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Goldman: The Yellen Fed Will Offset Trump’s Fiscal Stimulus, Threatening Stock Market Rally

Because the Fed believes we’re at or near full employment, any potential fiscal stimulus will serve to boost inflation more than growth, according to Goldman. As such, they believe both credit and FX markets have read this correctly, but stock investors, the village idiots, haven’t quite grasped what this could entail.

Goldman believes the Yellen Fed will explicitly work against Trump’s fiscal stimulus in order to keep the inflation boogeyman in check. This means Yellen might raise rates more than expected, switching from the Fed put to the Yellen call, limiting the upside of the stock market — which is inherently an easing factor in monetary policy.

Source: Bloomberg

The stunning run in equities “post-Trump appears to have looked past the fact that the economy is already running close to full employment,” write analysts Charles Himmelberg and James Weldon.

This implies that any new tailwind for U.S. activity — say, from a massive fiscal stimulus — would end up boosting inflation more than growth as it would force the economy to rub up against its supply-side constraints. Economic output can only grow as much as the labor and capital available to produce it — and an aging U.S. population places a demographic damper on available man-hours of work.

“So far, the [currency] and bond markets appear to have the firmer grip on this reality,” write the Goldman pair.

The main market impacts of fiscal stimulus will be higher inflation and real interest rates, which are positive for the U.S. dollar but not necessarily so for risk assets, they argue.

This argument is further reinforced by Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen’s apparent hawkish lurch in her press conference last week, in which she said the labor market was “in the vicinity of full employment” and threw cold water on the idea that she wants to see the economy run hot.

For the supply side, Trump’s policies are a mixed bag, per Goldman: capping immigration reduces potential growth, while deregulation and tax reform that helps spur investment could increase the U.S. economy’s top speed. The Fed, in other words, might be ready to tighten policy to serve as a monetary offset to any fiscal expansion.

For equity markets, the potential for a swifter pace of rate hikes from the central bank in the face of meaningful fiscal expansion constitutes a “contingent knock-in” trigger for the “Yellen call,” or Goldman’s theory that rallies in stock prices would elicit more tightening from the Fed Chair that would limit further upside.

“Contingent on fiscal stimulus, the FOMC will now need to respond even more aggressively to any easing of financial conditions,” conclude Himmelberg and Weldon. “The available evidence suggests to us that the long-run potential growth rates of the U.S. and global economies are still in a ‘low growth’ regime, suggesting that the equity market party will be at risk when the punchbowl goes out.”

Bear in mind, the clowns at Goldman are experts at misdirection. Nonetheless, the narrative is a logical one. Should the Fed become aggressive with rate hikes to fend off Trumpenomics, stocks will come under pressure. My sole issue with this thesis is the fact that inflation, hitherto, has been nothing less than a bedtime fairytale — something only seen in books and not so much in real life — due to the enormous debt burden placed on western economies.

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36 comments

  1. Dr. Fly

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    • probucks

      xmas special?

      I’ve been waiting 11 month for the Jesus Day Special b/c im a worthy Christian.

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  2. juice

    unrelated but file this as you may –

    word is from a source that shall remain nameless, that these that these attacks in Zürich, Berlin and Ankara were only the beginning of a bloody Christmas time. And this all is because of the USA attacking all other countries and destroying them and Merkel’s invitation for so-called ‹refugees›.

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    • wolfdaddy

      Good. The nazis are starting to understand the stupidity of their actions. A few more attacks and merkel will be out. We need more pissed of people. There will be hell to pay when trump takes office. At this point it’s a casualty of war

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    • formergeek

      Sounds like the title of another Hollywood blockbuster – “Bloody Christmas”

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  3. probucks

    goldman gets inflation (dollar/dxy/uup) & gold wrong 10x out of 10.

    This is bearish news for USD.

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    • frog

      No, they had a correct call on gold a year or 2 ago. Every once in a while they make a correct call, just to confuse you.

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      • scottbot

        Yep, that’s the thing, even if you bet contrarian against GS, you’re still defined by them. I only follow the advice of people who are so smart they never speak and theoretically don’t exist.

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  4. gorby

    Full employment……Maybe on the coast but flyover country-
    I don’t think so.

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    • stockslueth

      You could be right. Do you think the Fed discounts the data since flyover country has so little impact on the overall economy? San Francisco is running around 3% unemployment. I think anyone who wants a job could get one.

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  5. it is showtime

    Gee I’m sure smart money is buying

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  6. heaterman

    Full employment is a myth. Fake news in other words. There are hordes of people around here working 20-30 hours per week but would like to work 40+.
    Obamacare has basically made it impossible for a small business to hire anyone on the premise of full time employment. It is less expensive for businesses to have 2 people working 20 hours per week than one working 40 due to the burdens placed on employers at that level.
    That will never change unless the onerous burdens heaped upon the job creation machine (small business) are relieved.

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    • it is showtime

      Birth-death figure (a nice es-tim-ate for the overall monthly) is a curious work

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  7. soupbone

    Much better management is always surprising; what can be done with a crap facility, like yourselves possibly, is often underestimated. So disregard Goldman and wait. Yellen is soon a face from the past.

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  8. LP

    It’s in their best interest to hike when they can to build their ammo stores so I fully expect that.

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  9. tradercaddy

    Assuming Yellen is still the Fed Head.

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  10. tradercaddy

    Nice move Fly.
    The thumbs up and down are back circa 2008.
    But, What are the scales of justice for?

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    • Dr. Fly

      put cursor over it for explanation. It’s too flag FAKE NEWS.

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      • stockslueth

        Fake LOL.

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        • fallguystreet

          LOL everything on the internet is real. This is an open and connected world now where privacy is not cool unless you own facebook. Generate more ads for the russians to steal off of please.

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        • frog

          If real vs. fake were a matter of majority rule, then we would all have to be Christian, since it is the most believed religion in the world. And then in a few years we would all have to turn Muslim, because that religion is growing very fast and may overtake Christianity soon.

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        • bob smith

          Wrong frog. The biggest religion in the world is fake Christianity which was predicted by God in the Bible long ago.

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  11. heaterman

    A: Has Giuliani gone off the deep end?
    B: Has he received death threats or something?
    C: Is this fake news?
    or
    D: All this is true!

    http://archive.is/IDBh5

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    • it is showtime

      I read this as invented, impersonated. The cgi stuff doesn’t quite fit. As if added for believable embellishment. Obviously twitter acct most likely isn’t his

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    • Dr. Fly

      Rudy has no Twitter acct. FAKE NEWS.

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  12. fallguystreet

    Of course she will. She is just as inept as Ben, Alan, Fannie, Freddie and the rating agencies. The bankers are smart as hell maximizing returns while accountable for nothing (the big banks. The others were just pawns in the game to try to be competitive but we know the end result. Consolidation and no competition. The same product from every single bank.). Why do we even have multiple banks they all over the same exact thing? Go to any one of them and they are going to give you the same rate, the same products. Everything the same. Not to mention she is a democrat, would love to see this country go down in smoke just for her own personal feminist / minorities are better values. If this is not a conspiracy against the majority of this country who creates and protects versus those who babble and parasitically leach of the rest of it I don’t know what is Outfucking rageous.

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