Coming from someone who’s walked the black dog for much of his adult life, I know first hand what it’s like to grow a beard and dive into melancholy. As a matter of fact, I’m growing a beard now. I used to lash out in fits of unbridled rage, get into arguments with people, and remain in a constant state of disappointment with people — because they didn’t live up to my expectations.
The idea behind being disappointed in someone, or upset, is predicated on the notion that he/she had a choice and made decided to make a bad one.
(ADJUSTS MICROPHONE) WRONG.
See lads, people do not have free will or choice. Let me explain.
If I woke up one morning and said “I want to be a fucking brain surgeon” and set out to do it — in a thousand years, I could never become a brain surgeon. On the flip side, if I was tasked with creating an investment stratagem or to write a fantastic book or short story, I could do it with ease — whilst the brain surgeon, who is very competent and smart and talented, couldn’t invest his own money or write an interesting paragraph if his fucking life depended on it.
Your genes, the DNA coursing thru your veins, makes you who you are. Your bloodline determined your proclivities and intelligence before you were born. That’s all there is to it.
If your grandfather and father were thieves and mountebanks — you are not to be trusted. Conversely, if you have a history of brilliance in your bloodline, you have a great chance of being highly intelligent too. Naturally, intelligence doesn’t mean you’ll get rich. There are other factors that determine a person’s drive, such as grit and perseverance — the ability to accept defeat and advice.
If a person is programmed, literally programmed, to make mistakes, acting like a complete asshole, lazy, weak, or incredibly obstinate, think back to this post and all of the macro-data that supports this assertion — knowing full well that people do not have a choice, and find solace in knowing that’s just the way it is.
Interestingly enough, if your bloodline is permeated with passivity, people who regularly accepted shit and ate it, that might explain why you’re such a damned pushover. Half the battle is becoming aware.
Nowadays, I cavort and sashay thru life, viewing people behaving badly, and I smile at the spectacle — because I know an ape is an ape and that’s all there is to it. Instead of getting mad, I feed them bananas.
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No such thing as biology.
Race is a social construct.
That’s just fatalism man. Epigentics says otherwise. Our experience shapes who we are and our actions shape our experience. Don’t fall prey to that fatalistic horseshit.
Sarcasm.
I was replying to fly. I assumed you were being sarcastic
The same thought occurred to me. Although the very drive that causes one to behave in a manner that one change things in a positive manner through epigenetics (for both yourself and your progeny) has an inborn component. But yeah, IQ is much more quickly malleable than was once thought.
Those studies are wrong. Nurture plays an infinitesimal part of who you become. You will never be a doctor with an ordinary bloodline. Ever.
Naturally, the people want hope and want to believe that if you ‘work really hard’ you can be President of the US or get accepted to MIT. Truth is, 99.99999% of the time, none of that shit will happen.
However, life can produce grande personalities and that can be used in sales, executive positions, acting, entertainment, and other places where success can be enjoyed.
But if your friend is a jerk — it’s not because he was having a bad week or month — it’s because his genetic make up causes him to be one.
Ain’t just mom’s nurturing, it is what society tells you as well. For example: if you’re told that you’re less capable …that you need special help (e.g., affirmative action) …that there’s a safety net to catch you anyway; you are far less likely to strive and to pass on a higher level of capabilities to your offspring.
Also, “Why bother, the man’s not going to give you a fair shake anywayism” is extremely toxic.
Yep, I agree ferd. If you think you can’t, then you won’t.
Ferd
Not a big believer in nurture at all, unless the trauma is transitional and generational. That is learned losership — but it only affect a small portion of society who would otherwise be successful.
In other words, a smart person would remove himself from welfare and find how to live a better life. If people accept their menial lives it is because their DNA made them like that — docile and weak and dumb.
This is nonsense. I know more than a handful of people who came from blue collar working class families without a college degree that have gone on to attain post-secondary educations and professional careers. Hard work and the right choices along with support and guidance are key.
SK
Anecdotal evidence is not an argument. I’m sure there are plenty of shitty country doctors. I doubt there are main brain surgeons, if any at all, who hail from blue collar families that are ordinary.
Just because you’re blue collar doesn’t mean you’re ordinary. But, odds are, they are.
Ben Carson’s parents were ordinary blue collar workers. His politics aside, he is a world class brain surgeon.
Universities of the Ivy varietal ensure a eugenics program that you aren’t prepared to think about. You can continue to dream the blue dream of everyone being born equal and your kids believing in the fairy tale they could be mathematicians winning field medals, without any genius in their bloodlines.
Dr. Carson is an enigma. None of his back story makes any sense.
Read this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3311025/Ben-Carson-s-parents-NOT-bigamist-father-child-bride-23-siblings-describes.html
Dr. Carson’s father is a mystery too.
he told Daily Mail Online that Robert Carson married her mother in the late 1980s after they met at their local Baptist church where he was a preacher.
New Starlight Baptist Church members confirmed that Carson was an associate minister.
Speaking in 1988, Dr. Carson described his father as a minister ‘of the Jimmy Swaggart variety.’
In contrast, New Starlight members remembered him as ‘a good man, smart, faithful, tall and good-looking’ who never missed a Sunday service and was always impeccably dressed, often wearing a suit and bow tie.
Dr. Carson’s father was smart AF
Tubbs added that she did not know the details of her stepfather’s past life, but denied that her family were ‘the other “wife” and other children’ Carson wrote about in ‘Gifted Hands.’
‘Not my family,’ she said. ‘We didn’t come until 30 years later. We were in his old age. Mr Carson was a reverend at New Starlight Baptist Church around the corner. That’s how he and my mother met.’
‘He wore a white collar when nobody else did. They did the services down there under Reverend Petty at the time. He sat next to Reverend Petty at the church.
‘He and his brother were living in a big house down the street. The house is still down there.’
Also…avoid SOXS.
Also, and I might add, this was a seriously smug and pretentious post. I know you like to push buttons and create conversation, but this was some real elitist mouthwash. Liberals would love this kind of stuff.
I thought it was just another genius roundabout way for Le Fly to smack you in the face for not joining Exodus.
SK
This wasn’t intended to be smug. I swear to everything that is good and just that this train of thought keeps me happy.
Someone cuts me off in traffic driving like a maniac?
No problem. He is a dumb person and cannot help acting out impulsively.
At the bar and someone rudely cuts you off?
That’s easily explained by his family lineage being brutes and tobacco smokers.
People are who they are because they cannot help it.
I get it man. We are all trying to make sense of the chaos. But fatalism is a dead end philosophy.
You view it as fatalism, whereas I find it refreshing. It depends on your perspective. I try to not be naive about goals and expectations.
I admit, I think this when driving through duke (even headed drivers) and wake forest (death wish drivers) every time on the highway when school is in.
yes – whites have superior genetics – proof? Civilization, every invention etc….
Zephler
I don’t subscribe to macro racial superiority claims, not because one race doesn’t have higher IQ than another, but because it’s meaningless drivel.
IQ is local. You cannot affix yourself to the accomplishments of Scottish men who lives 1,000 years ago. Talk to me about your mom and dad, grandparents and great grandparents. Show me how you’ve made society better. How are your kids? etc
The Arabs created algebra, the Chinese gunpowder, and the Jews started the most followed philosophy in the world. If you think Whites have a monopoly on inventions you are either ignorant or a racist.
There are countless studies on this topic.
Here’s one
https://www.livescience.com/47288-twin-study-importance-of-genetics.html
Here’s another. Genetics responsible for 80% of IQ. In other words, no matter how many private schools you send your kids to, they’ll always be as smart as they were when they were born.
http://www.frontlinegenomics.com/news/20419/using-dna-to-predict-intelligence/
Here, if you don’t believe me.
DNA tests can predict intelligence, scientists show for first time
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/12/dna-tests-can-predict-intelligence-scientists-show-first-time/
Genome-wide association meta-analysis of 78,308 individuals identifies new loci and genes influencing human intelligence
https://www.nature.com/articles/ng.3869
The heritability of IQ for adults is between 57% and 73%[5] (with some more-recent estimates as high as 80%[6] and 86%
Looks like a commercial for CRISPR custom edited babies. Now with higher IQs guaranteed!
”People do not have free will or choice”.
Totally unacceptable to any well manicured ego.
However 100% true.
I agree that intelligence is driven by genetics but I will never agree that we don’t have free will or the ability for improvement (or retrogression). The environment we live in shapes us in major ways and provides for a foundation upon which success can be achieved.
Ultimately, I believe that intelligence is not a prerequisite for success and vice versa.
Take Bill Gates as a toddler and put him in a welfare ghetto for his whole life and I say MSFT does not exist today.
True, but there is no reason someone born in a welfare ghetto cannot find success through education and start a career at MSFT.
Fry
I think I said the trauma of generational poverty can in fact have a deleterious effect on youth. Bill Gates growing up in the housing projects might’ve grown up to do something even better, or maybe become America’s top drug dealer of all time.
America is full people descended from the European underclass …from drunks, perverts, serfs, and witch-burning religious nuts; yet their kids did OK under a system that did a better job than did their homelands of protecting private property and of letting folks keep the rewards of their efforts. Note too that they accomplished this stuff while the statistically more intelligent Han were shitting in pots to fertilize their subsistence veggie plots.
Question is: Does our current system of crony capitalism combined with vote-buying giveaways bring out the best in people?
>Does our current system of crony capitalism combined with vote-buying giveaways bring out the best in people?
Yes, as you decide to bring out your best.
Just because you didn’t hit the DNA lottery doesn’t mean you can’t do great things. I think some of you are taking this too much to heart. All I am saying is a lad from the slums of Italy, whose pops is a shoe cobbler and mother picks up recycled cans at night, is NOT going to become a physicist. However, if he has a strong mind about who he is and what he’s capable of doing — he could become the best damn salesman that Oracle has ever seen — or perhaps a top chef at 3 star Michelin eatery.
Maybe thru his success, he marries someone from MIT and their kid becomes a physicist and the gene pool improves from there.
Hello all. Wouldn’t the highest and best use of an innate gift be likely to lead to a happy life? Lifetime steps and actions to use a gifted talent may be the part that is bogged down in the circumstances of living.
Happiness for me isn’t happiness for you, and vice versa. Many high IQ people are miserable and suicidal. Their melancholy is due to their disappointment and inability to control circumstances. Unfortunately, many very smart people are unable to communicate well with other humans and that lack of connection makes them sad.
Who would you rather have as your brain surgeon, Donald Trump, Barrack obama, George w Bush?
Intelligence is one thing, wisdom to use it quite another.
While a decent level of intelligence is indeed a fundamental building block, there are several other factors
I know many intelligent people. Some would even fall in the category of genius material.
Most of these folks have led stellar lives that anyone would term a success and their talents are exhibited in many formats. Others, even though I can say they are much higher IQ than average, are feckless, thoughtless and crass louts and are generally speaking, a waste of skin.
One of my daughters in law is a case and point. Her father’s side of the family tree is all above average by any textbook measurement. But she is pretty much the lone wolf of the tribe when it comes to making something of yourself.
By any measure, her upbringing was horrid. Her mother left and disappeared from the lives of all the children when my DiL was the tender age of 4. Just left. No one heard from her for years. Her father was basically MIA throughout her childhood, spending a significant part of it in and out of jail. She was raised by grandparents until they were unable to do so, the unofficially adopted by an unrelated woman who just took her under her wing because she cared.
One of her brothers had a full ride math scholarship to UofM. He mastered geometry and trig as a freshman and aced calculus as a high school sophomore. He is currently doing his second round in the state prison system for drug related activity on the retail end of things. All of her siblings and her father are solid 7’s on a 1-10 scale. One being Neanderthal and 10 being Einstein.
What’s the difference? What is the spark that gives a person the determination to forge on to a better place, put in the work needed to get there and not give up when life kicks you in the gut.
Lord knows, my DiL started out on that downward spiral, having 2 kids out of wedlock with a (Capital L) loser, signing her name on the house mortgage only to have him shack up one after another after another woman and leave her hanging with the debt, bankrupt.
But somewhere along the line she grabbed life by the throat and said no more, put herself through school, became an RN, emergency room nurse and is now the chief medical officer at an assisted living facility. She and my son will own that place some day in the near future.
I can say this, getting back to my opening statement. Intelligence must be applied and used for it to have any positive effect on a persons life. Work has to be put in, “dues” have to be paid, battles lost must be turned into victory no matter how many times one is thrown down.