The fuck is wrong with this dude?
If you enjoy the content at iBankCoin, please follow us on TwitterUpon their son’s death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen’s parents’ home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
Hopefully you don’t have kids.
not a shocker coming from a fanatic member of a cult
Isn’t Catholicism a little mainstream to be called a cult?
since when do higher numbers of (deluded) individuals taking part in unproveable beliefs & rituals (satanic or otherwise) nullify being classified as a cult?
They only make them more powerful, therefore more dangerous.
Juice, prove God doesn’t exist.
Bruce, trying for a late inning grab at “Asshat of the Month” for February?
Try to screw it down, Bruce. You’re throwing stones in a spun-sugar greenhouse, considering your Raelian affinities.
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prove schmegladoodlelargefarian don’t exist
Peace, that is easy enough. My momma always taught me that if a word isn’t in the dictionary, it doesn’t exist!
Where’s my easy button?
Can I prove that an omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal being that exists outside of space and time is a fiction? No.
Can you prove that he/she/it isn’t? No.
But, IMHO, the burden of proof is on you, not me.
I think that the human impulse to believe is more likely an artifact of psychology than of cosmology, and suggest the principle of Occam’s Razor backs me up on that contention.
Highlander, I don’t believe, or rather, I’m agnostic. So there is no burden of proof necessary for me. However, for those like Juice, who call believers “cultists,” the burden exists. And since he cannot disprove the existence of God, the burden is on him to not get involved in the very personal spiritual necessities of said beliefs.
I think many of us who know Juice know that he believes Aliens inhabited the earth and left writings that he is now in possession of. He seriously believes this. However, I don’t see people leaving him disgusting and hurtful comments about this faith of his.
Can I disprove that aliens visited here and left Juice their thoughts? Nope. Therefore I strive to not get involved or pass judgment on something that is obviously very important to him.
god is irrelevant .. the human being solely is responsible for himself and his world … the human being is solely responsible for his errors and learning from them to improve his life & his world … there are no gods, saints, saviors, angels, messengers of these, who are gonna do the learning of ones own mistakes & society’s mistakes, to correct them & set one on the path of progress
There was a discussion on reddit about this. This was one post that explains my viewpoint
http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/o4fgc/rick_santorum_had_a_premature_child_die_after_2/
“I’m pretty sure that it is still calls for the wtf. I mean a loss is a loss, but bringing a dead fetus home is in no way shape or form a reasonable coping mechanism. It shows a severe lack of psychological stability and honestly is quite frighting when put into perspective that he is a major candidate for president. I mean if he can’t handle losing something he never had, what the fuck is he going to do when he’s president. Loss or not this clearly show psychological disorder and i don’t believe your point of “mocking the family” is valid. I didn’t know about this before, this is pertinent information and it should be public knowledge.”
It is a personal topic but, this should not be hidden from the public. This issue has much right to be discussed about because we get to know who he is as a person. Maybe someone takes this positively, and someone takes this negatively. It is news and should not be hidden from the public.
It wasn’t a dead fetus… it was a child that was born and died soon after. For God’s sake, have some empathy.
Barring that, use plenty of contraception.
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Pimp, this issue was thoroughly debated well over a month ago, and resulted in the Santorum’s being apologized to by most of the media that tried to use this against them. I can only imagine you bring this up now to hurt the Santorums, not to engage in any meaningful dialogue.
Mindful presence with a baby’s body is healthy and healing.
Published on January 10, 2012 by Deborah L. Davis, Ph.D. in Laugh, Cry, Live
Perinatal death is in the news again, as people react to the story about Rick and Karen Santorum keeping their dead newborn son with them until he was buried. Once again, there are two opposing camps. On one side are the bereaved families and medical professionals who understand and embrace this behavior; on the other side are those who are uninformed and as a result, question the Santorums’ judgment. This month, my friend, co-author, and frequent conference speaker Amy Kuebelbeck is my guest blogger, shedding light on this foreign terrain and skillfully adding to my efforts to build bridges of understanding and sensitivity.
By Amy Kuebelbeck
Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum and his wife, Karen, have been vilified in recent days for how they handled the death of their premature baby in 1996. Much of the criticism has been uninformed, some of it heartlessly cruel.
According to this 1997 story in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Karen Santorum underwent fetal surgery to try to correct a birth defect in their developing baby. She developed a life-threatening post-surgical infection, which triggered premature labor. Their son, Gabriel, was born too prematurely to survive. He lived for two hours and died in their arms in the middle of the night.
The couple kept Gabriel in their hospital room for the rest of the night and brought his body home the next morning, keeping vigil with their older children until holding a private funeral at home and burial later that day.
Some TV pundits recently opined that spending this time with Gabriel’s body was “crazy” and “weird.” Online commenters piled on, typing snarky comments that were much worse.
They are wrong.
Granted, many Americans are ignorant or squeamish about birth and death. But here are two key facts:
Spending time with a baby’s body after death is normal and healthy, and giving families the opportunity and support to do so if they wish is now the evidence-based medical standard of care. See this position statement from an international collaboration of parent advocacy groups, this information from the Mayo Clinic, or these recommendations from the American Pregnancy Association.
Involving siblings also is considered normal and healthy, even for babies born very prematurely, like the Santorums’ baby. A human being at 20 weeks’ gestation looks remarkably well-developed, just small. Any child born alive is legally considered a baby, not a fetus; all states require the reporting of a live birth at any gestational age. And most expectant parents view their child as a baby, not a clinical “fetus,” whether born alive or not.
Some resistance to the idea of spending time with a baby’s body is rooted in outdated thinking about miscarriage, stillbirth, and infant death. As childbirth became medicalized beginning in the early 20th century, the subject became taboo. In a misguided attempt to protect parents from grief, doctors and nurses typically refused to allow parents to see a baby who was stillborn or dying, and parents were advised to forget about the baby and have another one. The bodies often were buried by the hospital in common graves or disposed of as medical waste. Mothers and fathers were deprived of their only chance to parent their child. Perhaps caregivers meant well, but for many parents this approach caused long-lasting grief and emotional trauma.
Fortunately, beginning in the 1970s, most U.S. hospitals have now adopted more enlightened practices. In part because of the loving work of parent advocates whose profound loss was minimized or ignored in the past, many newly bereaved parents are now encouraged to hold their child’s body and to view that tender act as healthy and natural. They are invited to create memories with their child: to bathe their baby, give their baby a name, and take photographs. (See the work of photographer Todd Hochberg and Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep.) Nurses help parents collect priceless keepsakes such as footprints. The baby’s body is treated with respect, and caregivers acknowledge the parents’ emotional need to affirm their baby’s existence. Organizations such as Share Pregnancy & Infant Loss Support, the Pregnancy Loss and Infant Death Alliance, RTS Bereavement Services of Gundersen Lutheran Medical Foundation, Sands UK, and the MISS Foundation continue to do pioneering work in advocating for parents and providing training for caregivers.
Spending time with the baby’s body at home is less common, at least in the United States. The Santorums were ahead of their time in doing so, thanks to Karen Santorum’s professional experience as a neonatal intensive care nurse, whose job included caring for families experiencing death. In some other cultures, keeping watch over a loved one’s body at home is the norm, and it’s leaving the body alone at a morgue or funeral home that would be considered “crazy” or “weird.” But home funerals and wakes are quietly returning in the U.S., as described in a recent story on National Public Radio. Although legal requirements vary, it is legal in all U.S. states to provide at least some aspect of loved ones’ care after death, according to home funeral advocacy groups.
The logistics are relatively simple for a baby. Our book, A Gift of Time: Continuing Your Pregnancy When Your Baby’s Life Is Expected to Be Brief (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2011), includes poignant stories from several families who brought their babies home, either for a few hours en route from hospital to funeral home or for the entire vigil until the funeral and burial or cremation.
For parents, who have already nurtured their child from conception through birth and death, reclaiming centuries-old traditions of caring for the dead in the intimacy of home can be another meaningful way of caring for their baby. Research has found that bringing the baby’s body home for viewing helped parents with their grief.
Those who can’t imagine doing any of this because they haven’t experienced this heartbreak should count themselves fortunate. Those who have experienced it can imagine it all too well. For those yet to come, because others had the courage and compassion to fight outdated thinking and practices, their profound loss will be just a little easier to bear.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/laugh-cry-live/201201/crazy-perfectly-normal-bereaved-parent-in-defense-rick-and-karen-santorum
Hmm, I never thought about that. Makes sense.
Mayo Clinic:
Create memories of your baby. You may want to name your baby. You may also find comfort in holding a memorial service, personalizing a piece of jewelry, planting a tree or creating another memorial in your baby’s honor. If the loss occurred near the end of your pregnancy, you may want to save an ultrasound picture. You might also ask the hospital staff to make handprints or footprints, or have the baby christened or blessed. You might even swaddle the baby or take photos with him or her.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pregnancy-loss/PR00098/NSECTIONGROUP=2
American Pregnancy Association:
Saying hello, goodbye, and making memories:
After the tests are completed, you will usually have the choice to spend time alone with your baby. You can find comfort in looking at, touching, and talking to your baby. Most parents find it helpful to make memories of this precious time that will last a lifetime. Here are a few ways you can make memories with your baby:
You can give your baby a bath and dress them in a special outfit. Before leaving the hospital you can take the a piece of this clothing to have as a keepsake.
You can take pictures of your baby.
The hospital staff can give you an imprint of handprints and/or footprints.
You may want to take a lock of your baby’s hair.
It may seem odd at first but you can read a story or sing a lullaby to your baby.
If you would like, the nurse can record your baby’s measurements.
You probably have also named your baby by now. Be sure to tell the hospital staff as soon as possible so all documents can have your baby’s name listed.
You can have your baby christened or blessed while in the hospital.
A baptism certificate will also be given to you to keep.
You will be able to spend as much time as you need with your baby, but at some point you will need to say goodbye. This will probably be one of the most challenging things to do because it is so final. Allow yourself to cry; expressing emotion is natural in the grieving process. Having the keepsakes will remind you that a part of your baby will always be with you.
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyloss/sbsurvivingemotionally.html
wood, in chicago,for years and years there was this weekly paper called the “reader”.it was a free publication,and made all it’s revenue from ads.the paper was thicker by 2 times the size of any sunday paper. when this santorum fellow was a senator,this papers’ editorial page was constantly bombarding this guy,on how much he was a nut job.and i mean pound this guy like there was no tomorrow.this going back over 20 some years.i always wondered why, a chicago paper,that was much like how zerohedge is today keep pounding some dude from philly. now lets fast forward 25 plus years,and oh shit, the resurfacing of the “nutjob” story coming forward again. there certainly must be something to this guys,”nutjob” ways,if now it is in the national spot light,no? full circle bro. he wants to reverse roe-vs-wade, fucking come on.
Drummer, I could care less about Santorum. I’m not anything near a social conservative. I want people to leave me and my family the fuck alone. What gets me angry is the hypocrisy of liberalism. Liberalism says, do whatever you want. Have same-sex marriage. Use heroin in the street. Move into someone else’s house and occupy it? Great! 14 and want an abortion without your parent’s permission? Sure! Don’t have enough money? Well let’s take some from some rich dude and give it to you.
But for GAWD’s SAKE, you BETTER NOT FUCKING TAKE YOUR BABY HOME WITH YOU AND GIVE IT A FUCKING FUNERAL OR YOU ARE BATSHIT CRAZY.
Liberalism is an ideology absent of any morals or values except for the one most important value: All moral and values are goalposts to be moved whenever politically expedient.
rofl
As if there were any shortage of hypocrisy evident on either side of the political divide.
Do you really believe this horseshit, or are you just having a bad day?