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Echoes of The 1929 Stock Market Set Up: Train Wreck Ahead!

“There is nothing unique about the crash of ’29. It is something that happens about every 20 to 30 years, because that is the length of the financial memory. It is about the length of time needed for a new set of suckers to come in and imagine that they have a new and wonderful fix on the future.”

John Kenneth Galbraith, The Great Crash of 1929 

(Fun Fact: 1987 Crash was 27 years ago)

1929 rallying cry: “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.” Irving Fisher (Leading economist of the time)

2014 rallying cry: “Don’t worry the Fed has our back.” Everyone on Wall Street

 

Thank you for all the responses!  Some house keeping is in order.  I am not a perma bear.  I was long stock up until January but I did not sleep well most of last year because we were stretched and the insanity was rampant.  I am a bear because the time is right from a cycle perspective and there are not many bears out there right now from a positioning stand point.  Trust me, when we arrive at or near a bottom I will trade it.  In fact I will trade many bottoms on the way down into the final lows.  However, being long at this point in the cycle is just plain silly.  I will turn uuber bullish when I see martial law announced and DHS tries to take the guns away from the gun folks.  Sell euphoria and buy despair.  Seriously, if you are long what exactly are you playing for?  The last 10%.  The risks right here right now are just insane.  Of course most people think that I am insane.  When people come around to my point of view we will be down a good bit of the way already.   Remember these two points: 1) We are in month 62 of the longest 4 year stock market cycle advance in the history of the DOW and 2) The Fed and China are tightening.  Really what else do you need to know?  Seriously keep it simple, go to a quite place, close your eyes, breath deeply and meditate on what I just said for 20 minutes.  Then hopefully you will be enlightened.  If I am a few months early who cares because when this market goes South it has the potential to simply just fall apart.

Now let us look at the echoes.

Fundamentals: In 1929 we had the roaring 20’s.  It was a time of fantastic growth in corporate profits.  Those profits were fueled by a very dovish Fed, a proliferation of installment credit for the middle class and new revolutionary technologies and advances.  The corporations expanded rapidly to meet the rising demand of the newly indebted serfs.  The other interesting thing was that the lion’s share of the wealth created went to the top 1% and the average workers wages stagnated in the 20’s and did not grow.  So the roaring 20’s were really only roaring for the top 1%.  Is this starting to sound familiar to any of you?  Also the Fed had very loose monetary policies because we were recovering from the 1920-21 depression.  Its funny how no one ever talks about that depression.  Kind of reminds me of the 2008-2009 crisis and the subsequent attempt to get things going again by flooding the world with money.

Wait, it gets better.

By the middle of the decade the economy had become sluggish and the Fed wanted to inject more credit into the banking system in the hope that it would find its way into the economy. (Sounds like QE 2 or 3 to me!)  Instead the money fueled speculation in stocks and real estate.

Gee…the Fed wanted to stimulate the economy but it went into stocks and real estate instead.  Did Ben Bernanke actually write his Phd dissertation on how to set up another Great Depression?  Even though corporate profits and revenues began decelerating in 1928 the stock market took off and ripped 43.8% due to rampant speculation and easy money.  The multiple on the market expanded while earnings were up single digits for the overall market.  Do you see where I am going with this?  In 2013 I believe the market revenues were basically flat with single digit eps growth but stocks advanced 30+%.  Got to love multiple expansion into a blow off top.

Meanwhile corporations in 1928 had over expanded capacity while the average worker was choking on debt and institutions were levering up to speculate in stocks.  Hmmmmm….that sounds very similar to today except substitute China for the excess capacity problem.

Technical/Market Structure BackDrop:  Leverage, leverage, leverage!  It is the fuel of all speculative bubbles and the ultimate demise.  In 1929 we had the public levered 10:1, banks were playing stocks, corporations were playing stocks and newly formed investment trust IPO’s were playing stocks.  Where are we today- 1) record margin debt, 2) corporations are borrowing to speculate…oops I mean buy back their stock, 3) banks levered to the gills are likely speculating somehow in the stock market and 4) the mother of all carry trades: the hedge funds with gross leverage as high as 10:1 with most levered more than 2:1.

In 1929, due to excessive stock speculation, the Fed began to tighten while the economy was slowing and the worker was struggling to make ends meet and service their debt.  When the selling began it was quick and brutal.  The stock market declined 45% from September to the beginning of November.

Today both the Fed and China are tightening.  On March 19th Janet Yellen mentioned ever so casually that she might raise short term interest rates in 2015 and high beta growth stocks have been pummeled beyond technical recognition.  Can you imagine what will happen if they actually raise rates.  We have only just begun this journey into the abyss.

In 1929 we had RCA and GM trading at crazy multiples because they were tech stocks and had appreciated 10X over the course of the bull market.  Today we have Tesla, Facebook and AMZN that are the dream stocks.  GM and RCA went down 90%.  Where do you think TSLA, FB and AMZN are headed?

To make matters worse 40%-50% of our stock market liquidity is provided by HFT’s that will evaporate in the event of actual panic selling.  Personally I would rather sell my stock to guys with chalk boards and ticker tapes from1929 than the HFT clowns.  Plus you have Dodd-Frank which just decreased Wall Streets ability to provide liquidity to both equity and fixed income markets.  This market structure is either a sick cruel joke, incompetence or an illuminati plot.

I hope I am wrong but history while never the same often rhymes.  In my next post I will talk about AMZN one of the darling growth stocks of this bull run.  I used to love it but now…..”Houston we have a problem.”

 

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17 comments

  1. the_wolf

    bravo, simplitisticly elegant and omnipotently brilliant,
    i could not agree with you more sir

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  2. Bruce J Keller
    Bruce J Keller

    I’ve got my hair slicked back and 80’s length just in time baby!

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  3. Jworthy

    Thanks for the the ongoing insight. I eagerly await your next post on AMZN.

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  4. Bruce j Keller Homo Stupidus
    Bruce j Keller Homo Stupidus

    Didn’t we just crash in 2008? I think we are in for stormy seas, but a crash/panic is a 10 sigma event and I just don’t see evidence of it. I think more realistically we have a 30% correction and after so many years without even a 10% correction! that type of move will feel catastrophic. Growth stocks are already in a bear market and I expect indexes to follow suit. Fear and loathing benefits no one.

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  5. PositionTrades

    bruce only 7 years between 2001 and 2008 as well.

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  6. bluestar

    Bruce,

    I like your scenario better from a societal standpoint. However this is what I am seeing. In 2008 we did not crash until the very end. It was an 18 month bear market that started in October of 2007 and ended March 2009. We are due for a 1929/1987 violent stock correction in both price and time. Not trying to spread fear and loathing. Most people won’t see this coming including your 30% correction. Good luck. Also The correction in 1920-21 was 45%. Eight years later we had 1929.

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  7. Bruce j Keller Homo Stupidus
    Bruce j Keller Homo Stupidus

    We’ve been in a secular bear since the double oughts and recently look to have emerged from it ( lack of a new high on the Nasdaq makes my argument admittedly weak). We crashed in 00 and again in 08. It’s anyone’s guess as this is all mental masturbation at this point and only time will tell. If you’re right and we do crash and say retest or even break the 666 lows there will be a fortune to be had on the rebound. If I’m right and we have a healthy and well needed correction and it is a start of a new secular bull there will be a fortune to be made. Either case spells big money for the patient speculator who trades what he sees and not what he wants. Good trading…

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  8. bluestar

    Bruce,

    I agree with you one should trade what unfolds. If I am wrong I will pull a 180. Looks like we both agree that the current set up suggests lower prices ahead regardless.

    Best

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  9. Bruce J Keller
    Bruce J Keller

    BJKHS: Gary, is that you?

    Also, why are you mentally masturbating?

    Do you not see how the Ukraine situation is playing out? The motivations behind it? Do you not see China struggling? Or not see the trouble in the South China Seas. Or that China and Russia and the whole BRICS are teaming up?

    Do you really have the illusion still present that somehow the $85 billion a month that has been throttled wasn’t somehow a big reason why the markets have went up along with ZIRP?

    Do you really think the reserve currency Fed isn’t going to have to end that and raise rates eventually? Doesn’t it seem reasonable that with all the Fed money ending in Oct/Nov that the market will drag, and then, 6 months before interest rates start rising, things start crashing?

    Seems likely to me, because it’s the same fucking cycle all the fucking time.

    I suppose the Fed could turn around and say they will print more again, but I really hope not, and not because I want to short stuff; although I’d probably start being long again while making plans to move to the Philippines.

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  10. fryguy15

    Always good to keep things in perspective. Appreciate the post.

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  11. Bruce j Keller Homo Stupidus
    Bruce j Keller Homo Stupidus

    Bruce- Obviously it’s me Stupid. The fact that people like They Call Me Bruce are zero-hedging all over themselves leads me to believe this is more like ’81-82. Where doomsayers galore must have thought we we going back to the bottom of the 70’s secular bear and when the market turned and started a new secular bull they were left flat footed and mouth agape.

    If I’m wrong it matters not as I’m positioned for a downside move (I think we are going to have at least 1 more major leg down on the Nasdaq and Russell and play catch up to some degree on the spx and Dow) and until I see improvements in the charts i watch I won’t be u-turning my strategy.

    There are a million reasons why we should crash and panic but I’ll let the pros like They Call Me Bruce w his $40 FEYE all-in trades worry about that. I’ll continue to trade things as they are and not how I think they will be.

    Triumph of the Optimist, kids. At the end of the day, WE always overcome ( at least statistically).

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  12. jbran

    On interest rates, they will not rise until necessary, necessary is when inflation gets out of hand. The “velocity of money” would have to rise to have harmful inflation. With the economy moving slowly it is difficult seeing how it would be necessary to raise rates. That is why Ben said last fall in the Beige book that rates could remain low for an extended period of time. Here is a chart of the VOM, it would be nice to see it over the rise and fall of interest rates over the same period. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s%5B1%5D%5Bid%5D=M2V

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  13. juice

    Bluestar, 1st of all, love having a raging-rabid bear on the site … refreshing! 😛

    2nd .. I don’t think HFT provide liquidity, in no way, Jose. They simply front run orders and try to get you to pay a couple more cents for what you wanted in the first place. i assume they go home like a day-trader, dead-flat.

    Why aren’t you talking long hordes of gold & silver to go with your end of days scenario?

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  14. bluestar

    Juice,

    On HFT’s I see what you are saying but think about this. All the hedge fund risk models use Average Daily Volume to calculate liquidity risk. They are all off by about 50% since the HFT volume is a mirage. Garbage in garbage out.

    Gold and Silver charts look awful. No trend change in sight. The Dollar on the other hand has been basing for five years and if my scenario unfolds we get global deleveraging and a strong dollar. I do not believe the dollar is going to collapse in fact the opposite I think it could rally 30-50% over the next three years against other currencies. These are confusing times. Gold and Silver look like they are going lower to me over the medium term.

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  15. juice

    Bluestar, you know this cycles guy?

    http://www.smartmoneytracker.blogspot.com/

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  16. christiangustafson

    Good stuff, Bluestar! I can’t wait to see the Fly serving up savage short calls.

    I’d like to know your opinion on my pocket analysis here of the 10Y T going sub-1% on the coming market crash.

    http://tinyurl.com/kgasb85

    Only after Treasuries bottom at Japanese yields do they start to sell .. and sell … and we get the final debt and currency crisis.

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  17. bluestar

    Juice,

    Not personally but I have read his public Stuff. Saw that today.

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