the doing of the Deep State. It is said that the Deep State– the military/industrial/security/financial complex– does not work for the president. The president works for it. Not every president believes that. E. g. there was Kennedy. Look him up on wikipedia if you don’t remember your history about what happened to him. Here is an article and books about the Deep State.

    Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State

    http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/

    The American Deep State: Wall Street, Big Oil, and the Attack on U.S. Democracy (War and Peace Library) by Peter Dale Scott
    https://www.amazon.com/American-Deep-State-Democracy-Library/dp/1442214244/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481944712&sr=1-2&keywords=Deep+State

    The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow Government Paperback – September 13, 2016
    by Mike Lofgren
    https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Constitution-Shadow-Government/dp/0143109936/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481944712&sr=1-1&keywords=Deep+State

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  30. Dr. Fly

    Voted for Trump. Didn’t vote previous election because Romney.

    Voted for Obama before that.

    Don’t worry about my trading. Gnat is doing just fine.

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    • The Maven

      I suppose TLT would have been a lousy trade if done at $132 or so. But $119 plus a year of a .25 monthly divvy? I call that a hedge that is still in the black. Am I missing something here?

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  31. Dr. Fly

    Hey, don’t worry HILLBOTS, the election isn’t over yet.

    http://ibankcoin.com/flyblog/2016/12/16/tucker-carlson-takes-on-celebrity-who-wants-electors-to-vote-against-trump/

    Personally, I’d find great joy over an elector coup, which placed Hillary in power. We’d expedite all of the hatred and get it out of the way in short order.

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  32. bennyhill

    frog needs a blog spot on this site.

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    • frog

      Actually I had one. Maybe I still do. I will have to look. I wiped it clean after the election, because it was about the election. I had figured the election was over and I would give Trump a chance to see what he could do. But I didn’t realize he was going to choose a horrendously Right Wing cabinet of people who care about nothing except the .01%– and who have been screwing over the 99.99% all their lives.

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      • cancel19

        Frog, “you dizzy me now, you dizzy me now”! I have a frog friend named Pepe. Happy Holidays to you and your friend Peaches.

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        • frog

          I have read that Pepe is used by some people as a symbol of racism. So he is a different type of frog than I am.

          Happy Holidays to you too.

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  33. heaterman

    This is hilarious.

    Frog, Peaches… I ask you; Who the hell cares about which entity leaked all the emails?
    How can you fail to see that is not the issue?

    The only issue that matters is the veracity of said leaks. Are they fake news?
    All this horse shit about Russia is just a smoke screen by the Demlibs to cover the facts of the matter.
    The reasoning is so retarded, but it goes like this….
    If we can disparage and slander the messenger sufficiently, people will forget about the corruption exposed by the emails.
    It’s really that simple. You guys over think things, become confused and incapable of rational thought.

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    • frog

      Not so. If Russia leaked the emails because Trump was their puppet candidate, this matters a great deal. It could mean we will all be speaking Russian within the year.

      The leaked emails showed nothing illegal. But the fake news read all sorts of things into them that there was no evidence of e.g. a child trafficking ring, a pay to play arrangement between the Clinton Foundation and the U.S. government etc. Some of the fake news that read these things into the emails might have come from Russia too, although I would imagine the majority of it came from the usual Right Wing fake news sources.

      There is also the issue with hacking and releasing the DNC emails, when the party– Russia says the CIA– may have had RNC emails too but did not release them. If the RNC was squeaky clean, then why not release both groups of emails, so that citizens could compare the two? Were they not released because the RNC emails would have revealed things that were 100X worse than anything in the mostly pretty tame DNC emails? And because showing the corruption at the RNC would have kept the puppet candidate from being elected?

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      • The Maven

        “We will all be speaking Russian within a year”. This from the clownass who says Trump wants to bring us back to the 1950’s. Priceless.

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  34. skulduggery

    Meanwhile, the Misses was explaining to Oprah Winfrey that the Trump Presidency will begin a period of hopelessness. Way to make a graceful exit, First Lady!

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  35. Dr. Fly

    Praise Kek.

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  36. fryguy15

    ‘Merika has been, and will endeavor to be, the world police. It’s been this way for over a century and always for the purpose of perpetuating the establishment. They will not let go that easily. To say that Trump is not establishment is short sighted.

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    • ironbird

      Making a yuge assumption there Fry. The definition of the word is and all. Wait for the deportation orders to hit. The sanctuary cities broken into pieces. The H visas busted. But sure the Trump train is all a con. Just like they have said since day one. And have been 1000% wrong the whole way. Buckle up.

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  37. richy

    Insight into Syria, some on here might not be able to watch, as it goes against what they read or heard from MSM.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uap0GwBYdBA

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  38. richy

    And look as this lying cunt.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dwo0dNauFQ

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  39. juice

    Obama, liar-in-chief, Chief Liar, Puppet Supreme.

    MSM are largely courageless, spineless sham-intellectuals with very few exceptions.

    The Puppet Supreme and his media grease the business of war machine marketed and put forth by the salespeople at the Pentagon and are all rewarded for their complicity. They care not about walking over corpses caused by they actions, words and deeds.

    Entirely shameless, the whole lot of them.

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    • The Maven

      You forgot Race-Baiter-in-Chief.

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      • juice

        that too … I forgot a lot of things … too many to mention

        I think he actually believes the whole deception … completely and totally brainwashed by his masters

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  40. gorby

    What a great thread.Way to go frog.Your taking on the whole site.
    America has been interfering in foreign elections since forever.
    What changed under Bush is we interfered and invaded not
    because America had something to gain but because he had
    personal hatred towards their leader.And that is the straight line to
    where we are today.

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  41. mx2101

    Hi everybody! Gosh, let’s sing a song together!

    🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jRAbOPM7-Q

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  42. ferd

    Terminology like “left”, “right” is confusing to some (e.g., Frog). New illegal wars have occurred under our president from the “left”. I don’t know if he simply didn’t have the juice to oppose the warmongers, or if he is a warmonger himself …but the last eight years of lethal meddling and drone strikes did happen. Just because he supports cuddling the ever-growing victim-of-this-or-that population within this country, shouldn’t be enough to blind well-motivated folks from the full view of his legacy outside the US.

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  43. ferd

    There is a US public figure who appears to be working for Putin – – and it ain’t Trump.

    In the past, the president has derided Russia as merely a “regional power with an economy the size of Italy”. Yesterday he further insulted the hundreds of millions of Russians who “don’t create anything, don’t export anything”, etc.

    How do you thing this plays in Russia? It is a fact that Putin was shown by western polling firms to be very unpopular before we meddled in Ukraine, and was made extremely popular after we fucked with their neighbor.

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  44. active shooter

    Hillary lost because she had no code. She lost because she had no honor. And God was watching……………..

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  45. ferd

    BTW, this whole “Did the Russians hack the Dems?” debate should not be joined by the loyal opposition to the neocon warmongers IMO. The tact taken should be “meh, maybe they hacked the Dem’s stuff …I assume that they are trying to do so ..this is what foreign sovereigns do …I further assume that the Russians, Chinese, and probably a dozen other government read everyfreakin thing on Hillary’s server. This is the way of the world and we do the same shit.”

    The question is: Who leaked this info to the public and for what purpose? Wikileaks, for one, says their source was a disgruntled Bernie supporter. Yes, Wikileaks may be lying. Show me the evidence that disputes their claim?

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  46. traderconfessions

    Fly.. over the last several months you’ve been shaking in your fine leather boots about Russia hurling ICBMs our way in response to the smallest slight by Obama or Clinton. Yet your new clown-president is early morning twittering the US into a confrontation with China even before he takes office. That, to use the Speller-In-Chief’s own words is “unpresidented”.

    Can’t wait for Mexico and China to develop a military alliance. That would be special. Putin is laughing in his caviar. The Oranged one is also pissing off millions of yet-to-be radicalized muslims by promising to move Israel’s capital to Jerusalem. That’s like the NFL moving the Giants moving into the Cowboy’s stadium. Buy hey, I’m sure Ivanka and Jared can smooth things out.

    Hope you listened to Obama’s speech. That’s what a classy and intelligent president sounds like. Let’s compare it to the future incoherent rantings of Trump. Maybe he will get a dictionary by then.

    Bombs Away! Say goodbye Fly.

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    • ferd

      ..and the zealot he’s put forward as our new ambassador to Israel is no help. But our support of everything that Israel does is not new. The plans for our mid-east wars were cooked up in the late 90’s by neocons here and in Israel. Neocon’s have been a disaster for the US, and in the long run, will likely be disastrous for the Israelis as well. A small country, even a very powerful one, simply has to get along with its neighbors.

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    • Dr. Fly

      Mexican-Chinese military alliance?

      You just disqualified yourself from a rational response.

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  47. Dr. Fly

    Russia did nothing wrong. China deserves our ire. They’re the true enemy of humanity, let alone this country.

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  48. traderconfessions

    Nothing wrong? Just shit on our electoral process, the bedrock of democracy. But guess you fans of despot oligarchs don’t mind. Thought you hated oligarchs?

    Nothing wrong? Guess all the people he killed invading Crimea was nothing. The people killed on the jet shot down by Russia was nothing. The political opposition shot dead in the streets is nothing. The support of Assad who has been killing hundreds of thousands of his own people for years. The support of Iran military who has been fuckin with us for decades. Yes, they are a shining light
    of everything you admire.

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