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Sure, I’ll explain it away. I’ll use good old-fashioned tried-and-true KGB tactics, which work wonderfuly well on poorly educated American minds. Here we go:
You are a crackpot nutter tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy nut if you think there’s a hidden Illuminati/alien agenda to create the perfect race.
That was easy… next!
“Progressives” were in love with Eugenics since the Darwinian era. It was big in lib circles long before it became a larger theme for a less beloved liberal-progressive group — the Munich-based National Socialist Party.
Read up on Margaret Sanger– beloved Saint of the Abortion Clinic. She wanted the black race sterilized, and now her Planned Parenthood clinics carry out her master plan in urban ghettos across the nation. She was a real peach!
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GREENVILLE – Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer has compared giving people government assistance to “feeding stray animals.”
Bauer, who is running for the Republican nomination for governor, made his remarks during a town hall meeting in Fountain Inn that included state lawmakers and about 115 residents.
“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better,” Bauer said.
Read more: http://www.thestate.com/2010/01/23/1123844/bauer-needy-owe-something-back.html#ixzz1dBxpKbfU
Call me when he starts advocating their extermination, like your “Progressive” heroes, Ottster.
Making a statement that subsizing an ill will only exacerbate it is simple logic, not eugenics.
Back to the cell for more talking points, I guess.
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“Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied…”
“The Republican congressional candidate James L Hart has acknowledged that he is an unapologetic supporter of eugenics, the fake science that resulted in thousands of people being sterilised in an attempt to purify the white race.
He believes the country will look “like one big Detroit” – which has a large African-American population – if it doesn’t eliminate welfare payments and immigration. He believes that if blacks were integrated centuries ago, the automobile would never have been invented.
Mr Hart has been said to turn up at voters’ homes wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying a gun, telling them that “white children deserve the same rights as everyone else”.
But, despite his radical views, Mr Hart may end up winning the Republican nomination in a north-western Tennessee district because he is the only Republican candidate on the ballot in tomorrow’s primary.”
“A New York Republican hoping to displace the long-serving Democratic Rep. Nita Lowey will face an increasingly steep climb to electoral victory thanks to a revelation by Politico’s Maggie Haberman, who dug up some of his published works and noted a number of distinctly racist elements in a 2001 piece published by the right-wing Occidental Quarterly.
Jim Russell, who enjoys the support of his state’s Republican Party and conservative establishment, has maintained a strongly anti-immigrant stance in his campaign against Lowey, who defeated him in 2008.
The same could be said of his 2001 essay for Occidental [PDF link], titled “The Western Contribution to World History,” which advises parents to establish “appropriate ethnic boundaries” for their children, and criticizes the film “Save the Last Dance” for depicting an interracial relationship.
He also opined against the racial integration of public schools and praised two individuals for their antisemitic ideas on how to limit the spread of Jews.
Russell even lauded some ideas behind the practice of eugenics, a radical ideology most commonly associated with Germany’s Third Reich which seeks to preserve racial and ethnic purity.”
Sounds like a loser, but then there are plenty of Republicans who have taken up the Socialist cause in other venues, mainly economic.
We call them RINOs, and they are hand in hand with Dems in believing there is some man-made perfectability to the human race.
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“Tuesday, March 15, 2011
BARRINGTON — A local state representative has surrendered his seat following continuing pressure to resign after making inflammatory comments to an agent of a local nonprofit.
…Last week Harty told Sharon Omand, a program manager at Community Partners, which provides behavioral health and developmental services for Strafford County, that he believed in eugenics and disagreed with her about the need for funds for mental health services.
“The world population has gotten too big and the world is being inherited by too many defective people,” he told her.
Omand said she asked him to clarify if he meant mentally ill and developmentally disabled and he responded, “I mean all the defective people, the drug addicts, mentally ill, the retarded — all of them.”
“I asked what we should do with them,” Omand said, and Harty said, “I believe if we had a Siberia we should send them to this and they would all freeze and die and we will be rid of them.””
To be clear, I see no evidence that any major US political party look favorably on eugenics or similar ideas.
There are fringe people who are sympathetic to eugenics, or who use eugenics-related language without awareness that they are doing so, but fringe is fringe.
And mindless partisanship is mindless.
But let’s be clear and — your scouring the web for crackpot stories aside– intellectually honest. There are two distinctive political ideas at work here, and I can point to the champions among mine and those held revered (to this day! George B Shaw, Margaret Sanger, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Woodrow Wilson for goodness sakes!) among yours, and we can decide who has historically held human physical manipulation as a Right of the State.
Let’s face it, “The Progressives” from their advent in the early 19th century (as offshoots of the French Jacobins) believe in state-driven control of the populace and Conservatives (from Adams, Locke and Burke) onward have believed in freedom from the State…
The reason is “perfectability.” The Progs believe in it, and the Conservatives have accepted that it’s impossible in this life. and in the end, immoral and disrespectful of human rights.
What the Progs have accepted, and why their way ALWAYS leads to enslavement*, is that the only way to get to “perfectability” of the human race is to withhold the freedom from the populace “For their own good.”
In the past, that meant sterilization and eventually, mass murder, depending on the brutality of the measures employed.
Today it means, “you must buy this health insurance or be fined or receive jail time.”
It means “I’m taking your property because U-Mart can pay higher taxes for it.”
It means, “I am taking your earnings, because I’m a better judge of your ability to distribute your funds for the good of society.”
Would you argue these are the aims of the Progressive State? Do you not see these actions at work in your own California — bankruptcy be damned?
The question one must ask is where will it end? When will seemingly intelligent people stop supporting such suicidal behavior?
(Hoping for more than Google searches and talking points in response this time.)
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* And no, “enslavement” is not too heady a term. The nature of Progressivism, historically speaking, is that it is dependent on large bureaucracies to carry out it’s dictates. Bureaucracies, in turn, become self-perpetuating life forms whose sole function is continued growth (c.f., Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureacracy), and whose absorption of societal resources soon ensures the economic enslavement of the populace and/or the demise of the society (c.f., Europe in decline).
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RE: Eugenics and progressives
Checking my calendar for the current century…
RE: The construction of large strawmen
After you build one, double your fun by setting it on fire. They burn quickly, though, so have your marshmallows ready.
RE: Continuing discussions with a mindless partisan.
Mindless! What was I [not] thinking?
I guess I was giving you too much credit in the intelligent discussion category.
As for alleged straw men, the Eugenics topic was the topic of the post. Further, it’s not only a historically Leftist “Progressive” concept (albeit more popular 80 years ago than now), but an excellent example of the dangerous progression (forgive me) of Progressivism — that track being the use of State control to effect (always a current) means of societal perfectability.
That’s a strawman? The current examples I provided (that are from last year, not last century) are “straw man” examples?
Noted — intellectual discussion does entail a proper grasp of rhetorical terminology.
I understand if you’ve got nothing, but I’d rather you just retreat rather than resort to further obfuscatory (and embarrassing) tactics.
And please spare me the holier than thoug bullshit me about “partisanship” as you’ve had no problem with revealing your leanings here. At least half of the time I talk about stocks. You are here to vomit the Josh Micah Marshall line just about 100% of the time.
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“an excellent example of the dangerous progression (forgive me) of Progressivism”
No, Jake. Ideas discarded long ago are not an example of where progress is leading.
“I guess I was giving you too much credit in the intelligent discussion category.”
It is not intelligent to hold a discussion with someone who has predefined the terms in a manner that ranges from outdated to downright kooky, and who then must make heroic leaps of logic to make the definition fit current events. One specific example of the bogus definitions and logical leaps your claim that progressives believe in perfectability and that requiring health insurance is a current expression of that belief in perfectability.
If it requires a trip back to the 19th century to try to pull it all together, I’d suggest that there is a good reason it requires such an effort.
Done here. Will pop up somewhere else later.