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The Story of Maximum Boom-Boom

A few years ago, I took a trip out to Los Angeles and found myself sitting in the best poker game I have ever seen, to this day. I was playing $100/$200 limit Texas Hold ‘Em at the Commerce Casino. To a person, the table was full of players not just playing every single hand they were dealt, but raising and re-raising with them on every single betting round.  Needless to say, they were playing very “loose,” and very aggressive.  In a full game (9-10 players) of limit Texas Hold ’em, very few starting hands show a large enough profit over the long run to justify playing very many of them.  You should be folding most of the hands that you are dealt before seeing the first three community cards.  The correct strategy is to be “tight” by only playing the best starting hands (pocket aces, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, Ace King suited, etc.) yet also very aggressive when you are finally dealt them.  Generally speaking, you want to be patient and then raise and re raise with big pairs, and big suited hands. Of course, you will play other hands, but only in select situations.

For the first few hours that I sat at the table, I felt like it was correct to fold every single hand that I was dealt. When the game you are sitting in is very aggressive, you should be playing even tighter than usual, as the variance–or volatility–of the size of the pots and your own price swings are exacerbated.  Beyond that strategy, however, I was so-called “card dead,” as I was consistently looking down at hands like 2-8 off suit. Because of how loose all of the other players were, it made absolutely no sense to try to bluff them with my horrendous cards, since they would not be folding.

Naturally, the players around me were oblivious to my absence from participation, as they were either drunk or in some euphoric state of degenerate gambling nirvana. At the risk of stereotyping, in poker you want to sit at tables with women and men wearing flashy jewelry.  You want to sit in games where people are boisterous, emotional and loud.  If they are drinking alcohol and/or have been playing for hours or days on end, all the better. You want to play with people who are having fun gambling, without too much regard for the math involved.

About two and half hours into my playing session, I looked down at the Ace of spades and the Ace of clubs.  I raised and got raised three more times to cap the betting action before we even saw the “flop” (first three community cards).  No one folded.  It was all nine of us in the pot for $3600 before the we even saw the flop! The flop came down 2-2-7, all of different suits. Understand that this one of, if not the, very best flops you can see when you are holding A-A in a wild game. I raised and re raised my hand until the betting action was capped.  No one folded.  The next card was a 6.  I bet, a middle aged Asian gentleman raised me and, surprisingly, everyone else folded.  I re raised, as I could beat many hands in this situation.  However, he kept raising me back until I just called. The last card was a 3.  There were no flush possibilities on the board.  I bet, and he raised again. So, I just called.  The Asian man turned over 4-5 for an unlikely straight, which he had caught perfectly on the fourth and fifth cards.

As he raked in the massive pot, he gave me a playful smile and screamed “maximum boom-boom!” in a thick Chinese accent, while pointing to my second-place pocket aces.  He had been screaming that little phrase after each big pot he won. I said “nice hand, sir,” while my stomach did a few somersaults.

I took a break and walked away from the table for a minute to collect my thoughts.  Should I leave the game? Well, I ran through a checklist of questions that I ask myself when considering whether to pick up my chips and leave.

How well was I playing?

I was playing very well, and  I was not tired nor making emotional decisions.

How good was the game in terms of potential profitability?

It was a great game with loose and careless players playing very poorly despite their aggression.

Before I asked myself any other questions, I knew I had to return to the game, so long as I did not surpass my stop loss. I noticed several of the regular, winning players were on the waiting list and looking eager to get into the game. Indeed, it was a great game.

A few more hours went by, and I was losing about $2,700.  Normally, if I lost my initial buy-in ($5,000), I would get up and leave, as a stop-loss. The casino would always be open, and I could come back the next day and start fresh.  A few of the crazy players were getting lucky, including Mr. Maximum Boom-Boom, and many of them were simply passing their money back and forth to each other with each crazy hand.

I wish I could give you a rousing finale to the story. But, there wasn’t.  I got dealt a few more quality starting hands and lost the hands, along with my buy-in.  I could have easily bought back into the game for another $5,000, but I knew I would be digging myself a deeper hole in the face of a wild game, with wild swings.  So, I stood up and I left the game.  The next few days on my trip I gradually won back the money I had lost. The games were tougher and not as juicy, so it was a slow grind trying to win.  It truly was an elevator down, stairs back up type of situation.

Despite the fact that I knew I was playing my cards in a way that was profitable over the long term, that night I had to respect the fact that short term luck can have a surprisingly heavy influence on any one poker game.

As much as I wanted to take the otherwise pleasant and funny Asian man’s money, to let my ego get involved would likely have been a costly mistake given the short term luck he was having, compared to mine.  It also occurred to me how ironic his little catch phrase was, as without any kind of stop-loss, you are destined to experience a maximum boom boom, in terms of your downside risk.  Just as in the stock market, your poker losses can mount up very quickly.

Despite the money that I lost, walking away from that juicy, stellar game remains one of the best decisions that I have made and am proud of.  Of course, I could have gone on winning streak and won tons of money that night. But, that misses the point.

As a serious stock trader, and a serious poker player, you are constantly trying to fight and minimize the luck that is involved, not embrace it. Luck is the ephemeral friend of amateurs.  If you find yourself in exceptionally volatile situations, of course you can gamble it up all you want. But that’s not the risk/reward profile you should be looking for as a serious trader.

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In the current stock market in which we reside, many traders are disrespecting the short term luck involved.  Perhaps buying falling knives right now like $RIG, $BP and $APC will show a huge profit over the long run.  However, what usually happens is traders try to precisely time an inflection point, only to lose a quick 20% and sell out of their positions.  They sell out of both frustration of quickly losing money, and fear that their doomed stock will soon go to $0.

My point is that you always need to have an exit strategy in mind for any position that you take. Even if you do not place a specific stop loss, you should mentally have a price target in mind where you are explicitly prepared to admit that you are wrong and have made a mistake.  Note that this applies to long term investors as well, even if they had previously averaged down in a position.  At some point, you will be wrong.  Limiting further downside risk is an ever present issue in the stock market, if you want to live to fight another day.

Take, for example, the bulls who bought last Thursday’s 3% rally. We have now closed below where we were before that day started. Are they going to admit they were wrong if we keep seeing more selling? Each and every rally attempt we are seeing is being met with distribution.  I am going to respect that fact and, despite any oversold conditions, will sit in cash for now until I see a better environment to trade.

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32 comments

  1. richard

    wise moves on both the game and the current market…

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  2. sssc

    great write-up here, pro!

    ty

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  3. duck you

    Nicely told.

    I was going to ask which Asian ethnicity was getting lucky at the table you were at… they like to play as if it is 0.25/0.50 internet poker game no matter the blinds

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    • chessnwine

      He was Chinese. Just like with every other nationality there are crazy and sane ones. But the way he said “maximum boom boom” was hilarious.

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  4. islamicexorcist
    islamicexorcist

    I highly respect you stock market charting/analysis but in response to the mad chinese hatters poker game I have an idea what occurred because i have insane idiots like this one generation before me who played straight poker similar to this.

    They were good actors to begin with, but the few very good players never looked at the hole cards dealt them UNTIL the others players were dealt theirs and made an assessment after viewing the same.

    This accounts for all the loud chaos intentionally induced as distraction to conceal the fact they are looking at you reactions to your cards in order to calculate odds then on theirs. Also dont discount shills involved possibly to add to that.

    So you were an easy read because first you were not betting wildly this set you up when you finally did. Then China comes along and he knows what you have so he figures its even bet why not hang in now that the others dropped out he may have had your number as well as teh other players who wanted you out for teh reason you werent not playing sitting back for a big elephant kill.

    Same thing in markets- gaming theory- the table became one mind and decided to take you out by folding knowing China had a possible. the table turned on you type of unseen phenomenon.

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    • alf44

      If you look around the table … and can’t spot the sucker … it’s you !!!
      .

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    • chessnwine

      islamicexorcist: I hear what you are saying. My post was pretty much a Cliff’s Notes version of all the thinking and strategy that goes into a poker game for me. I was trying to illustrate risk management and other crossover principles that relate to trading. I know you know what I am saying. I would be happy to talk more about poker in depth. For now, I will say that–despite them folding on the turn in that hand-the game conditions were as crazy as I have ever seen it for that size of a game.

      Thanks for the compliments and for reading.

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  5. Rand

    I remember in my youth, i was in a cat house in mexico. And there was a guy hollering something along those lines every time he went to the back. Got so un-nerving that the crowd would shout back, “go bite yourself”. I swear it was one of the weirdest time i ever had in mexico.

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  6. Dave

    That was a great story Chess!

    Keep up the great work and write ups.. Love reading your stuff.

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  7. Imster

    Great post!

    Can I ask why you are simply waiting to go long, instead of playing any short or VXX?

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    • chessnwine

      Thanks for reading.

      I was looking for a better entry point to short. I was being too picky. I thought we could have a weak bounce to 1125 or so, where I would short.

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    • alf44

      In The Land Of The Blind … The One Eyed Man Is King !!!

      —–

      … the $SPX (S&P) is down over a 150 pts. since the April HIGH …

      … the $INDU (DOW 30) is down over 1240 pts since the April HIGH …

      … the $COMPX (NAZ 100) is down over 300 pts since the April HIGH …

      … the $NYA (NYSE COMP) is down over 1080 pts since the April HIGH …

      … et al …

      —–

      FURTHER … ALL Major Indices ARE … and HAVE BEEN … trading UNDER their respective 30 week EMAs (ie. 150 day EMAs) … for some days now ! fwiw

      I am sure you know this !!!

      At what point … do you SHIT … OR, GIT OFF THA POT ?

      Just Curious !!! tia

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      • alf44

        … correction …

        … the $COMPX (NAZ COMP …not …NAZ 100) is down over 300 pts since the April HIGH …

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        • Ilikedots

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  8. Phil poker

    Nice choice… Walk away. Never know when you are blinded by your own delusions, or are actually being cheated. get used to making conscious choices as opposed to compulsive ones, which is the source of addiction.

    If you’re losing, it’s okay to be a little superstious and walk away even when game seems easy. Allows you the habit of not letting ego get in the way as well as avoiding some weird collusion or base dealing occurance that doesn’t usually happen, but when it does they will continue to take you as you continue to think they are playing bad.

    As far as I hear LA is full of hyperaggressive players always trying to push each other out of hands. Because of the wildness, it makes sense to lower the stakes from the getgo. Could say the same about stocks. When Volitility is up, lower the position size in trades.

    I’m not sure about long term investors having a stoploss neccesarily. 7-10 year investment? I mean if you lok at coca-cola’s history, there was a point when it was down over 50% in the early 1900s. If you owned a single share at $40 and then it went to $20 and you sold then, you would have lost over 5 million dollars in opportunity costs. If the company is still going to be around, why shold you get out? If the business remains sound hold it forever. If you are long term, it only makes sense to buy a business at a more affordable price. A supermarket of stocks means you need to buy more when it’s on sale, even if it ends up going on sale next week.

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    • chessnwine

      Thanks Phil—both for reading and the thoughtful response.

      I am inclined to agree with you about a stock like KO. However, you know as well as I do than not many people have the same discipline as Warren Buffett to hold indefinitely. They usually get scared out at the bottom. So, all I am saying is they would be better off selling well in advance of the bottom before a true panic sets in with a sensible stop loss. But, point taken.

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  9. checkersNbeer

    very nice…i like!

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  10. cebu sun

    Chess,
    I have read a lot lately of the fuckery going on as MMs can see your stop limits and go get em. Thus forcing your loss, and buying low for the melt up they manufacture. A few pundits go so far as to sayno more stop loss/limits is theanswer to getting forced out before runups. I’m interested on your takes on the pros n cons of stops.

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    • chessnwine

      You are correct to point that out. The flash crash showed the danger of using deep out of the money stops. I think it should be a moving target. I am always thinking 7-8% is where I am ready to declare I was wrong and cut my losses.

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  11. Benjamin

    Hey Chess-
    good post. There are definitely a lot of parallels between poker and trading. As a poker pro myself I’m curious about your poker background. Did you play for a living or just clean up at the Commerce on the side? Which is a better job in your opinion, poker or trading?

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  12. Skeptical

    great stuff again.

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  13. TheMarketAce

    Sounds like I need to take a break from the Borgata and make a trip to Commerce casino…..I love players who raise the turn with 4-outers, and then hit.

    “Maximum Boom Boom” lol

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  14. Subcomondante Braveflaps
    Subcomondante Braveflaps

    Very well written post! Braveflaps does not condone any illicit behaviour but has heard that the hookers at and around the Commerce are selling at 60% off their highs, as many are gushing uncontrollably on account of ruptured pipes and exploded drilling platforms.

    Beware!!

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  15. Jakegint

    “Maximum Boom Boom!” — that’s awesome. Needs to be a recurring theme.

    Do you take sentiment indicators into account? We’ve got massively over-bearish (not just the Fly) on our radar now.

    _____

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    • chessnwine

      Yeah for sure, the negative sentiment is one reason I have preferred cash to shorting. At this point I would hope for a crash to buy the blood, or an exuberant bounce to put on shorts. But this chop kind of sucks right now. Summer trading, I suppose.

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  16. JimH

    Excellent, thought-provoking post, sir! Thx!
    From one ‘chart-chomping jackass’ to any others, I see TA as a quickie trend indicator/confirmer and a tool for getting a snapshot of market psychology… NOT as a crystal ball. Sometimes extremist chartists do tend to forget that it is price action that moves the charts and not the charts that dictate price action!
    I want to take a bite on the long side here, but will let discipline override conviction!
    Hope that the Fly has taken his meds and is back in therapy…

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