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Munis Endure Worst Rout Since Lehman; Funding For Local Government’s is Soaring

If the muni market is telling us anything, it’s that a great doom is just around the bend. Back in November of 2008, munis dropped by about 7%. Last month, following the rout in bonds, munis dropped by about 7%.
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The dollar value on the sell off equates to about $5b. The pre-funded munis, which are munis paid off with treasuries, are now yielding 1.53% — the highest since Lehman’s collapse.

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I don’t care how awesome Trump is going to be or how great you think the economy is now, the hockey sticking of yields is never a good thing — especially in a government bedridden by $20t in debt.

The last time this happened, markets became disjointed in January of 2009 — paving the way for a record 16% lift in munis, as investors fled stocks in search of safer havens.

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17 comments

  1. it is showtime

    @ 2200 s&p

    Showtime has thousands of dollars in SDS, FAZ, BIS, EPV, DRV, EWV, UVXY, TECS, SDOW

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    • uglyflint

      Trump rally feels like a trap. Concur with your line of reasoning.

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      • ironbird

        The banks will be the tell. Every time they lead the run is done. Has been that way since Mar 09 basically. If they falter we whoosh. Without fail.

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        • cascadia

          Do you see a change in that trend with a new administration?
          Would a change at the fed change your view on that trend?

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  2. Marc David

    If we’re lucky, Barney Frank will make a 2nd appearance and we’ll get to hear him speak for hours questioning various individuals on the 2nd crash. He’s got such a great radio voice wouldn’t you agree?

    A Barney Frank Xmas CD would be a huge hit.

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  3. zeropointnow

    I couldn’t help it and bought a little MAB, VGM, and a sliver of PCK. Also picked up BBN for ye old IRA with it’s Harambe dicked taxable 6.81% yield (currently oversold in Exodus). I’ll probably get all fingers diced off and start typing with my elbows.

    Marc, in addition to an Xmas CD, Barney Frank should narrate books on tape about Lenin.

    “Wennin was a gweat weader. Some peopow say that kiwwing Fow Miwwion men, wiimen, and chiwdren was an evow act, but wike my wadico hewo Bill Ayers says, sometimes you just have to extowminate die hawd capitawists”

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/2455-obamas-friend-ayers-kill-25-million-americans

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  4. superbus1982

    You’re stuck good aren’t you fly? Problem is you don’t understand debt. Governments, municipalities, corporations have sold trillions of 0%+ long term debt, to people like you, among many. They are fully funded for a few years.

    So now if rates explode higher, who loses? You or the governments, municipalities and corporations? Hmm

    If you consider a balance sheet with a ton of 0% long term debt on the liabilities side and some hard assets on the other side. If you take that yield up to 6%. Who wins?

    If governments sell 0% long term paper to retirees. 5 years later, accumulated inflation has been 40% and yields are 6%, incomes are up 40%, tax returns follow. Who wins?

    You got fooled fly. Badly. And you have no excuses having been in the game for so long. You should have known better. Let’s see how long it takes you to admit it.

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  5. soupbone

    Who cares? It’s part of the fix, it has to be broken solidly before it can be restored/rebuilt. Bring it all down. Sooner the better.

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  6. ironbird

    Could this be a sanctuary city thing? The news is all horseshit these days but… Sounds like the Man God can break these motherfuckers if he wants. Just like Silicon Valley with those visas. Good luck Cali without that Federal welfare.

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  7. bushwacker2

    In the next several years most of you will be crushed by the coming deflationary spiral as this debt cycle comes to an end. You’re being played. Interest rates are going back down. Treasuries and IG credit will outperform stocks. The talk about the demise of the bond bull market is a bit premature. The problem is structural and can’t be fixed by monetary policy. Look it up. Debt cycles always end with deflation.

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