I am completely floored by this woman. Talk amongst yourselves. I am taking the night off to process this new development.
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Great speech.
Nonetheless, she is a dog sledder.
I’d rather have a U.S. General as VP.
But that’s just me.
I’ve been hoping for months that McCain would pick Palin, but never believed he would do it.
To say I was thrilled about her nomination would be an understatement.
She rocked tonight and, win or lose in November, I am convinced we heard the first national speech by the first female president of the United States.
Palin 2012.
impressive, inspiring. pontential of a thatcher and meir.
Jake, would really like to hear your thoughts in a pg post.
Obama chose his path, she was chosen.
I’m waiting for her at some point to rip her glasses off her face and shake her hair loose like countless librarians and teachers did in all those steamy 1980s music videos.
Obama chose his path, she was chosen.
Most VPs are.
You guys just like her because she is your dream girl.
Need I remind you we are at war?
Hmmm?
This is a mistake.
She is gorgeous. I’m still floored at how inspiring that speech was.
Fly, she is the only thing that is going to keep Obama from moving into the White House. Hypotheticals don’t matter any more. If you don’t want Obama, then you must support Palin.
I am indifferent.
I am not inspired by neither.
What’s with all this McCain fervor? The man is horrific on immigration, taxes etc.
I rather pencil in an Eskimo.
Who said anything about McFervor? He is better than Obama, and that is all that matters. Its not like we get a do-over and can move Guilliani or someone else in, now.
Who is the fReAk standing behind Greta!!!
You can see him when they do a close up on Greta (which is scary enough)
I think you will all be voting on computers, and can’t pencil in anyone.
Do you at least get a choice “none of the candidates”?
Ahh.
The lesser of two evils. How quick we placate ourselves with giant hero sandwiches and start rooting for the old party again.
It’s all bs. The whole thing is a show.
Turn on the cartoon network for some genuine entertainment. Politics today is like a caricature of real life.
I can’t wait for the plugs vs. vpilf debates. toe the party line indeed.
Fly, its the best system in the world, but it ain’t perfect.
giant hero sandwiches
Wood:
Says who?
Have you researched every system in the world, including Niue?
We have a horrid system with shady characters posing as “regular Joe’s.”
Now you know why I don’t talk politics.
If you want to talk money, come to my blog.
It was a great speech.
Mocking community organizing? Really? That’s what the OP is about now?
Although it is hilarious that you guys have found feminism all of a sudden. The fake outrage is quite entertaining.
It was a speech written by Bush’s speech writers. Of course you like it.
Inspiring? Inspiring??? Inspiring???
Geez…. Are you guys in the bin???? On like, life support??
I can’t wait to see how this bimbo does in a real live press conference … assuming her handlers ever let her out…
Is recusancy Juice?
No OJ here.
Not to get into partisan bickering, (in fact, I’m an independent), but I thought the speach was very light in substance and filled with cheap rhetoric. Not my idea of a homerun speach, as most in the media have labeled it –just a standard politician’s call to arms. Judging by the near-unanimous nod Palin received from the punditry tonight on the networks, I seem to be alone in my view. I got the impression that the media felt almost guilty for having panned Palin so much in recent days about the teenage pregnancy and the thin resume. So, as a way of reconciling, they decided to commend her for a job well done, regardless of what was actually said.
Rather than to offer political cheap shots, I think she should’ve put more emphasis on the issues McCain stands for in contrast to the Obama-Biden ticket. This wouldve been the best means by which to assert her strength in light of all the lingering suspicions that shes too much of a lightweight. Last week, Biden sought to discredit McCain’s judgement by offering specific examples in which McCain made bad calls and Obama happened to be right (though, admittedly, Biden did leave out mention of the surge, which Obama was wrong on). In his speech, Biden touched on his personal bio (which Palin did deliver on well tonight), but also went on to specifically touch on the issues.
Unlike Geraldine Ferraro, Palin looks comfortable in the public eye. That’s a plus, but she remains untested on her ability to demonstrate control and mastery of the dozens of national issues she will be quizzed on come October 2nd.
There has been, inevitably, a parallel drawn in the press betwen Obama and Palin, in that they each represent a sparkle of excitement on their respective tickets. Agreed. However, Obama has layed out his plan, regardless of what one may think of it, on the national stage time and time again. Let’s be honest, Obama is no accomplished candidate (no executive experience, short stint in the US Senate and state senate time in Illinois), but he’s been on the presidential campaign trail for 18 months now, debating issues, beating down a relentless Clintonian political machine, and bouncing back from near-death political suprises (ie. Reverend Wright). The guy’s grown a second layer of skin on the national stage. Palin’s perceived provincial (ie. Alaska-centric) view of the world worries people in the GOP.
Today’s speach shouldve been taken as an opportunity to allay those fears with a demonstrable command of at least some of the positions Campaign McCain will be selling to voters. She let the opportunity slip her by. Again, this is not about who’s the better agent of change, but simply, who will have a better time survining or even excelling (in the eyes of voters) when the debate begins to zero in on historical references, economic stats, and specific policy proposals.
Palin did none of that tonight and, for that, I believe conservatives will continue to sweat and twiddle their thumbs leading up to the VP debate in October. In sum, exciting candidate, but very flimsy speech.
All the candidates have speech writers. Period. “You like Obama’s speeches because they are written by his writer.” See how moronic that comment really is? Serves no purpose, and does not further your argument, unless you are giving yourself sour grapes.
So tell us about Obama’s community organizing. I’ll wait while you google it.
Who said anything about feminism? Why is it suddenly about feminism, but it wasn’t with Hillary? Jeez…arguments are especially weak and easy to destroy tonight.
And now she’s a “bimbo.” Way to go. Bravo. What slur can you come up with for Obama?
I didn’t think so.
Phil, you are putting the cart in front of the horse.
There will be time for all that.
I am one hundred percent certain she will destroy Obama and Biden, in any debate, and on the national stage. I guarantee you the dem. party analysts will not be sleeping for some time.
Tonight was the night where she had to show that she was competent, period. And of course she did much more than that.
Phil. Well said.
For the OPer’s (Old Party) on this site (which seems to be most of you) who are in love with Palin, you’ll be pissed as hell at McCain when this is all said and done. She’s very capable but completely unprepared. This is going to kill her career in the future. She’s going to have some serious repairing to do.
When people ask about her foreign policy chops and they reply with the fact the Alaska is close to Russia, that’s not a good thing.
That trailer park neo-con wants creationism taught in schools! Sorry, but that’s unforgivable. Enthusiasm for either of the two parties makes me wish for an idealogical “cleansing”.
Obama writes his own speeches. Yes he has a writer to help but he basically writes them himself. So it’s not all the same.
What do you want to know about Obama’s community organizing. They were disparaging ALL community organizers. Those are people that work for little or nothing to help people in need. Real nice. Not gonna go over well.
It’s about feminism because anytime anybody asks about her resume or credentials they come back with “would you ask that to a man?”. And the answer to that is, she would not be on the ticket if she were a man.
Bud. The Dems had an ideological cleansing. You won’t see it to fruition until they actually have a chance to govern.
She also tried to ban books in their local library because they had bad words in them.
I agree with Woodshedder 110%. Ok, not really. More like 100%.
Recusancy, you are big on opinions, but light on facts. Boy, that sounds familiar.
I asked you specifically about his CO experience. You bring back….NOTHING.
So…where are your facts about Obama’s speech writing? You have none. You know not whether he writes 10 or 90 percent of his own speech.
I have no clue where this stuff about feminism is coming from.
Lets put it this way though.
Would Obama be on the ticket if he weren’t half African-American? Oh, shocking, you are going to fein offense to that.
See, Obama is now stymied. His best arguments against McCain are moot, and if he attacks Palin, he attacks the very same qualities in his own person.
Again, I have to agree with Wood. He is right. Listen to him.
Wood,
I love you, man. Really do. And I appreciate your opinion that Palin is more appealing than Obama. But I’d like to know how you “know” that Palin will “destroy” Biden in a debate. If Biden starts the debate by asking her to name the capital of Georgia, it’ll probably be game over right there.
The fact that Palin will spend the next month insulated from the national press while trying to memorize international events and issues which Biden might touch on is not my idea of a killer debater.
You loved her tonight, but dont forget, the environment was 100% controlled: the speach was prepared by strategists, she spent the last 24 hours rehearsing the speech in a room at the convention and a teleprompter flashed the lines. Not that there’s anything wrong with any of that. The McCain campaign is crafting a political message right now. That’s fine. Your excited and galvinized as a supporter. Fine as well. But to extrapolate with certainty that Palin will school Biden in the October debate because she proficiently read 40 minutes worth of lines in an inspirational way is wishful thinking. I love your daily market analyses, but I think you’re way off on a limb here on Palin.
-Phil
Need I remind you we are at war?
Nope. Need I remind you that Obama wanted to surrender and just walk away from the fight?
Need I remind you that Palin has a son going off to war so she has a personalinterest in making sure we do things right?
They were disparaging ALL community organizers.
Man up. Obama dissed every mayor in every small city in America last week, roughly 200,000. I know what a mayor does, what does a community organizer do other than give away other people’s money?
Besides, you only find community organizers in large cities and they already vote Democrat, so antagonizing that group isn’t a big deal.
But, diss small towns and cities, then you diss the people who live there, and they far outnumber the relatively few marxist-oriented community organizers in Chicago and New York.
Face it, The Fly is right. Both candidates suck … watch it for the entertainment, tune in a cartoon or eat a sandwich.
Enjoy:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ebf425277b
That trailer park neo-con wants creationism taught in schools!
No she doesn’t. She said if the issue comes up during class discussion, then it should be discussed rather than avoided, but it need not be part of the regular curriculum.
Phil, I appreciate your thoughts. I am excited by Palin. I was not excited by McCain, or Obama. I was never a big McCain fan, or a devoted repub. I have voted both ways, and I just have to call it like I see it.
As for Palin destroying Biden in a debate, you’re right, its just a feeling I have.
What the hell do you want to know about his CO experience? He graduated Columbia in NY and a guy asked him to come to Chicago to help out for a while. He went and worked with churches to help Chicago southsiders to get back on their feet after steel plants closed. He helped people in the projects get the landlord and the city to fix the asbestos in their apartments. He gave them a voice.
How he writes his own speeches.
Salah Parin is won hot hockey momma. She shoot, she scoah!
We Chinee rike ebryting abow huh. Woot!
She wiew destloy stupid aahshot Biden in debate, too.
Dogwood…
McCain, Palin, AND Biden have a son in Iraq. So they all have skin in it.
Meanwhile…while recusancy googles away…
Recu, really on my blog, what matters more is how well you can present your own argument. We debate to exercise our skills in logic, and if we refrain from ad hominems, we might learn something from each other.
Obama gonna tax da rich so’s I can get me mo’ money from the gummit. Den, I can go buy me a new gold plated crack pipe. Yeah, dats my nigga.
If Biden starts the debate by asking her to name the capital of Georgia, it’ll probably be game over right there.
And then she can turn the tables and ask him to name the capital of Kyrgyzstan.
Seriously, pop quizzes on geography are a stupid way to judge a person’s suitability for office and I doubt Palin will let Biden get away with anything. But, you can expect the media to try such stunts in an attempt to embarrass Palin.
Just the facts, ma’am.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_polishes_his_resume.html
You said you wanted facts. There it is in print. What ad hominem did I use?
McCain, Palin, AND Biden have a son in Iraq. So they all have skin in it.
Yep, but Biden’s solution was to split Iraq into three separate pieces, none of which would have had enough population and resources to become viable, stable and secure states.
Meanwhile, McCain pushed for a counterinsurgency strategy that has worked beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.
Skin in the game plus combat experience equals a winning strategy.
Not sure what your getting at with that link there Wood.
Palin is a fargin dog sledder, okay?
Obama is a master orator. He might have slid in there, regardless of his color.
McCain is an admirable person, with poor GOP qualities.
Biden is in the mafia.
I’d rather have Sticky Fingaz/Clint Eastwood ticket.
Boy is Jake missing out tonight.
Well, do you want to know the facts about Obama’s work history? I could post, but didn’t, how Obama’s community organizing led him to deal with Rezko (spelling?) who was in essence a slum lord, who let neighborhoods perish, while Obama was supposedly “organizing” them. Pretty neat arrangement.
No ad homs from you. I just like to make sure we all play by the rules.
Fly, I knew it was killing you. I could feel your IP address, just hanging out here, on my blog.
Is this the best we can do for our country,while she is a good speaker,she’s missing the point,If she’s an outsider she sure knows how to use a lobbiest to get pork to the tune of $26 million for her town of 9000 ( the most per capita of any town that size.) when she was the mayor.Also when will the republicans get the guts to bring up Obama’s connection to the terroists from the weather underground who helped him to get to the state house in Ill.I cannot vote for either party this time.Obama changes his mind on issues (depending on who he’s talking to at the time)and McCain sold out when he turned his back on MIA’s when he help close the hearing so trade could resume with vietnam.watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qvbXX7qZ9o . I am conservative,the Goldwater,Reagan,Paul type, not the socalistic dogmatic B.S. the republicans and democrats have become..
Paul, I understand where you are coming from. I would much rather have seen Paul than McCain.
Well, maybe not much rather…But I would have liked Paul to get much further along, maybe even the nomination.
Palin’s perceived provincial (ie. Alaska-centric) view of the world worries people in the GOP.
Palin has energized the GOP base, which has never been a big fan of McCain. I have yet to hear a single Republican in my circle express concern about her provincial view of the world.
If you put away your party hat, the Obama story is inspiring. However, I question his ability to deal with foreign issues.
For me, an Obama win would be big, since the market would crater, 1929 style. However, that might not be the best avenue for my family.
He didn’t meet Rez til after Harvard. Rez knew anybody and everybody in Chi. That’s a losing argument for yourself. Obama was a civil rights lawyer while Rez was a ‘slum lord’.
It’s these stupid, hard to prove either way, details that makes most people lose their minds.
I still don’t know what the point of that link you sent was.
All GOP’ers:
Why didn’t McCain pick an experienced woman in the military? Maybe a General.
Someone with a real resume.
Fly, I’m an incredibly biased kool-aid drinker. But what is your reasoning for the market to crash if Obama’s elected. Do you mean his policies will crash it or the fact of him getting elected will cause people to sell?
fuck you olberman and you left wing media fucks! Which will offend the American people more: talking down to community organizers or talking down to small town america? ding ding ding
Wood is right on. Campaign manager Schmidt is a schemy fuck. This Palin choice has so many traps for the Democrats and the media to fall into. They are already falling for them.
I am not a McCain guy at ALL but man Palin has me excited again.
Palin is a true woman that shows her legs! Love it! Not a morphed man like Hillary!
“Boy is Jake missing out tonight.”
He’s busy writing the next speech for Palin.
Palin has energized the GOP base, which has never been a big fan of McCain. I have yet to hear a single Republican in my circle express concern about her provincial view of the world.
You probably hang out with the culture warrior crowd right? Where the important issues are abortion rights and gay marriage etc… Not necessarily the economy or foreign policy.
Recusancy, is it customary for community organizers to accept large campaign donations from community destroyers? Seems to me that if Obama was re-building communities, that he wouldn’t have accepted 41,000 in donations from a slum lord, of the same community.
My last comment:
If Obama throws up trade barriers, circa late 1920’s and raises taxes, the market will cease to exist.
Ha. Well… He wouldn’t have if he knew that he was a felon. He gave the money back.
That’s why we need full public funding of campaigns. No private money so people can’t be bought off and no false associations like that. But I’m sure, good OPer that you are, are against public financing of campaigns.
That last sentence was a little belittling but not ad hominem just to let you know.
Romney was my guy and still think he would have been the most capable president, but his Mormon religion did him in.
If she wants it, Palin will be the first woman nominee for President someday. In one week, she already has the Republican base rallying around her. Holy crap!
Recu, lets get one thing straight. There was a time when I would have voted Jerry Garcia into the White House. Trust me, I’m not a “good OPer.” Many of my views on social issues would make most repubs. cringe. But I am strongly conservative when it comes to fiscal responsibility, which Bush has really been extremely disappointing or has even failed miserably at.
I support full public funding of campaigns, within reason.
Fly. I understand your concern. That’s the traditional hard liberal stance that Obama is perceived as on Fox and all the other stations (and probably from your friends).
He’s actually quite a free trader (for a liberal). He had to disguise it a bit I think in the primaries but, from reading his books, speeches, and past legislation, you’ll get a real sense of a free trader. Most likely not to your satisfaction. But not to what is caricatured as a liberal.
Auston Goolsbee has his ear as do a few others I can’t remember at the moment. I’m an idiot when it comes to the market (I’m read your blog to learn) so I can’t argue any solid points, but I do get a real sense that he’s a free trader (although I’m sure Kudlow would disapprove haha).
He’s busy writing the next speech for Palin.
Will that be a masculine speech or toned down and more feminine?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/09/putting_words_in_palins_mouth.html
Doesn’t matter who wins, It’s still going to be “business as usual.”
Bold faced lying, and back room deals.
I especially like the part where both candidates say
“energy independence”
That’s gotta be the biggest bold faced lie of all.
Well then Shedder, I can respect that. It’s the social conservatives that bug the shit out of me. There’s no debating them.
Why aren’t you a Paulite then? McCain doesn’t seem to me to be a fiscal conservative.
Recusancy, what past legislation? There is like what, 3 bills maybe, of which he was a co-sponsor? Of course, I’m approximating, from memory, but I remember it was a very small amount. Other than those, if he voted with the Dems, can he really be that much of a free trader?
Jake has a very creative mind. Remember, he was an English major who morphed into a capitalist.
Fly, agreed. The other problem with the Palin nomination is it exposes McCain as a hypocrite. He has consistently criticized Obama for not having the experience to be president. Fine by me. Then, he nominates Palin, who also holds a razor-thin resumé. Clearly, McCain picked Palin solely as a campaign tool to energize the base (rather than to pick some old guy like Pawlenty who is credible and suitable, but old, white, and, well, boring). No questions there. But given McCain’s health complications in recent years and his age, the prospect of a potential Palin presidency is very real.
In a nutshell, McCain nominated someone he knows not to be ready for the White House (much as he feels about Obama), but who he feels can be instrumental to his election even if there’s a risk he could croak on year one and the American public would be left holding the bag on Palin. Gotta love politicians.
-Phil
Recu, you missed my previous comment where I said I would have liked Paul to get farther along in the process, or even get the nomination.
My one major apprehension concerning Paul was national security.
hey woodshedder, what do you think?
If BAC gets to 35.4, it’s 200 day, or even if it gets to JULY high 34.26, ( Don’t you think that’s a great place to go LONG SKF?)
Also, Shedder. Why do you like Palin? She raised taxes as mayor. She’s done some symbolic things as governor(like sell the plane) but she was for the ‘bridge to nowhere’ before she was against it. She had a lobbying firm get her $20mil for her town of 6500. She had earmarks that McCain put on his ‘excessive earmark’ list.
I like her story and family and all that. She’s a likable person. I’m wondering about policy that doesn’t involve social issues.
Phil, I don’t disagree with your analysis, except to say that I would rather have Palin end up being president than Obama. Of course, as mentioned previously, that could change, depending on she continues to present herself.
But my impression of her tonight was that she would be able to do the job.
I like Paul’s convictions. Some of his followers are a slightly nutty, to say the least, but at least they stand for something.
Recu, I like her because I feel that she is honest, trustworthy, and genuine.
Probably the same as many feel about Obama.
My opinion is that Obama will say anythign to get elected, and that he will over-promise and under-deliver.
Good night all…I’m sure the pundits will give us more to talk about tomorrow.
Lest we forget, before becoming prime minister, Margaret Thatcher was the Secretary of Education in GB, with no foreign policy experience. As prime minister, she ended up being instrumental in the collapse of the Soviet Union.
It comes down to leadership, character, resolve, and a willingness to put the needs of others before yourself. When you have that going for you, you can effectively face a lot of challenges and overcome them.
We’ll see if Palin walks the talk.
Zee, I’m ready to go long SKF. Been watching it daily, as much as I can. It is worrying me, as if it doesn’t get some bids soon, its buh bye, and it will be a painful wash out.
I can tell you. If Obama doesn’t deliver he will alienate and piss of many, including myself. He has a heavy burden if elected.
I’d just like to see her answer a question on the fly. That’s all. I’ve watched her Alaska gov debates and they were all about oil and fishing/wildlife. I want to see her think on her feet and not give a BS answer. Until then, who knows.
Politics sucks.
wow what a speech-i dont give a siit who wrote it.reusancy i respect you and your opinion but your an asshooole.obama vs palin in the octagon-palin rips his lips off.as a lifelong demo, i’m switching to the palin party.yes politics and religion.
Palin is nothing but a cum dumpster. Her husdand is a man-bitch, and her daughter swallows.
But Im republican.
I was hoping for McCain-Leiberman vs Obama-Clinton, so we could have a black, a woman, a Jew, and a cripple all running together. Darn.
Instead we get this …
You suck for posting this.
Not impressed by Palins speech. Very average. I don’t get the hype, praise or hysteria.
Morning futures are further pricing in an Obama victory on Palins speech & McCains VP choice. McCain just lost. Get used to saying President Obama.
Obama ain’t great but he’s not too bad either. McCain will be looking very old, in many ways, when they face off in debates. He’ll make mincemeat of the old man. Palin is a losing choice and I am NO Obamamaniac.
Fly is right; we will be at war shortly, not that we can know if Obama will be a great war president but I’d rather have someone with all their marbles intact than some dude who should be playing with his grandkids & some previous hockey mom mayor of Podunk, Alaska who may have to face off against Russia & China if the old man kicks in office.
This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco,
this ain’t no fooling around
No time for dancing, or lovey dovey,
I ain’t got time for that now.
All I can say is, the Republicans & the USA had their chance with no truer & rarer a Patriot like Ron Paul, but they showed they are as dumb or dumber than their Dem counterparts.
The USA is in trouble. Bigtime.
“All I can say is, the Republicans & the USA had their chance with no truer & rarer a Patriot like Ron Paul, but they showed they are as dumb or dumber than their Dem counterparts.”
And with that I hereby declare this thread closed. I’m still waiting for her to take off her glasses and shake her hair loose by the way.
She will make a great sportscaster after the election.
Bottom line- I would sleep with her. End of debate, Im voting republican.
Need I remind you we are at war?
What? McCain’s not enough of a warrior to eclipse the Community Organizer and a 36 Year Senate Liberal who’s only qualification is that he’s been wrong on very major foreign policy move over that period?
She wasn’t tough enough for you?
With all due respect, tell your sexist bullshit story walking. It’s not about gender, it’s about policy.
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It’s all bs. The whole thing is a show.
Turn on the cartoon network for some genuine entertainment. Politics today is like a caricature of real life.
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What a gigantic cop-out. You’ve got absolute nutbags in power in Congress right now with the power to make laws that can knock this country completely off track and head it down the same nihilistic despair route that Western Europe faces today and you say – “yeah so what? It’s a game?”
Fucking disappointing.
Mocking community organizing? Really? That’s what the OP is about now?
Yeah, turn it on its ear, why don’t you? It wasn’t like the Community Organzier himself wasn’t the one who had the BALLS to question her experience, was it?
Howabout you and your Potemkin Village Soros Puppet Candidate go fondle a goat to assuage your fake hurt feelings?
PS — “Community organizing” — WTF is that anyway?
Phil not from the US —
All due respect to your thoughtful thoughts, but the race is not Palin vs. the Community Organizer, but McCain v Obama.
Palin sketched out the two broad strokes — raising taxes ACROSS THE BOARD in a bad economy and ZERO EXPERIENCE. THat’s what she was supposed to do. Obama’s speech was similar in that it was equally zilchoid on the specifics (not good to mention tax increases in national speech after all).
McCain will talk specifics because, like Biden he’s the “experience” part of this ticket, and not the “glamor.”
It’s a shame that the roles are reversed on the Dem side, and that, rather than point this out, everyone is supposed to ooh and ahh and admire the Candidate’s Beautiful New Clothes.
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This thread is proof that sleep is over rated (not for me, I was gone by 10:00 PM).
When people ask about her foreign policy chops and they reply with the fact the Alaska is close to Russia, that’s not a good thing.
Does this goat shagger even understand how stupid his argument is, given what his ticket looks like?
Dipshit, how many GOVERNORS have “foreign policy experience?” Given that Palin actually has to deal with Canada and Russia, she’s probably in the top percentile.
In the mean time, pull yourself out of your cognitive dissonance bubble for half a second and ask yourself how many freaking COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS have “foreign policy experience.”
Sometimes I think goatfuckers who like the Dem Party really were brainwashed by bad public schooling(as the old Repub dig goes), as if the NEA removed a logical reasoning lobe from the unsuspecting little snotters in the middle of second grade or something.
Why didn’t McCain pick an experienced woman in the military? Maybe a General.
Someone with a real resume.
What general’s experience matches up with that of a state governor, electoral OR executive?
And how many $40 billion dollar state contracts do generals negotiate?
You need to start doing your homework again.
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TC — I didn’t even come on last night. Who knew the commies and Fly would cause such a ruckus?
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Obama writes his own speeches. Yes he has a writer to help but he basically writes them himself. So it’s not all the same.
Bullshit.
What do you want to know about Obama’s community organizing. They were disparaging ALL community organizers. Those are people that work for little or nothing to help people in need. Real nice. Not gonna go over well.
Sure, great people like Al Sharpton who push for communism and rail against anyone redeveloping the shit sections of a city because it might eat into their political power. WHat a bunch of fucking saints. Not to mention that what Guiliana said last night was true, that the big “CHANGE” man’s first step into the political world was to run up and suckle on the corrupt bloated breast of the CHICAGO DEMOCRATIC MACHINE.
Yeah, a real “agent of change” in his community — keep those ballot boxes stuffed and those people in their place!
Can anyone deny the RENAISSANCE in Obama’s district? BwaaH!
It’s about feminism because anytime anybody asks about her resume or credentials they come back with “would you ask that to a man?â€. And the answer to that is, she would not be on the ticket if she were a man.
Again this goatfucker steps into it like he’s my own personal “Slappy the Straight Man.”
Hey McFly, let me ask you a “reality based” question… Do you really think your COMMUNITY ORGANIZER would’ve been anywhere near this election if he wasn’t dreamy and black?
No, you’re right, we could’ve thrown Fatfuck the Unshaven Socialist in there because the issues are so compelling for the Messiah.
Wake up out of the fugue, Demmies, some of this shit is important.
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Jake, you know I love ya. However, Fly is going to forbid me from hosting political discussions, unless we can keep it clean. In my world, goat shagger is an ad hominem. You can do better, without tearing down his person.
McCain, Palin, AND Biden have a son in Iraq. So they all have skin in it.
If I recall correctly, Biden’s kid is a lawyer over there, the “hat” not falling far from the “ass,” I guess.
I respect his kid for his service, but it’s not exactly the same as combat infantry.
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100 + comments … enough said ?!?
That said, I propose we just cut to the quick: “Religeon” – Lets tawk Religious Beliefs, & the correct ones.
Bud. The Dems had an ideological cleansing. You won’t see it to fruition until they actually have a chance to govern.
Oh really? So all this bullshit about taxing the rich eight ways to Sunday in order to increase the size of government and transfer funds to those choosing a less taxing life, shrinking the military, nationalizing the health care system and every other commie thing they’ve been talking about since McGovern 36 years ago, that’s all the result of this “ideological cleansing?”
I swear to Christmas, you are one for the advanced study books in political cognitive dissonance.
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The “God” bullshit wasn’t really funny the fifteenth time you pulled it, jackass.
If you don’t want to discuss this thread, or you think it’s trivial, take a pill and buzz off.
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Jake,
thank you.
Paul Scott,
I feel your pain, buddy, and I’m no big fan of “The Maverick.”
I do think we may have seen our future president last night, however, just like when Reagan gave his stemwinder to the convention in 1976.
So don’t give up hope. Hope is all we have.
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Woody,
Sorry, but (most) of these folks are goat shaggers (ie, people who do not think very clearly, and are therefore sexually attracted to le chevre.)
I speak only truth.
I can offer a compliment to recusancy, however. He at least speaks his mind under one nom de plume and does not hide like a coward behind a pseudonym he won’t use elsewhere on this site.
Those cowards are the biggest chevre-shaggers.
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But what is your reasoning for the market to crash if Obama’s elected. Do you mean his policies will crash it or the fact of him getting elected will cause people to sell?
Did you even read my blog post about market discounting the massive tax increases, or did you merely jump right to the comments section to defend the One?
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My God, I’ve never taken a pill in my life!
Ha. Well… He wouldn’t have if he knew that he was a felon. He gave the money back.
Did he give the discounted house back too?
Yeah, he didn’t know Rezko was a scumbag. That’s the first time I’ve heard a lefty even attempt this one.
Congrats!
As for your love of “public financing,” do you really believe that will keep the corruption out? Do you know how much money the federal government hands out through Congress every year?
It’s close to three trillion dollars. Why in the world would you think that public financing would somehow stem the tide of influence pushing and peddling, rather than push it deeper under ground — a la Obama’s Chicago Machine?
Perhaps I am too hard on you. Your naivete makes you not much of a match. I’m assuming you are extremely young.
My god, I’ve never taken a pill in my life!
Maybe that’s your problem, jackass.
Commence.
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You probably hang out with the culture warrior crowd right? Where the important issues are abortion rights and gay marriage etc… Not necessarily the economy or foreign policy.
Again, you play Slappy the Straight Man to my delight and your chagrin. What exactly are Barack’s “economic and foreign policy” bona fides, again?
And you realize that the one article Barack wrote for the Harvard Law Review was about, and what the ONE issue he was well known for in the Illinois State Senate was, don’t you?
You stepped in it already Slappy, but I’ll tell you anyway: “The Fight For ‘Abortion Rights.'”
Jeez, I may have to send you a check or something.
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Jake, for goodness sakes, tone it down a bit. Your arguments can stand on their own. You are going to kill this thread and future political threads. Just attack ideas, not people, and dispense with the name calling.
I don’t believe in pills. However you believe in me, no doubt.
Go figure.
In a nutshell, McCain nominated someone he knows not to be ready for the White House (much as he feels about Obama), but who he feels can be instrumental to his election even if there’s a risk he could croak on year one and the American public would be left holding the bag on Palin. Gotta love politicians.
Phil, your nutshell is cracked. Why would someone with gubernatorial executive experience “not be ready for the White House?”
Was Clinton “not ready for the White House?” Howabout George Bush Senior, when he was made Veep? LBJ? Jimmy Carter? (well, okay, you got me there).
Give me a fuggin break. She’s a woman, and that’s what you are seeing. This is not an uncommon stance in South American dudes, but let’s not let it turn us into media shibboleth plungers without doing the analysis first, huh?
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I don’t believe in pills. However you believe in me, no doubt.
Go figure.
I believe you are an asshat, if that’s what you mean.
Go figure a Hummel, jerkwad.
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Wood,
What did you get an FCC warning or something? Fly make a dumb bet so we can’t curse, or pound on each other anymore?
For your sake, however, I will tone it down.
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Obama ain’t great but he’s not too bad either. McCain will be looking very old, in many ways, when they face off in debates. He’ll make mincemeat of the old man. Palin is a losing choice and I am NO Obamamaniac.
Sorry, Wood, but I have to call bullshit on this.
There is no Ron Paul backer who would ever say “Obama’s not too bad either.”
Obama wants to nationalize a fifth of the economy. That’s not too bad “Ron Paul backer?”
He wants to increase the size of government yet again, while McCain wants to shrink it, that’s not too bad, “Ron Paul Backer?”
Obama wants to crack down on free trade for the sake of unions, and increase the taxes on capital and investing, further impeding capital flows to this country, that’s not too bad, “Ron Paul backer?”
Sorry Wood, I call “buuuuulllllshit!” on this nonsense.
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Jake, call bullshit on whatever you deem appropriate. I like all the back and forth, but it gets stymied when you get all revved up calling folks commies and goat shaggers. As I said, your arguments, on their own, are tough to beat. You don’t need much more than that.
Jake, I admire your enthusiasm and energy, no matter how misdirected, ego-derived and driven.
http://www.270towin.com/
Ok guys here you go. Instead of arguing politics just do the math on the electoral map. 270 to win – currently 207 to Obama, 174 to McCain. I’ve mapped a scenario where we get a tie. PA, MI, MN, NH, NV and NM to Obama. FL, OH, NC, VA, MO and CO to McCain. A 269 tie.
Jake, I’ll assume you voted for Bush, twice. A man who promised to shrink government, has presided over the current crony bailout socialism and a dollar collapse, which effectively has increased the tax rate on anyone in this country.
Our remaining choices do not include Ron Paul, if you hadn’t noticed.
Apply your own logic to your own self before you go throwing stones in glass houses.
Can we all go back to making money now? Sheesh.
Jake, you can be my attack dog anyday.
I’m a college student and either way, my social security is as good as gone. I believe it is being remitted back to Russia in order to pay off Fannie and Freddie paper as we speak.
NEW FLY RULES!!!!!!!!!
No politics during trading hours.
No name calling, when debating politics. If you are unable to debate with reason, backed with facts or opinions, then you have no business debating in the first place. Plus, name calling is my job.
I will allow political blogs after hours, which is a big shift for me. Seeing how many of you are interested in the Olympics, I mean elections, I will allow some discourse.
However, do it after hours—hat lovers.
What about if we pay for political commentary and ads on this blog during market hours? Any wiggle room on the rules?
Jake: Father forgive me, I have broken a commandment and am ashamed.
Priest: Jake, my son, what is the nature of your infraction with our Lord?
Jake: Father, I covet McCain’s VP candidate Sarah Palin in my thoughts and dreams.
Priest: Jake my son, say 10 Hail Mary’s, deposit $100 in the sinners box and refrain from political posting at IBC!
it’s too bad that even Ron Paul who everyone thinks is independent of the system, is secretly working for the same underground illuminatis propagandus that everyone else is, whether he knows it or not. He’s the candidate just around to give people hope, and make them think that it still is a democracy, and the system can be beaten.
Obama, Franken, and semi celebrity people running for power are no different, except that their “hope” message is designed to conveigh a message of hope to change the party, rather than to change a part of the system. Then there’s guys like Ventura that will come and give people hope that they can tear down what is perceived as the “whole system”.
Anything that happens in national news is all by design.
You are all sheep, get used to is
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Neigh!
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“Politics is the showbiz of industry.”
-Frank Zappa.