Friday, March 19th, 2010

Proposed ETF Portfolio for Rotational System

Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 1:19 am

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I have to say that I’m very thankful that I asked for the collective wisdom of the blogosphere. The comments were very helpful and have absolutely solidified my thinking in how to approach this next ETF rotational system.

Okay, so the final step before we jump into this system is to decide the portfolio of ETFs on which to test.

My thoughts about this portfolio are simple. The ETFs should be liquid, cover the S&P500 sectors, contain some country specific ETFs, some commodities, and some inverse ETFs. I do not want leveraged ETFs and ideally we are looking for more than 5 years of trading.

I believe the list meets my goals, except the inverse ETFs are not quite as liquid as I hoped for and some of the ETFs have only been trading for a few years.

If there are any ETFs that you believe should be added or subtracted, please let me know in the comments section.

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23 Responses to “Proposed ETF Portfolio for Rotational System”
  1. Steve Place says:

    Some of the commodity related etfs are going to have inefficiencies due to the contract rolls in the futures market. I assume previous price takes that into account, but you may want to look at different etfs (UCO vs USO).

  2. Caffeinated says:

    Good timing & synergies with this system & PPT avg hybrid score, and the new Fidelity commissions model that takes effect today. 25 iShares ETFs have unlimited free trades, with many you’ve already proposed.

  3. daveinphilly says:

    Coal and Steel? KOL and SLX. When they’re hot, they’re HOT!
    How about shippers? SEA. Same thing, hot is HOT!

    • Woodshedder says:

      Dave, agreud, but I’m worried about liquidity with these. Maybe I’ll add them but then put in place a liquidity filter. That way if they continue to see increased volume, perhaps they pass the filter.

      • daveinphilly says:

        Then you would want to remove PSQ, because that’s thinly traded too and net assets are quite small. MOO isn’t that great either. not much better than KOL in terms of trading volume.

      • MikeyTrades says:

        Wood,

        I have found in my ETF system testing that having a liquidity filter of share volume of greater than 400,000 helps eliminate the less liquid ETFs and can even improve the system stats at times since the low liquidity ETFs can do some funky things.

  4. Kill the Banks says:

    Wood,

    In addition to the contract rolls that Steve noted, USO and UNG are limited partnerships. While trading gains/losses in these ETFs would still fall under capital gains tax rules (just like other stocks and ETFs), there are other tax issues related to trust income that might make these unattractive. If I remember correctly, if you hold these for even a short time, you get a Schedule K-1 and have taxable trust income due to your share in the LP.

    KTB

    • Woodshedder says:

      Thanks KTB. You know, I have never like USO or UNG. I may just exclude them.

      • Kill the Banks says:

        One other consideration - two of your selected ETFs are HOLDRs. If you keep these in the list, you will need to account for the fact that they can only be purchased in round-lot increments. HOLDRs might also confound your backtest results, as they occasionally do “funky” things - for example, if you have one in your portfolio and a member company has a stock-affecting event (merger, acquisition, spin-off, etc) one might wind up with shares of a single company’s stock in addition to the original lot of HOLDRs. This would become a source of gain/loss that you’d have a difficult time backtesting for (don’t know if it would be significant).

  5. t. says:

    Wood,

    I’d create two lists, one with short ETFs and one without for testing purposes. The last decade will dramatically skew results in favor of shorting, I suspect, whereas if you were able to create a similar strategy for previous decades, the results would look vastly different.

    Love reading your blog, thank you!

  6. JohnnyB says:

    ETf’s for consideration:

    TAN, XLY, IYT, SMH

    • Woodshedder says:

      Johnny,
      TAN=too thin
      XLY= definitely, don’t know how I missed it, thanks
      IYT= pretty thin, but might be a valuable addition
      SMH= definitely, don’t know how I missed it.
      Thanks!

  7. Dave Robinson says:

    The FX ETFs don’t quite match your criteria for length of trading history, but they might be worth evaluating. The few that come to mind are FXA, FXC, FXE, and FXY.

    These might also fall short from a volume perspective.

    Just a thought.

    Dave

    • Woodshedder says:

      Dave, thanks. With the exception of FXE, they are pretty thin. Good suggestion though. I may add FXE in case the volume picks up. Until then, it can get filtered out.

  8. t. says:

    Wood,

    The latest from CXO is worth reading re momentum based sectors strategy.

    http://www.cxoadvisory.com/blog/internal/blog2-03-10/

  9. Plasmahidef says:

    Wood,

    Did not see MDY - for Midcap.

    I would also echo KTB’s comment about round lot trading for holders. Tough to trade OIH (unless your portfolio size is large enough) in multiples of 100 shares. A ETF with almost 1.0 co-relation to OIH is XES, but does not have as long a trading history.

    Regards

  10. Woodshedder says:

    Here is the portfolio. I did make some changes. I’m still open to more ideas.
    DBA
    DBC
    DIA
    DOG
    EEM
    EFA
    EWC
    EWH
    EWJ
    EWT
    EWY
    EWZ
    FXI
    GDX
    GLD
    IBB
    ILF
    IWM
    IYR
    MOO
    OIH
    PPH
    PSQ
    QQQQ
    RWM
    SH
    SLV
    SPY
    TLT
    UNG
    USO
    VNQ
    VTI
    XLB
    XLE
    XLF
    XLI
    XLK
    XLP
    XLU
    XLV
    SMH
    XLY

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