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FED WON’T RAISE…RIGHT?

2016-09-16_14-20-52Here’s a quick chart of a three and a half decade long trend. It’s the 30-yr Treasury Bond index.

While I’ve always said that this is one market that doesn’t have as great of a late 90’s correlation…the interesting similarity here to late 1998 is that prices had significantly deviated away from their longer term trend. A little bond market volatility here and a shit show begins.

Here’s a closer look at 1998. After a 2 year long run away from the trend, the meltdown was fairly bloody.

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After a nice 2+ year move away from the trend, prices are slowly coming into support.

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Something to keep an eye on. Also, investors fled stock funds at the fastest pace of the year this week.

Have a good weekend.

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46 comments

  1. scarface

    Chances Fed raises 0%
    Chances market raises ……….well it would be stupid to put a number here but they are significantly higher then that of the Feds.

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    • Option Addict

      I know what Fed fund futures suggest, but surprise volatility in bonds fucks so much of that ‘risk a dollar to make a nickel’ crowd.

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      • scarface

        Pardon my ignorance but will we really crash if they raise .25. It would have minimal impact on the economy. Especially to the average investor considering that mortgage and loans rate are a reflection of prime but subject to lender adjustment regardless of the prime rate. Also corporate borrowing though impacted wouldn’t be quashed from such a minimal raise. The last hike had essentially no overall economic impact from my understanding.

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        • Option Addict

          Bro, the bond market. If you’re into bonds at these prices, you stand to lose much more than you make. Historically, a blue chip with a respectable dividend becomes a safer play.

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  2. jpmorgains

    The resemblance is striking. Very interesting indeed.

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  3. dragun

    Good post OA. The only thing that has me worried is Gartman saying Fed will NOT raise. Maybe he’ll be right for once (in Algerian Budju terms).

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  4. magnum

    If investors are given an excuse to exit bonds stocks could surge, as long as there’s some appetite for risk. This could be a positive catalyst.

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    • cascadia

      Wouldn’t stocks surge before the fund managers jump in? At that point you’ve given up some sizeable returns.

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      • magnum

        Says who? The money for the surge has to come from somewhere and bonds are incredibly over-owned here.

        I’m not 100% that equities get the flows from a bond market rout, but if they do new ATHs should be on the horizon.

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        • Option Addict

          Well, look at what stocks did when bonds turned back into their primary trends. The other similar set-ups on that 30 year chart were 1994, 1998, 2003 and 2012.

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  5. MSGT HARTMAN

    Look at the commodity index. That tells the story.

    And Yellen is a liar, the worst Fed we have had.

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    • Option Addict

      Lower for longer commodity prices. Can’t wait for people to start talking the stimulative effects that will have.

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    • cascadia

      I am in the opposite camp on this one, but I suppose some of the difference may be in how you define ‘longer’.

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      • moosh

        I am long DO as soon as it closes above the 10 dma. Interested in ags plays long term as well

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      • moosh

        East coast refiners should be getting a bump from the AL colonial pipeline spill last Thurs. 6,000 barrels

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  6. JT

    Any view on ORCL here?

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    • ProBucks

      Dude .. ORCL is still high as shit.

      Def needs to come in a lot b4 thinking of picking up this name. I’d start getting interested if it was in the low 30’s

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  7. sethster99

    When a perma-bull becomes bearish, everyone should take notice.

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    • Option Addict

      Who tuned bearish?

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      • sethster99

        I figured this post was bearish, no?

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        • Option Addict

          Not against stocks, no.

          I’m not permabull either. I’ll bet against stocks when the mood changes and there is significant downside involved. I bet against plenty of stocks in late 06-07. Blogged about it too. Otherwise, the odds fall in favor of the trend in my opinion.

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    • formergeek

      Are we supposed to be able to read your mind? How about a little more info

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      • sethster99

        He doesn’t owe us anything. I appreciate what he shares. Can’t complain when a blogger shares winning trades for free. Subscribe to AOWOA for a boot camp and see how his method works. Jeff is quite successful at what he does.

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      • Frog

        Formergeek, perhaps you can say what info you want from OA, and he can give it if he has the time and the interest to do so. There are some kinds of answers he’s willing to give. And other kinds that he’s not willing to give– the kinds of answers that would be sending him off on a tangent from what he is doing, disrupting his otherwise laser like focus on the markets.

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        • Formergeek

          Frog my reply was to sethster

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          • moosh

            Lol. You got frogged….

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          • Frog

            Fomerrgeek, oh I understand now, you weren’t addressing OA but addressing Sethster’s comment about a permabull becoming bearish.

            Sorry, hard to keep up with all the replies to replies to replies here on the thread sometimes.

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        • traderconfessions

          Think OA can handle this himself and doesn’t need others chirping in. Like freakin’ high school here at times.

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  8. moosh

    OA, do you have any thoughts on the mj space, tickers or related plays you are in?

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  9. Formergeek

    I was talking to you not OA. Now I see you just don’t comprehend OA’s posts

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  10. moosh

    OA, it seems there should be rotation into value stocks from growth here. Is that your take?

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  11. kidstockibc

    When was the last poll taken? Results?

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  12. kidstockibc

    Started the morning with some UVXY 20.31

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  13. Noni Kavuri

    Asshole $LABU. Unbelievable.

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  14. sethster99

    Bullish reversal in oil. Picked up UWTI

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  15. baba

    $UAL for 55 and above?

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