Exactly 220 years to the date after the Bill of Rights was ratified, the US Senate today voted 86 to 13 in favor of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, allowing the indefinite detention and torture of Americans.
After a back-and-forth in recent days between both the Senate and House yielded intense criticism from Americans attempting to hold onto their Constitutional rights, NDAA FY2012 is now on its way to the White House, where yesterday the Obama administration revealed that the president would not veto the legislation, cancelling out a warning he offered less than a month earlier.
Obama has finally brought about change to America, but it’s nothing to be hopeful about.
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well fuck. break out the bamboo shoots.
It’s just for al Qaeda types, and Corzine.
Most definitely not for Corzine.
Corzine probably had a hand in drafting this bill.
Just like Hitler and Stalin. You give them an inch……..
^^ Asshat.
Since the definition of a “terrorist” is ambiguous, this law will give central bankers the right to open kill anyone they want, for any reason. I can’t wait to see this be put into action on civilian Americans who challenge the central bankers in thoughts and words.
When Americans vote for CFR member presidential candidates, they get what they deserve. Idiot DNA needs to be removed from the species, IMO. I hope the central bankers can better accommodate this process now.
Who says people don’t understand this shit?
From the legislation –
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
If you are from america and left your ID at home, if they detain you indefinitely, you can’t prove shit, you get no court date, you do not pass go, you do not collect $200.
I’m not a big fan of this either, but that would mean that they could “disappear” you without any recourse.
I know Zero has the press in his pocket, but surely they are not THAT deep in his pocket.
That said, could you imagine BUSH signing this leglislation?
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Prez would need to give a waiver for civilian trial of “suspected terrorists”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/can-the-indefinite-detention-bill-send-americans-to-military-prison-without-trial/
oh,what was that you said. oh,i remember now,…….GOD DAMN AMERICA, yea.thats what they said. good luck folks,now the way “occupy” was done,next poyus will twitter everyone to snitch
sorry, got interupted…….potus will have you snitching on your neighbor in no time
His latest fundraiser — and this is no joke– has him sending out emails to his contributors (and any kids that have given them his email address) and asking them to “donate to the Obama campaign in the name of someone who doesn’t like Obama” — kind of like a cruel joke for Christmas.
Nice, huh? It gets worse… they ask for the e-mail of the anti-Obama person ostensibly so they can send a nasty-gram announcing the donation “in their honor.”
Good thing there’s no other reason the Zeroes would want to be collecting anti-Obama folks’ e-mails….
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thats the way Hitler did it to the Germans , the slow boil…….
europe collapes,everyone here makes a run on their money,chaos ensues,shit gets out of hand,people in this country own guns. where was the nra,or the aclu at the top of their lungs shouting from the mountain side down to us about what this shit is all about…..or did they get their tongues ripped out .
They were sold by the slow boil..oh its just warm water nothing to worry about.
The boiling water method has a name. It’s a Fabian socialist method called the “inevitability of gradualism,” and the turtle is the Fabian socialist symbol.
Wow. 86-13 in favor??? That’s absolutely appalling.
And a testament to how much can be bought using infinite fiat money.
It is unfortunate that no one in America seems to care.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
-Benjamin Franklin (or arguably Richard Jackson, depending on whose account you believe)
Ask the senate to balance a budget, they cannot do it. Take away freedoms, dunk shot.
I know right. The only thing that can get bipartisan support is fucking the American people.
All of these clowns need to be fired. It is disgusting. This type of shit will continue until people have nothing left to lose. Americans are apathetic because, lets face it, most of us have it pretty good.
You can only back a dog into a corner for so long.
Who decides and how is it decided when a given offense rises to the level of invoking this stuff? That part must have looked very safe to them for some reason.
What is the odds that someone other than Ron Paul opposes the measure in the Fox debate?
Why not watch the debate and find out instead of hypothesizing about it?
Because if I had a time machine that allowed me to travel to the future and do that at this moment I would be doing better things than responding ironically to dumb rhetorical questions.
The odds are zero.
You were correct. Not one peep.
Holy crap, this is insane! This bill brings back British colonialist/imperialist rule, only now there are no foreign agents involved, it’s homegrown. This is truly shocking.
Btw, the comparison to british colonialism is apt considering they used to have Administrative Detention laws in their mandates/colonies – you could be held indefinitely without trial and without charge, and without evidence linking to any crime.
In fact, this law is still on the books in Israel since the lazy labor socialist founders made the system there an amalgam of turkish and british law based on the law systems before their arrival. As a hint at what is coming to you in America, the Israeli govt indeed has used this law to hold Arab terror suspects and people believed to be involved in ongoing terror plots for urgent situations when other legal options were not available to the authorities. However, in recent years especially, it has been used to basically kidnap rightwing settler Jews for no other reason than the govt despises their political views and tries to get false confessions out of them or at least hold them for a short time with some mild torture thrown in, to intimidate them and their communities and families. A lot of times it is even teenage kids from these settlements. The Israeli govt also use the Shabak to try to entrap such people. There are many examples, but one recent example is Chaim Pearlman if you want to look up that case. So, in summation, get ready for it.
how is this a surprise? fucktards getting in a room to sanitize everything that can possibly hurt anyone anywhere always ends up this way.
Time to rent “The Lives of Others” for tips and tricks.
all the “greater good” asshats should stop complaining. the sword cuts both ways. what could go wrong? something has to be done about everything. good intentions.
Ron Paul for President? Geez I guess so. Fascists!
He’s just 1 point behind Newt in Iowa and the only GOP candidate that has seen his popularity consistently increase. It could happen.
He may actually win the nomination and the election. However, I doubt this information would be revealed, as this would deny central bankers the full control they require. They are crybabies about that, you know.
never gonna happen. ron paul is insane. america is a war machine with a gov job kicker. how the fuck can you win the presidency when you want to fire half the people with a job?
Ron Paul thinks the US is responsible for 9/11.
he’d cuddle terrorists and give them the right of a US citizen while demonizing the victims of attacks as the ones responsible.
he’d be against detaining anyone with the effect that the whole country is detained and unable to defend itself.
people would live in fear, just like they do in Europe, knowing that the police would rather go after citizens than terrorists, because citizens have virtual rights, but terrorists have real protection and everything surrounding their treatment is tightly controlled.
You’re a dumbass… Actions have consequences, our (the west’s) actions from 1946 onward have had disastrous consequences, one of them being the jihad on the west. Don’t just read salon.com’s crib sheet on Ron Paul, actually listen to what is saying and open your mind
MCPJ: how do you explain Jihad before 1946 then?
how do you explain Hitler giving a SS division to the Mufti of Jerusalem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini so he could kill Jews outside of German influence?
was that Jihad against the Jews also America’s fault?
or 1400 years earlier? was Jihad against Christians, or later Hindus or later Europe also the fault of America?
actions have consequences. the question is, who acted first.
but since they do not teach history in US schools any more, only liberal guilt, I forgive you for not knowing shit about anything related to world history
Lets look at the history of US involvement in the middle east since WWII, which I am specifically referring. One could make the case the real problems started with the British in their carving of state boundries:
US love of Saudi oil cemented by FDR.
US overthrows democratically elected Iranian government.
Nixon/Kissinger attempt to isolate Arab middle east.
US funds OBL to fight the soviets, subsequently leaves them out to dry.
US funds Saddam to fight Iran, F-15s v. F-14s.
Iraq invades Kuwait, US rebuffs.
Overwhelming unwanted soft-diplomacy pushes from the progressive left, to include promoting secular governments that are unwanted.
Our unwanted responses to regional conflicts that should pose no national security risk resulted in the blowback on 9.11.
National Defense does not mean injecting US diplomats and Soldiers into hostile environments to satiate our fear-mongering congress.
The policy of the United States led by the crypto-Israeli leaders in Washington since WWII have done nothing but continue the tradition of waging war against Islam in order to create a safe environment for Israel’s expansion and occupation.
This is bin Laden’s letter to America, stating the reasons why he attacked America. Do you need other evidence?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2455845.stm
146 million people in poverty,or pretty damn close.so,the only people employed are ????? lets see you stop half the nation, IF,it decides to come after a lot of skulls……ha ha ha,. fucking, good fuckin luck with that… shit, i know i cant wait for the SHTF. john mccain.who’d a thunk,is a FUCKING POS
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — ***That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.***”
Shall we hold a vote whether the government has become destructive to these means or not?
Forget mailing congressmen bags of tea, lets mail them fake fingers and toes with a message “punishment for treason against humanity, see section 1032 of the National Defense Authorization Act”
Article I Section 9 Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
WTF was the act of rebellion, “occupy wallstreet”?
AND OBAMA FUCKIN OWNS OWS, WTF. fucking racist marxist fucking pig
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me
— and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was an ardent nationalist and prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last 7 years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.
Here are the senators who voted to allow indefinite detention.
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lee (R-UT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Moran (R-KS)
Nelson (D-NE)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
I thought it was 86 to 13 vote? There’s only 60 names above.
“Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion.” Is that not what the senators and congressmen just voted to do? Invoke fear on our liberties while declaring forceful indefinite detention to those that don’t agree with their policies?
Anyone got a catapult to launch a few senators over the state penn?
If you want a mind warp, consider the time proximity in which the 16th & 17th Amendments were passed, then the commencement of WWI. Great Depression. WWII. Implementation of “Das Kapital” in America.
I’m convinced the Senate is has been “improperly” elected for nearly half of the country’s history.
Guess where their loyalties lie?
Recall, the “tea” movement was all about being “taxed” without representation (back to lemon tea).
This type of shit has been going on for too long now… The FBI, through shady entrapment and bullshit informants and the power of the USA Patriot Act (which Obama reauthorized without any debate) have been inflating the number of “terrorists” captured in the US. It is such a fucking disgrace to watch this shit happen. Do you know how the Patriot Act is interpreted by the executive branch?? Their interpretation is a “state secret” and cannot be revealed. A citizen today, even before this new NDAA, could still be detained for a very long time without access to a judge, lawyer, etc, simply because he was accused of associating with terrorists. This new bill just allows our military to detain a citizen. The war for your mind began when you entered public school, the war for your wallet began in 1913, and the war for your body began in 2001.