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The March Of War

Timidity begets aggression.

There are two primary takeaways over this weekend.

The first takeaway is, everything you have ever been told about empathy and compassion leading to a more peaceful world is a complete crock of shit. Six years into this nonsense, if anyone following this code still believes in it, do us all a favor and off yourself.

At this stage, we aren’t even “uninvolved”; but our prior actions were so discrediting, it’s going to take a discontinuous push to shock people back into order. The cost to us, whether we embrace the challenge or give up, will be great either way.

I can appreciate the desire to keep US lives out of harms way, but on the other side, those few thousand volunteers who tragically lost their lives were keeping at bay something much worse. They were heroes and deserve the designation.

And past the immediate body count, tell me: what do you suppose the long term cost will be to having such an important piece on the board like NATO getting publicly emasculated in front of an audience of seven billion people?

What do you suppose the cost to peace will be when no one is left who trusts NATO’s guarantee of defense to allies and members? Russia is targeting this covenant on purpose.

The second takeaway is, despite the USA cutting our own balls off, people are still very afraid of us. Why else would so many plans be put into motion in the middle of a US holiday weekend, when our citizens are distracted? US public opinion can still turn the tide, but only if we can shake this internal depression that has crippled us into a state of sloth.

Watching Russia casually declare that neighboring countries were never really countries at all, as they roll back the clock manually with tanks; I can’t help but worry about where this takes us. I very much do not want the USSR reincarnating itself – the Russians are dicks and deserve to be treated as such. I’ll treat them with respect when they craft a form of government not predicated on keeping an iron toed boot on their people’s throats.

Too many hardliner nationalists in Russia seem to feel it is their God given right to create terrifying empires that lay waste to entire continents; as if this is somehow a privilege for the rest of us.

The place that should be most up in arms about this – Europe – has so far more or less lain down and is waiting to be dominated. The Europeans have spent the past fifty or so years fattening up, condemning self-defense, dismantling their armies, building a state of submissiveness. They’ve put social concerns like personal health & safety or identity politics before national security, eroding their own identities in the process. Now, no one will be safe.

Before this is over, I won’t be surprised if all of Europe is faced with a terrible choice of throwing off the safety nets, or being ensnared by them. Re-militarizing will put a strain on state programs. It will be very hard and painful; rediscovering one’s spine.

The only bright light is that much of the damage here is reversible. Not that this is any comfort to you if you’re under the curtain. But the places causing the most trouble are also the least self-sufficient and most prone to terrible accidents. I have trouble seeing Putin succeed for very long; his country’s legacy was assembled from the willing, back when the ideal of communism was embraced by millions. It collapsed in disillusionment. He’s trying to reassemble the unwilling with violence. That is a sure recipe for rot.

But why should this be happening now at all? If not for the weakness of wannabe leaders, it wouldn’t be. They threw away a century of hard fought gains, for ridiculous, self-righteous reasons.

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13 comments

  1. ironbird

    “Volunteers”. That is a loose statement. Those 18 year old kids that get prison or service are “volunteers” no doubt.

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  2. juice

    Yo! … channeling some Dick-less Cheney, are we?

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  3. TJWP

    Other than on behalf of some Qutar Shek what exactly is the interests of the United States in Ukraine? Where do you get off suggesting your intervention is benign and beneficial but any other country that intervines in another’s affairs must be doing it for nerfarious purposes?

    Perhaps you would like to note that Russia is the ONLY country still pushing for investigation into the plane that was shot down, and the only country reporting the humanitarian catastrophy in the East currently?

    I normally have great respect for your opinions, but this one seems poorly thought out. You haven’t even bothered to explain why it is in your (America’s, or Europes) interest to do anything about Ukraine other than your cold war “It will embolden Russia” which overlooks the fact that NATO agreed to not expand Eastwards and that is ALL the alliance has done since inception. Jeeeee, I wonder why the Russians feel threatened.

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    • TJWP

      Please note, retired members of your own intelligence communities are telling Germany that America’s position on Ukraine is complete horse shit and made up – http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      Russia is pushing for an investigation because they are guilty as all hell. No one else is because there’s no need.

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      • TJWP

        If they are guilty why is there no actual evidence, and why haven’t the conversations with flight control resurfaced after being dissapeared by the government of Ukraine???

        I mean sure, if we are just playing the assertion game… lool

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        • Mr. Cain Thaler

          You need to lay off the Zerohedge, man.

          Tyler went from insinuating that the jet had no business being anywhere near the Ukraine, to backpedaling furiously when he learned about geodesics exerting influence on a flat projection map and suggesting a few hundred mile deviation in an air path was out of the ordinary, to finally giving up and saying the Ukrainians just shot it down themselves.

          Meanwhile, Russia’s boys went from claiming the kill, to whitewashing everything, to claiming the Ukrainians did it.

          I don’t know (or care) if Ukraine is holding onto flight control black boxes. What exactly are you going to find in them? Audiotape of Ukrainian military types ordering the strike?

          You’re going to find that Ukrainian radar picks up about the same as any other radar, and that maybe some low level official (underpaid) said on record he didn’t give a rats ass if a Malaysian airliner wanted to milk their profit margin by being cheap and flying over a war zone.

          Then there’s just the sheer number of planes the Russian soldiers are shooting down in the first place – anything that flies gets shot at.

          https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+planes+shot+down+by+Ukrainian+rebels+this+year&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      Wait, why should the Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO if they want to? It seems to be a pretty popular choice.

      Particularly if you’re a Georgia rather than a Russia.

      If Ukraine wants to associate with the West, that’s their right. And if Russia decides to go to war with a country actively trying to join NATO, that’s very much the US’ concern.

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      • TJWP

        So overlooking the fact that the US instituted a regime change because it did not like the Russian friendly (but democratically elected) government of the Ukraine we still have:

        The fact that the founding documents of NATO explicitly state no Eastward expansion by the alliance. Does that answer your question as to why Russia may think it is entitled to a say here?

        In addition to which, putting yourself in their shoes, the USA is actively trying to destabilize regimes friendly to Russia and moving military bases ever closer to their boarders….. what would YOU do?

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        • Mr. Cain Thaler

          “The fact that the founding documents of NATO explicitly state no Eastward expansion by the alliance.”

          Wait, sorry, what?

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          • TJWP

            Was that unclear? Now you can dicker over what permanent means, but the bottom line is you would have to be retarded to be Russia and not view NATO as a threat with the retards you have at the helm:

            “NATO reiterates that in the current and foreseeable security environment, the Alliance will carry out its collective defence and other missions by ensuring the necessary interoperability, integration, and capability for reinforcement rather than by additional permanent stationing of substantial combat forces.”

            Source – http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_25468.htm

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      • ottnott

        “Wait, why should the Ukraine not be allowed to join NATO if they want to? It seems to be a pretty popular choice.”

        It isn’t popular with the Western European members of NATO.

        There are full-blown NATO members who fall under the mutual defense pact, and there are “partners” including Ukraine, that do not. That is an extremely important distinction that makes expansion of membership a very serious issue.

        A NATO with Ukraine as a member would basically surround Moscow on the West and South. Russia would very much like to prevent that. Putin is reminding the NATO members just how important the matter is to Russia and how messy things could get if Ukraine is given membership.

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  4. juice

    Damn, no reason to go to war now! Fuck me .. that would have been just the best thing ever!

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/russia-says-u-s-europe-incite-party-of-war-in-ukraine.html

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