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Your One And Only Warning Concerning Bitcoins

Sipping on the edge of the liquid pooled in this glass, my eyes slip out of focus. And as the 9th floor fades from view, an unclear image is left. It is a premonition – perhaps call it instinct – of what is going to happen if bitcoins continue to gain popularity.

I should say that I see only one way this prevision does not come to pass; if the bitcoin was created by the US government, for some probably lunatic reason, like social experimentation, or beta testing taking the dollar virtual.

Shy of that, those of you buying these little wayward programs are pretty screwed.

I will remind you:

March 18, 2011

STATESVILLE, NC—Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of making, possessing, and selling his own coins, announced Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina. Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation, von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current money; and of conspiracy against the United States.

This is what is waiting for you at the end of that tunnel. Whoever the central players are in this game, when the FBI finally becomes aware of it, you are lamb fodder.

Von NotHaus, who remains free on bond, faces a sentence of up to 15 years’ imprisonment on count two of the indictment and a fine of not more than $250,000. Von NotHaus faces a prison sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both counts one and three. In addition, the United States is seeking the forfeiture of approximately 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metals, currently valued at nearly $7 million. The forfeiture trial, which began today before United States District Court Judge Richard Voorhees, will resume on April 4, 2011 in the federal courthouse in Statesville. Judge Voorhees has not yet set a date for the sentencing of von NotHaus.

Do you think the US government is going to play fair with you? That they’ll just sit by and watch as you play games with their status as the global reserve currency, all because you started doing the same thing with some MP3 files back in the 90’s?

Think again, friend.

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict

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I will provide some background here for those of you who aren’t familiar with me. I am not a government advocate, nor do I particularly like that the US political system has control of something as important as the measurement stick of over half of all financial transactions occurring on planet Earth.

I especially dislike that this position allows clowns-in-suits like US Congressmen, government agency employees, State officials, municipalities, banks, people in unique positions of influence, friends of the aforementioned, random con artists,….a half dozen others…to engage in the wildest stupidities at the fringe of their imaginations without immediate and dire consequences.

And I don’t exactly respect the government for its ability to pass, implement, and enforce laws. In fact, I generally get a kick out of most non-violent, non-harmful crime. Example: a guy who owns a fully automatic weapon and regularly posts videos of himself shooting it online.

Hilarious. No one gets hurt. It’s in mock contempt of a half dozen laws. And there’s nothing the government can do about it. Tracking him down would be prohibitively expensive, especially considering that he isn’t actually doing anything.

Another example: buzz sawing cattails. Know what cattails are? Weeds, mostly. But they are apparently sacred weeds, as cutting them down gets the DNR and EPA driving 3 year prison sentencing down your throat if they catch you. Amazingly, that never really stops anyone.

But just because the US government is totally inept at catching most forms of “crime” (and equally bad at conveying what constitutes legitimate need for criminal statuses in the first place…), that shouldn’t trick you into thinking you can get away with anything.

In fact, the US government is an enormous trillion dollar organization, and that’s quite a bit of firepower to have coming your way if you happen to be doing one of the things the government absolutely-will-not-tolerate you doing.

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Now that I’ve explained that, let me point out why bitcoin is such a serious threat to the US government.

First, the US government is completely reliant on its status as the global reserve currency to fund its deficit. Any assault to that status is an immediate game changer as it is, as it would force the US to spend within tax receipts, or else suffer real, actual consequences.

We get away with printing because it all ends up over seas, in accounts, or traded for bonds.

Second, because of the peer to peer method, if left unattended, tax receipts along with most trade reporting would drop off the map. Not from corporations. The US can steel fist corporations into staying above ground because their assets are holed up in the financial system and the half dozen major banks left in operation. But definitely bitcoin has serious risks to the ability of the US to collect taxes and track spending. Think Canada black market on crack. People show what they’re doing just enough to qualify for healthcare, then back under the surface.

Thus, after losing the ability to print money or borrow indefinitely, the governments ability to collect from their citizens would also be hindered.

And finally, because it undermines the ability of government to track behavior.

Think about how much time is spent by groups like the Fed maintaining huge data collections about what people are up to. They don’t do that for sport. They do that because it lets government plan ahead about how to position themselves. Does the country need more agriculture? More oil? Are people hoarding gold, electronics, food staples, clothing? Is there trouble brewing?

These measures don’t just provide wealth to people sitting somewhere in an agency. They also give a heads up to stewing problems. They provide a knowledge base to gain an edge. The feds have spent the last decade tightening down the financial system for a reason – we’re now at the point where we can track rogue money orders and stamp out terrorist cells trying to collect. That’s not easy, and it’s not possible without a centralized financial system.

Bitcoin hits each of these three sore points, so I can guarantee you if it keeps gaining in popularity, then the FBI will crack down, and do so ruthlessly hard.

So how?

Well, I could see three basic steps being taken to crush this if it keeps getting out of control. They are extreme, and sound fanciful, and most of you will say “no way”. And that’s why I’m worried about them.

1) no more free and open internet. You think the Federal government cares about maintaining a free and open internet? They don’t care. They maintain it that way right now because it doesn’t exactly hinder them and because it’s a politically sensitive subject. In fact, the free and open internet structure we have has proven wonderful adept at striking down our enemies. Because generally speaking, the US political system is still way better than any of the alternatives. Because our leaders just steal a bunch, and lie. They don’t kill a few thousand people when they get caught doing it. And you’re still mostly free to go about your lives.

Plenty of you mistake the government adherence to an open internet platform as meaning they can’t pull it off. And they probably can’t, not totally. Public employees aren’t that good. But much of their reluctance to try has more to do with the tradeoff gain/loss dilemma than them actually not being able to police the internet.

Let’s say some guy steals a hundred dollars worth of media on the internet. Great. So you bust him and fine him and throw him in jail, or just generally set about getting him fired. Now tell me, how much has the government lost in tax receipts from him? How much did they lose setting up the agency in the first place?

But bitcoin takes it all a step further and challenges the ability of the US government to even exist. You hit that level, and the internet will be put on lockdown. With lots of babysitters looking for “sharing”. And maybe not everyone gets caught. But plenty do.

2) Bitcoins declared illegal, with steep punishments for trading them. Now, bitcoin is nothing but a managed exchange system. The programs you’re moving around have no intrinsic value. Few people trade them. It’s all about the accounting mechanisms, the way the purses talk to the system to make sure fake coins aren’t entering circulation, and the fact that (allegedly) someone out there can’t produce a lot more of them.

What are these things worth if you can’t move them? If the government cracked down on silver or gold, I could bunker them for a while, and still know they’ll be there when I get back. Maybe the value will have changed, or the risks, but it’s not like suddenly my ounces will change measurement. What’s a computer program generated by a complicated algorithm worth if the entire underpinning promise – free peer to peer trading – is taken offline for a few weeks or months?

Again, the US has no chance of rounding them all up. But there are things they can do, like…

3) task force created to find and destroy all bitcoin users. There’s allegedly $1 billion worth of bitcoins out there right now. What would I do if I was charged with crushing this thing?

Well, I would take a few billion dollars (a pittance of the US budget), and I would seed it into a few thousand accounts. And then I would get a few thousand agents together, and go out and start trading these things for whatever you lot are buying with them. And I would track you. And I would use the Patriot Act to do it no questions asked. Because as our good friend US Attorney Tompkins said, “you are the scum of the Earth, and have conveniently ceded your rights as a US citizen.” And once I mapped out pretty well who the major players are, I would pick perhaps the top 25th percentile of you – the millionaires – and I would utterly destroy every fabric of your lives, very publicly.

And bitcoin would probably not survive the event.

This is more or less what the founder of bitcoin was afraid of, and eluded to, before he fled and covered his tracks with his anonymity. It’s a shame it is going to play out like this. He seems like a brilliant chap, and I appreciate that. And I wish we lived in a world where these very capitalist, very libertarian ideals of free trade, honesty, and liberty to live out your life without being conscripted to death-by-a-thousand-causes was possible.

But we don’t live in that world. We live in this one; where this clever little open source project threatens the bread and butter of a group of people that you couldn’t pay me to drop my guard around. So the founder and intellectual father of bitcoin escaped. But if you’re going fully dedicated to this thing (and not just laundering money out of the EU), then I can say I see only dark and painful, life ending-equivalence lurking for you on the horizon.

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13 comments

  1. MX2101

    Excellent piece, Mr. Thaler. As always, thank you for being here.

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  2. UnderValuedAssets
    UnderValuedAssets

    Great Post, Thanks!

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  3. drummerboy

    cain,this guy escaped nothing. bitcoin is not a threat to our dollar.it’s a perceived threat. everything the net does is for convenience.some one coming out with some sort of medium of exchange for total use on the net only is a delusion. and so is the guy who just today on cbnshit put into motion the first atm for bit coins. in your list of distinction of bit coin,you failed to ask,what is this “bit coin” backed by,if in fact it is transferable into use.what,the good faith of the “internet”. REALLY. at least the usd is backed.by the full faith and credit of the debt slaves of america.christ.it’s inventor even says that only 21 millions coins will ever be mined. if this shits real,then i’m here to tell ya that gold is worth 10k……… 21 million bit coins for theWORLD WIDE WEB you’d need 310million pennies for everyone in america to have just one…….. roflmamo fucking idiots serious about a “fuckin beenie baby” trend happinin on the net,hey sheeple…..wtf

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler
      Mr. Cain Thaler

      Not to mention, what happens the first time you get screwed over by a counterparty. Not much recourse from consumer protection acts in courts, if you’re using an illegal currency trying to skip out on taxes….

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  4. Ultramarine

    Excellent work, Mr. Thaler. I agree with all your points and those I had not thought about.

    I imagine your article will make it over to some of the bitcoin enthusiast sites for any debates on the subject (due to it’s quality, of course).

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  5. BathSaltTrader

    Another excellent read Mr. Thaler. Thought-provoking, as always

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  6. DJMarcus

    Interesting post, as always…

    On another note, what do you think of RGR here?

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler

      I love it, but won’t be buying any yet. I hate the broader market, and want to see real blood before I move in.

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  7. siege engine

    Sounds like you missed out on a quite legal – trade. Had you bought on the the Cyprus news, you’d be sitting on a 100% gain.
    The US gov may declare them illegal at some point, but everyone else in the world would not stop using them. People in Argentina, Cyprus, etc are using them to ship their money out of their countries, capital controls or not.
    You’re right they’d have to shut down the US internet to curtail use. Does Heil O, have that much power? Maybe
    21 millions coins can be cut into bits, so that statment is not correct. Bitcoin Ver1 may not last. But like the Chinese strategy “we have more people than you have bullets’; in the digital age, there’s plenty more where that came from. And what if China and Russia backed a BitCoin v3 with gold? What’s Ben gonna do about that?

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    • Mr. Cain Thaler
      Mr. Cain Thaler

      You really wouldn’t have to shut down the Internet to curtail use. You’d only need to set up checkpoints. And bitcoin being anonymous doesn’t help you if that money order you just placed for dollars is being monitored by the fed.

      There are lots of ways to make 100% returns quick. Go sell coke. The Feds will probably go easier on you then when they deem this game a threat-in-infancy and start killing it

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      • siege engine

        “There are lots of ways to make 100% returns quick.”
        What other ways are there are to make a quick 100%? (I am not a legal expert, but I heard that selling coke may be illegal here.) I’m ready to take notes.
        Today there are many local currencies in use in the US. They’ve been in use for many years. Are they illegal? Are bitcoins illegal to use in the US? Link please. Is bitcoin a US currency? Is it illegal to sell your car for euros? Has that been outlawed?
        http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/bitcoin-prices-blast-100-driving-speculators-wild-150415225.html

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        • Mr. Cain Thaler
          Mr. Cain Thaler

          “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict

          I am also not a legal expert. But when this is the mindset of the people who can command armed police to break into your home in the middle of the night, it’s probably wise to rethink your course of action.

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          • drummerboy

            dont people ALREADY realize that the green back IS digital as well. electronic transfer anyone? your access to all your accounts and transfers through all your all dummy phones? aninimity.PHUCKING PUHHLLEASE. who gives a shit.you have it,or you don’t. plane and simple. and it’s known, by all who needs to know whether we like it or not.

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