iBankCoin
Recovering Large Cap Growth PM. How I invest my own money is nothing like how I had to play the insane benchmark game.
Joined May 7, 2014
165 Blog Posts

BOUNCE?

The big question on everyone’s mind is when is the bounce?  I think we may have seen the start of it today with the reversal.  The IWM has outperformed three days in a row, we are due for a trading cycle low, and everyone’s special oscillators are showing positive divergences.  I don’t think we are crashing from this point.  I may be wrong and we crash or maybe we extend lower over a few more days.  However, I have studied crashes and you always get a multiple day bounce (5-10 trading days) that fails before you get a crash.  I have never seen an inverted v shaped top in stock markets.  I am expecting a bounce of more than a day or two this time around.  This market has been straight down basically since the top on September 19th.  I covered all my shorts today and I am now cash.  I am not going long because I believe we have entered a Bear market and the onus is the the Bulls to prove otherwise.

When the bounce fails and I expect it will, I am going to load up on the short side.  On this most recent down draft I did not use a lot of my precious capital. However, the next set up is when, as a bear, you should really strike because then we will have structural confirmation of the Bear market.  If we should go to a new high I am likely wrong but I will have protected myself by being in cash and not short.  I may also take targeted action on stock puts into earnings if I see a pattern of deteriorating fundamentals in the overall market.  I think we have already begun to see that pattern emerge with some of the reports I have seen lately (NFLX and MCHP come to mind).

I have been stalking this Bear since January when I went to all cash.  I took a stab in April and failed.  Now I find myself comfortably in the green for the year.  I believe the Bear is here and I intend to ride it.  I will become a Bull someday.  Just not anytime soon.  As I write this it is 3:00 AM EST and the futures are up.  Lets see if it holds.

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76 comments

  1. ironbird

    With the election coming up a relief rally makes sense. Sloppy one filled with earnings blow ups that frustrates everyone. Imagine a extra 100 cases of Ebola could cause the next leg down or the greenback shooting the moon again.

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  2. Superpositron

    Talking of bounce. Is oil going to the 60’s? I got long around 80 and am starting to wet my bed.

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  3. operator1

    Only one more DNA marker left and this failed bounce will seal the deal. I’m all in short on a failure then wake me up in January 2016 so I can cash in.

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  4. mr.partridge

    Blue,
    I have canceled all bounces.
    It’s a bear market you know.
    No target just solid down trend… liquidation to come shortly, I expect many funds to blow up his week and next, some good size funds.
    Mr.P

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  5. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Mr. P,

    You know we need a bounce. Today should be very interesting.

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  6. mr.partridge

    Yes i have traded yesterday bounce.. hopefully today too,, Good luck blue.

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  7. boyaj

    BlueStar, I was wondering if you had any recommended reading for someone who wants to learn about the bond market and how it can help interpret signals and trends for the equity market? I know you said you were involved in fixed income at one point, so I’m all ears to your advice. Thanks for the help.

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  8. bushwacker

    Excellent post. My thesis is that the next sustained SPX rally will set up the right shoulder of a H-S pattern. The Russell already has formed a H-S with double heads. We ten experience declines into 2015. So we seem to agree on that.

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  9. gorby

    I can’t understand why were not getting
    any credit for an improving U.S economy.
    Is the rest of the world just overwelming us.

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  10. Ann

    Bluestar, if we do bounce do you have an S&P level targeted that if breached would indicate that the bull is not yet over?

    Also, enjoyed your interviews with Tim Woods at cyclesman.com.

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  11. TJWP

    You are killing it with your calls. Will be loading up on shorts into the bounce as well.

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  12. mr.partridge

    This markets need balls to trade both ways.. and don’t forget the brains… amazing tape.

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  13. Ann

    mr.partridge, well, I’m out of luck on the first part. Jury is still out on the second part.

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  14. mr.partridge

    GO LONG NOW!

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  15. juice

    bluestar has the ball! nice call both ways 🙂

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  16. Trading_Nymph

    Mr. P, Why go long? China is moving into a massive liquidity crisis of speculation money. Even talk of China Govt in stopping Corp Bonds being issued out of State Owned companies. Russia sanctions are forcing cheap sales of oil to china. Nothing Pretty. And Copper, lol, no demand.

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  17. mr.partridge

    GN haha it is called trading 🙂
    amazing day.. why cause it makes me $$$
    Back to cash of course

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  18. browneye33

    The move in bonds has been ridiculous .

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  19. bushwacker2

    Shorting the next bounce is too obvious. I think Mr. Market might have a few tricks up his sleeve for you bears that are going into hock to short the next rally.

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  20. bushwacker2

    By definition, you can’t make uncommon gains by doing what everyone else is doing…which right now is selling.

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  21. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    boyaj,

    No book comes to mind. you can look at high yield spreads or absolute yields on treasuries. when high yield widens it usually is a warning for stocks. Strong bond prices are a sign of inflation worries.

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  22. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    bushwaker,
    thanks

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  23. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    gorby,

    our economy is not that good and bonds, high yield and now stocks are telling you that the economy is getting worse.

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  24. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Ann,

    If the internals improve and we go to a new high I am wrong. if the internals still stink and we go to a nominal new high I believe that we will roll.

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  25. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    bushwaker2,

    if you short too early I agree. if we get a failed rally then we are going much lower. I wait until I see the whites of their eyes.

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  26. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    bushwacker2,

    I disagree. there are not that many shorts in the market. they have died over the years. People have taken years to build up their positions to be levered long. It will take some more time to unwind. We have a lot more pain to inflict on this market.

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  27. Trading_Nymph

    Mr. P, You get all the fun. I really want to master Macro.

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  28. bruce keller

    I might just start trading using this, lol.

    http://www.naaim.org/newsresources/naaim-exposure-index/

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  29. mr.partridge

    TN, I just want to make $$ … be reasonable in what you wish and you will get it 🙂 GL

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  30. boyaj

    Appreciate the response BlueStar. You should look into writing one then, so many “DIY” equity books but no good fixed income. If you do pursue, dibs on being your agent.

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  31. Trading_Nymph

    Mr. P, The only source I could really find for this rally is SPX catching that 55MA at your 1818ish level. Nothing really has changed, if that is the only reason, shouldn’t that fade soon? BTW totally perfect great call of yours yesterday. 🙂

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  32. Trading_Nymph

    and IMHO that Russian Gas Deal was such a weak deal. Putin won’t stand by it. Not really a good reason at all for buying.

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  33. Trading_Nymph

    Or Mr P were you looking at the increase of Margin to short Oil that CME announced yesterday?

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  34. bill

    Blue,

    If you have to play amazon through put spread how would you play it. thank Bill

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  35. Trading_Nymph

    I know Mr P, you are just following movement and I am over thinking it. :-). BTW China Govt rumor of money to banks still won’t trickle to shadow bank speculator loans. PBOC is really getting tight on having proper security for loans fwiw.

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  36. Trading_Nymph

    Blue, what did both you and Mr. P see for the bounce coming?

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  37. Mr.Partridge

    Oversold bounces are part of bottoming.. nothing more or less.. it is over now.

    Market is in correction mode, RUT leads…TZA closed in green… back to trend soon enough ..

    I need 1818.. firm rest there.. just a guess on my part as always can wrong.

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  38. Mr.Partridge

    Go see Blue 1929 chart .. bounce? yes bounce.. they do bounce many times before fail.. I need reasonable valuations,and stupid stocks like social media trade where they belong…

    Have a good weekend all.

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  39. gorby

    Bluestar:

    Thanks for your response.My whole
    portfolio is based on an improving U.S
    economy.The google miss was a big
    surprise to me.I need to be more
    diligent.

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  40. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    TN,

    A few days. Sometime next week.

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  41. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Bill,

    I am going to buy a 1 week yolo lotto ticket. Why? Because this quarter is going to e a shit show.

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  42. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Gorby,

    Look at the chart of the DJTA. The transports have never been this stretched. Look at how the chart has fallen apart. Stocks are what is known as a leading indicator. By the time you find out the economy stinks we will be 20-50% lower.

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  43. gorby

    BlueStar:

    The DJTA is not in a good place for sure.Scary in fact.
    Do you think a outsized portion of the nervousness of the market is the
    anticipation of the end of QE .
    So when it does end and the markets
    pause (fingers crossed)do you see a big
    bounce

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  44. Trading_Nymph

    Blue and Mr. P..It will be nice to get back on the downtrend, bounces are rough.

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  45. jimmy_two_times

    Blue
    with oct y.e. closing in on the bankers any thoughts on a push higher to secure bonus?

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  46. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Gorby,

    Bounce in progress. When it fails and I am very sure it will. I will be shorting.

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  47. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Jimmy 2 times,

    Street can only manipulate for a short period of time like they did for Alibaba IPO. When the real selling begins they can’t stop it. If we go higher it won’t be because of the street. My crystal ball says lower.

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  48. helicopter ben

    “They” sure are trying to jawbone stocks higher everyday.

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  49. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Helicopter Ben,

    Yes can you smell the fear and desperation. The faithful central bank worshipers are about to lose their faith. New religion will be cash.

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  50. thomas

    PTJ at Robin Hood Conference is very bullish into year end. Says this is not like 87 at all. I disagree, but then again he is PTJ.

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  51. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Thomas,

    He is the man.

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  52. boyaj

    BlueStar,

    Seems like a good day to enter AMZN YOLO put. Or are you waiting till Thursday?

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  53. Trading_Nymph

    Thomas, He said that USA equities would be better then ROW, but he also compares us to Greece and said there is a massive credit bubble that he doesn’t know when will pop. He is so not a fan of the Fed. BTW, trivia, me an PTJ share the same birthday…as he said “The piper will be paid one day,” he told the crowd, saying the timing is unclear”.

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  54. mtpennybags

    I went short today, short GPRO TWTR KNDI PLUG YELP MBLY Long $UVXY jumped the gun a bit perhaps, should have waited for 193 like I had anticipated but playing for the swing. I’m with you no more QE, no more increasing money supply and we find ourselves in a bear market. Just need some more dip buyers to get the rug pulled on them. One more time ought to sufficiently flip them bearish. This rally was clearly central banker induced and these stocks are castles in the sky..

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  55. bensteinsmoney

    The OEW road map as of Tues 10/21:

    “Volatility continues. We are still counting the entire rally as Int. wave A of a Major wave B uptrend. The Int. A price targets we provided in the weekend update were either the 1929 pivot or the 1956 pivot. After that we expect a very sharp pullback for Int. wave B, followed by another sharp rally to end Major wave B. Short term support now rises to the 1929 and 1901 pivots, with resistance at the 1956 and 1973 pivot. Short term momentum is extremely overbought, with a very slight negative divergence.”

    Tony Caldero has been spot on calling the market thru this volatility.

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  56. bensteinsmoney

    Blue … you short or in cash?

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  57. Operator

    I started getting short today some November SPY puts.

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  58. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    boyaj,

    Tomorrow or Thursday.

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  59. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    bensteinmoney,

    cash….stalking…watching waiting…will buy a put on AMZN into earnings. Once we get swing high I buy put on indexes. How about you?

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  60. bensteinsmoney

    Blue,

    Believe it or not, when the correction started I was long UVXY Oct call options and they did quite well.

    Market waves have been too fast (3-5 days) now to play vix options (XIV/UVXY), so I too am holding out for the C wave before another bite of those UVXY calls.

    I like your AMZN put idea and have been watching VIPS as another put idea.

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  61. Bunk

    bluestar, hope the correction is seeing you well.

    What will be your sign of a failed swing high? Ie what are you looking for or what levels to get back on the short bus.

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  62. Trading_Nymph

    So Mr P, we kiss the 55MA daily on SPX around 1950, fail to take out resistance and we get back to our sell off?

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  63. Trading_Nymph

    I mean 1960ish

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  64. mr.partridge

    TN,
    we are going higher before going lower.
    thinking 1980.
    Still am long.

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  65. Billiejones

    Im following you into this one Blue,

    Bought the AMZN Jan 310 Put.

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  66. Trading_Nymph

    Thanks Mr P. With Commodities dropping so hard, I am still amazed everyone is buying this junk?

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  67. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    I am involved again on IWM put and a weekly AMZN put.

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  68. Mr.Partridge

    Plans changed.. terrorist attack in Canada.

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  69. juice

    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    YELP .. need I say more?

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  70. bchu12

    BlueStar: what’s your price target for YELP in lieu of today’s earnings drop?

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  71. gorby

    BlueStar:
    So far ,everything you touch is like
    Tiny Tim among the tulips-it’s just right..
    Me I’m hoping this is just a worry
    obout the end of QE.
    If I’m right I get to buy seriously discounted securities.If I’m wrong well-
    Cruise what Cruise.

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  72. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Bunk,

    I am short again. Lots of dry powder. IWM outside daY was enough for me. I think we could drift higher on other averages but this leads.

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  73. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    bchu12,

    over time much lower…back to IPO price

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  74. browneye33

    The move on bonds has to mean something last time I seen a chart blow off like that was when silver topped? strange to me that not many people are talking about it

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  75. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    browneye33,

    I think bonds are going higher. I could be wrong. That move was a panic buy due to what was going on in the stock market.

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  76. BlueStar: Contrarian Investor
    BlueStar: Contrarian Investor

    Gorby,

    Yes I am on a run. All runs end. Mine will too.

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