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A Different Take On Walmart

Okay, I’m not here to be Mr. Sunshine on the economy, because we’re up big on the year, Chinese stocks are rallying, and I personally hate many of you on a very intimate level for your cheerful attitude and can-do outlook on life. But, maybe it’s possible the Walmart buzz is overdoing it a little bit.

I’d like to see the earnings of higher end retail alongside WMT before I panic too much. Yes the Philly number was awful, yes people have swept a lot of problems under a rug, no question that I was expecting a slowdown all summer that may finally be coming front and center, certainly the financial savings and debt loads of US citizens looks horrible, and sure, I suppose, this could be the first indication we’ve had that everything is about to slow down.

But I would implore you to consider, on face value, that Walmart, Target and Macy’s are where people go to shop when they can’t afford to go anywhere else. Walmart ramped into the recession because their sales expanded. You have to suppose that the opposite effect is to be expected – playing in reverse – when the economic conditions switch up. There isn’t much straightforward about a vibrant economy. But the purchase habits of people as they come into more money may be one such thing.

I don’t know the answer. There’s more to consider here than just the straightforward answer that WMT is the single greatest thermometer our economy has.

Take treasuries: yields are expanding a great deal. However, in absolute terms our debt is still yielding payments that are almost not worth pursuing and, relative to the rest of the world, is almost undeservingly expensive. It was always going to selloff; it almost had to.

The operating results of low level retail and US treasuries could just as easily be a signal that we’re finally switching gear out of this quagmire we found ourselves holed up in. Taken on their own, they can be misleading. We need to put these datum against a more complete backdrop to figure out where everything fits in.

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10 comments

  1. AKwitdemBeamz

    You’re correct – you cannot take the WMT data in a vacuum. I want to see it paired with HD data, and contrasted with the higher end retail data from say, SAKS and WSM in a few weeks. That will either show us that the consumer is crunched or we have fully embraced caste divergence.

    Everyone is very focused on the monthly return figures from HD in their upcoming quarterly.

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  2. ottnott

    “I would implore you to consider, on face value, that Walmart, Target and Macy’s are where people go to shop when they can’t afford to go anywhere else.”

    Interesting idea, but doesn’t look like a good match with the data. The bottom rung of retail is below WMT and TGT and well below M. Also, the 5-year charts don’t support your idea that WMT is just slowing down from a recession-induced boost.

    WMT and TGT both have almost exactly matched the S&P 500 over the past 5 years.

    In contrast, DLTR, FDO, and DG have done 3-5X better over the past 5 years.

    A few tickers aren’t conclusive one way or the other, so your idea that WMT is losing revenue to higher-end stores could be true in spite of the stock charts.

    However, you are starting with the wrong idea if you believe that WMT, TGT, and M rest on the bottom of the retail hierarchy. Our country has a huge number of working people with miserably low incomes.

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      I’m not completely sure – you’re definitely right that the “dollar” store lines are cheaper quality, but beyond 5 years, through the recession, WMT behaved the same way as DLTR. The “dollars” were leveraged to the move but they all had the same sort of parabolic ascent from 2008-09.

      I guess we might be able to judge by looking at what happens to the “dollars” from here – if they start picking up revenue, that might be the answer.

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  3. Vegastrader

    Amazon is taking market share left and right from other retailers. Walmart is getting hurt like everyone else.

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      That’s an idea – just thinking how you could test it, but if you had a grocery/produce purity corporation of about the same quality that Walmart offers (VG’s, maybe, for example in MI), then you could compare their revenues to WMT to see if Walmart level shoppers are only vacating WMT because of non-produce lines of business (apparel, electronics, entertainment, etc).

      If Ottnott is right and they’re pushing to the “dollars”, then I would expect the grocery equivalent to suffer at about the same amount as WMT.

      Just a thought.

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  4. Jworthy

    Interesting idea. And you generated amazingly constructive comments from everyone else. Great discussion.

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  5. From Gorby

    Stockpicking is art and science.Sentiment
    is all art. Hang around art galleries
    and see how their doing. I’m thinking
    it’s all good.
    Let it wash out and back up the truck.
    Sorry Cain but

    Cheers

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  6. Matanzas

    “Wal-Mart’s most faithful shoppers are found among those with annual incomes below $30,000, more than half of whom (53%) say they shop there regularly. But about a third (33%) of those with incomes above $50,000 are also frequent buyers at the stores” – The Pew Research Center, Wal-Mart – A Good Place to Shop but Some Critics Too

    A dated survey (12/12/2005) though.

    http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/265.pdf

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  7. fake amish

    WalMart is America.

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